[HARDWARE] To be or not to be...
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Neon
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:04    Post subject: [HARDWARE] To be or not to be...
a consolefag Crying or Very sad

So I was wondering if I should finally buy a 360 or PS3. Obviously I don't want it for playing online or anything of the sorts, I just want to play the games which will not see the light of day on the PC.

Now bear in mind that I know absolutely NOTHING about hacking/j-tagging(whatever that is)/flashing. I know nothing, zero, null.

I think I'd lean more towards the PS3, but from what I've seen in the ps3 thread the hacking seems somewhat stagnant? PS3 has more exclusives that I'd like to play (mainly Infamous and Uncharted series.) Of course if you can't play burned games anymore I'd get a 360.

Now, is it even advisable to buy a 360/PS3 now or better wait for XBOX720/PS4? The first one is supposedly going to be announced next year.


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sabin1981
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:08    Post subject:
YES! Don't bother waiting for the PS4/Xbox3, they may be announced next year... but I guarantee they won't hit the shelves before 2013. Just pick up a cheap 360 or PS3 now, then grab some of the enormous back catalogue. As for hacking? Yes, it's stagnated at 3.55. Every game up until now (bar 2 or 3) can be played, but future titles are going to be tricky - if not impossible. As much as I love the PS3 exclusives, I'd recommend getting a 360 instead.

Far more supported, better quality multi-platform games, larger selection of titles. Just make sure you buy a Slim or at least a recent/new Jasper, so as to avoid any potential hardware gremlins. Honestly, getting both PS3 and 360 would be the "best of both worlds" but that way lies expense. 360's are dirt cheap these days, a brand new 250GB Xbox-Slim will cost around £160 and a preowned Jasper will be even cheaper. PS3s are a bit more touchy and I don't recommend buying a "new" one at the moment, not with how the scene has stalled, as you might unluckily get a device with 3.56 or 3.60 installed --- no hacks.


Just owning/playing a console won't turn you into a consolefag (just ask Leo ) as you don't have to sit and play PC titles on it, ruining the experience, instead you can just enjoy the games that we will - sadly - never see.
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KillerCrocker




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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:15    Post subject:
I was also making this decision 2 years ago an Ive got xbox 360 Elite 120gb.

There is much games not avaible on pc as Gears of war2, crackdown, dead rising, the darkness and much more.

You can always just connect x360 to Youc PC screenm So taht It will basicly feel like playing games on Your pc Cool Face but with controller. I am playing like that, becouse response times and sharpness of pc displays are much better than shitty hdtvs.

Xbox 360 might be tricky inhacking terms to as XGD3 security measures has bed deployed last week and those who installed it cant play all games and we are still waiting for a cracking method


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Neon
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:21    Post subject:
Well, I just saw an action on allegro.pl (Polish equivalent to eBay) and the guy's selling Jasper XBOX360 from 2009 with improved cooling. The console is already modified, and a 20gb hardrive is in there already. The price is 120 pounds.

Anyway, I don't know ANYTHING about hacking the consoles, mind linking any tutorials/uber newb guides?
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:22    Post subject:
£120 is a great buy for a pre-modded machine, especially a Jasper. You'll want to upgrade that HDD though... 20GB won't get you jack shit these days. Pick up a 120, or get a 320GB Scorpio Blue and flash it with the XboxS 320GB HDSS.BIN (again, I'm sure someone can find a tutorial for you)

I haven't hacked my 360 in a while, so all my old tutorials are outdated now, but I'm sure someone more clued-up can fill you in =)
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:24    Post subject:
I got my PS3 in January. My reasoning was close to yours - X360 seemed kinda useless, as most games I could play on it either are already on PC, or are available for PS3 also. Sony's machine just has so much more games that I could never get otherwise.

So far I'm pretty happy with it. The game library is quite huge. I don't think I'll run out of stuff to play any time soon and I'm quite sure the hacking scene will budge, sooner or later, as it always does. And some of the games are real gems. Heavy Rain, for example, just blew my mind. More a movie than a game, perhaps, but it's still an incredible experience.

Nothing bad in owning a console. Console gaming is a different kind of fun, but it's fun nonetheless. I've even bought some Moves to play stuff with friends and for an ocasional Fight: Lights out session Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:25    Post subject:
<3 Heavy Rain <3
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:26    Post subject:
Dont get ANYTHING with modded/"improved" cooling. This is all bullshit that ruins xbox 360.

You can safely get 360 fat on JASPER mobo (latest fat model - not red ringing at all)
Or one of 360S models - These are safe just as Japser if not more


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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:28    Post subject:
Improved cooling could just mean 12v fans and better thermal paste Wink
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:36    Post subject:
What's wrong with the 20 GB one? Do you have to install the games or something? I'm not going to store music or anything there, mostly saves?
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:41    Post subject:
If you're going to store saves only, 20gb IS well enough Wink But some games loads a little bit quicker when you use the Iinstall to HDD-feature, though it's never required.

If you have the money, get a 60 or 120gb drive, if you really don't, you will have no problems using the 20gb.


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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:42    Post subject:
Game installs, mostly (which you WILL use! DVD loading is slow and loud) plus if you're not banned you may end up buying XBL exclusive titles. Of course you may not Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:52    Post subject:
I wouldnt imagine playing without game installs now. I install everything I play on 360.

The disc DONT spin so it doesnt sound like jet all the time
not spinning disc generates less hot (i guess)
faster loading and less textures pop up

So I would suggest getting one with harddrive. 20gb is a bit too small. Tho every disc is around ~7gb so it fits bt its just uncomfortable.


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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:54    Post subject:
Actually game installs are pure-data, whereas disks are often padded. A 7.68GB "disk" will often install as something closer to 4-5GB, or so. Not every game is the same size, but you get the idea Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:57    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 10:58    Post subject:
Found this one:

http://allegro.pl/xbox-360-jasper-65nm-super-elite-250gb-i1663765913.html

Xbox 360 JASPER 65nm Elite 250GB

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Console was bought 24.03.2010 as the Arcade version , the disk was bought separately. It has HDMI output. The DVD drive is a Lite-On with the newest LT+1.1 installed. All games are working(even those with AP 2.5), dashboard 2.0.12625, console was not banned. Included:

-Xbox 360 Arcade Jasper 65nm
-250GB HDD
-150W power supply
-AV cable
-euro adaptor ring
-original packaging
-manual
-bill of sale


The price is 134 pounds, but I don't know if the LT+1.1 is really the newest as I'm a noob. Razz
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:00    Post subject:
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Neon
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:00    Post subject:
I don't understand what it means, so... Laughing Does that mean I won't be able to play burned games on it?
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:01    Post subject:
LT1.9 is out now, but LT+ is still fine. You'll have to get it reflashed once XGD3 games start coming out (and C4Eva releases LT2.0)
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:04    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:04    Post subject:
garus wrote:
sabin1981 wrote:
YES! Don't bother waiting for the PS4/Xbox3, they may be announced next year... but I guarantee they won't hit the shelves before 2013.

Not to mention it's gonna take a year before they crack DVD drives in them :/


Actually god only knows what format will new consoles use.
If it will be only bluray discs then.... We can all imagine downloading 50gb images and burning to expensive discs with expensive bluray burners....

And if its some new other format.... then guess for Yourselfs.

So in the easiest case - in 3 years we will be able do dwonload shitload of date and burn them to shitload $$$ discs with shitload $$$ burners Very Happy
Might as well get original games Razz


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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:31    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
Found this one:

http://allegro.pl/xbox-360-jasper-65nm-super-elite-250gb-i1663765913.html

Xbox 360 JASPER 65nm Elite 250GB

Quote:
Console was bought 24.03.2010 as the Arcade version , the disk was bought separately. It has HDMI output. The DVD drive is a Lite-On with the newest LT+1.1 installed. All games are working(even those with AP 2.5), dashboard 2.0.12625, console was not banned. Included:

-Xbox 360 Arcade Jasper 65nm
-250GB HDD
-150W power supply
-AV cable
-euro adaptor ring
-original packaging
-manual
-bill of sale


The price is 134 pounds, but I don't know if the LT+1.1 is really the newest as I'm a noob. Razz


Well, is this one any good?
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:34    Post subject:
Yes, definitely. If you just want a machine that works, is hacked out-of-the-box, then yes; get that. It's got everything you need to just start burning games and playing =) Later down the line I recommend getting a larger HDD (actually, probably better getting one soonish... less hassle transferring saves/downloads then) and you'll want to keep an eye on the hacking scene for the release of LT2.0

Secondly; don't go online. If XBL tells you there is an update; IGNORE IT. The current dash installed on there is fine, but once you update it will wipe LT+ and install stock firmware. Only go online (ie; update to latest dashboard) if you've got someone who can flash to LT1.9 for you.

Thirdly, and most CRITICALLY, ask the seller for the drive keys. Without them you're in for a real fucking hassle upgrading to the latest LT versions.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:36    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
Found this one:

http://allegro.pl/xbox-360-jasper-65nm-super-elite-250gb-i1663765913.html

Xbox 360 JASPER 65nm Elite 250GB

Quote:
Console was bought 24.03.2010 as the Arcade version , the disk was bought separately. It has HDMI output. The DVD drive is a Lite-On with the newest LT+1.1 installed. All games are working(even those with AP 2.5), dashboard 2.0.12625, console was not banned. Included:

-Xbox 360 Arcade Jasper 65nm
-250GB HDD
-150W power supply
-AV cable
-euro adaptor ring
-original packaging
-manual
-bill of sale


The price is 134 pounds, but I don't know if the LT+1.1 is really the newest as I'm a noob. Razz


If you buy this, make absolutely sure the guy can provide you with the DVD drive Key as well, or else you will need to cut open and resolder the drive when the new gdx3 games come out!
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:41    Post subject:
Is the DVD drive key some sort of a serial or something?
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:51    Post subject:
Neon wrote:
Is the DVD drive key some sort of a serial or something?


Its a special key/serial that is inside Your dvd adn motherboard firmware. It basicly links drive to motherboard of xbox360. Its unique on every xbox.

So when flashing You must COPY stock key from drive to the new flashed firmware, becouse its very hard to read the key out of motherboard


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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 11:55    Post subject:
Before LT, you could retrieve the key just by running the probe and JF/DOSFlash again... but, for reasons unknown to me, c4eva decided to pull a dick move and lock key retrieval once you've flashed to LT. Now if you have LT (any revision) installed, you can't dump the key with the probe -- you have to pull off some voodoo magic shit instead Laughing It's doable, but a pain. Any competent hacker can retrieve the key with relative ease, so don't sweat overmuch if your vendor no longer has the key -- just make sure you know someone who can perform the MRA hack if/when it comes time to update to LT2.0
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 12:01    Post subject:
sabin1981 wrote:
Before LT, you could retrieve the key just by running the probe and JF/DOSFlash again... but, for reasons unknown to me, c4eva decided to pull a dick move and lock key retrieval once you've flashed to LT.


I'm not 100% sure, but I think the key can't be extracted so that M$ can't detect you're running a hacked FW and ban you... that's why LT is a "stealth" fiwmare.
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PostPosted: Wed, 15th Jun 2011 12:01    Post subject:
Thank god I have my key saved on hdd Laughing It should work with 1.9 right? m$ ouldnt just change key with latest dash i think


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