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 Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 10:00 Post subject: Lost control of my Car tongiht |
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I have done this spot maybe 40 times or so. It was an onramp to the hwy and I wasn't going fast at all. The road was wet but still....
Suddenly my back end fishtailed out and I took my foot off the gas and stopped the car from crashing into the cement divider shoulder, and then it started toward the other shoulder and onto the grass about 4 feet onto the grass, then back to the shoulder, then onto the grass then I looked down and saw it was in Neutral??? put it into drive and the car straightened out again. Put my hazzards on (as if the people behind hadn't noticed) made sure everything was ok, breathed and continued on my way.
My passanger at some point hit the shift into neutral which was why I couldn't get control back.
Do you think she maybe hit it into neutral before or during the event. I think she may have hit it before because she was leaning, the road, the turn was banked and that was why I lost control.
I am not asking this to blame, I just want to know if it was me completely. It was wet but I was going slow. Too slow for this to have happened I think and there might be something wrong with one of my rear axils. I had work don't on them before a couple of years ago. There could be something really wrong and dangerous with my car.
Soo slam my driving skills away!!!
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W123
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 10:26 Post subject: |
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I have all seasons. I didn't do the penny test but they are about 4 yrs old? I looked at the tread but it was dark. I will check again in the morning.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 10:28 Post subject: |
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4 years old ? lol im guessing there must be wire hanging out of the rubber by now 
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 10:40 Post subject: |
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Yeah they'll be up for replacement. Suddenly going into neutral won't cause you to fishtail at low speeds; suddenly doing it the other way with a clutch half down would.
You okay though? Apart from being shaken up that is 
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 11:14 Post subject: |
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4 years old and how many miles/km? After a certain period of time, rubber is just no good anymore..especially if you bought crap tires in the first place.
Plus you dont know when those tires were actually manufactured (actually you should be able to find that information on the sidewall)
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 11:24 Post subject: |
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Putting it in neutral might actualy have saved you from getting into worse shit.
One of the most important things to do if you lose control over your car (especially rear wheel drive!!) is to press clutch or slam it in neutral.
That way theres nothing holding the wheels back, so they'll be free rolling, letting them get grip back easier.
Same goes for brake, do not brake hard in those situations, as that might make it worse too.
And most important, tires.
All season tires simply sucks.
Crappy at winter. Crappy at summer. Crappy at wet road. Crappy at dry road.
If they're 4 years old (and probably not much left of them), they're probably even crappier than crappy, making them crappiest.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 11:30 Post subject: |
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| Stealth88 wrote: | Putting it in neutral might actualy have saved you from getting into worse shit.
One of the most important things to do if you lose control over your car (especially rear wheel drive!!) is to press clutch or slam it in neutral.
That way theres nothing holding the wheels back, so they'll be free rolling, letting them get grip back easier.
Same goes for brake, do not brake hard in those situations, as that might make it worse too.
And most important, tires.
All season tires simply sucks.
Crappy at winter. Crappy at summer. Crappy at wet road. Crappy at dry road.
If they're 4 years old (and probably not much left of them), they're probably even crappier than crappy, making them crappiest. |
This!
4-year old all seasons.. lol.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 12:23 Post subject: |
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how to determine the age of a car tire
http://www.tirerack.com/tires/tiretech/techpage.jsp?techid=11
"Since 2000, the week and year the tire was produced has been provided by the last four digits of the Tire Identification Number with the 2 digits being used to identify the week immediately preceding the 2 digits used to identify the year."
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 14:24 Post subject: |
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All season tires are the best sellers because nobody wants to deal with replacing tires every season. As well, if you get a good brand and highly rated treads, all season will last a good 4 years. Rear-wheel drive? I thought they stop making those in the 1970's.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 23:06 Post subject: |
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All seasons work great here in the winter. It doesn't snow but it gets cold enough that summer tires get too hard and lose their grip. There are actually some decent all season tires but I agree that the majority of them are terrible, and designed to last as long as possible which usually means they're hard and grippy as rocks. But I'm happy with my Bridgestone Potenzas.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th May 2011 06:26 Post subject: |
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Well I have lots of tread left. Had someone else take the car out and really hard corner it. Seems to be fine. Other people were talking about the same spot as well. Must of been a oil patch. Never hit one of those before.
I am going to be slowing life down abit.
Thanks to all who replied.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th May 2011 07:28 Post subject: |
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learn to drive manual, it could save your life.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th May 2011 09:23 Post subject: |
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Glad all is good Jackie!
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| Posted: Mon, 9th May 2011 10:14 Post subject: |
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Have your shocks checked, just in case. If they aren't stiff as they should be, the car gets prone to swirling.
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| Posted: Mon, 9th May 2011 16:56 Post subject: |
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Not sure why people are saying going to neutral shouldn't matter...
It can definitely cause you do lose control while wheels are turning and you hit the clutch or go into neutral. Likely not on dry road, but on a wet road with older tires loss of traction can easily occur.
If you hold clutch during a turn during your drivers ed exam you will fail.
Not saying that this was the cause of you losing control, as the turn on the ramp probably wasn't a large one, but it's definitely not safe thing to do.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 00:27 Post subject: |
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If you would have crashed would you and your passenger have survived with a wrecked car or could the accident have been lethal? Sometimes the motives of jealous people are just to set you back. Think about it and don't immediately grow suspicion.
Oh and good you're still in one piece!
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 08:57 Post subject: |
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| iconized wrote: | If you would have crashed would you and your passenger have survived with a wrecked car or could the accident have been lethal? Sometimes the motives of jealous people are just to set you back. Think about it and don't immediately grow suspicion.
Oh and good you're still in one piece! |
I will never know. but yaaa........
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 12:26 Post subject: |
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What Bearish says isn't entirely accurate. Going into neutral or disengaging the clutch won't make you lose control. It's suddenly or partially engaging the clutch whilst accelerating that will do that, so it's switching back into gear that would've caused it. I downshift in a corner all the time, and I've never lost control or even had my car wobble.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 12:45 Post subject: |
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What clutch? She said she had automatic gearbox..
| Lutzifer wrote: | | and yes, mine is only average |
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 12:50 Post subject: |
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That's very bad practice werelds. Just because it hasn't happened yet it doesn't mean it wont. Downshift before the turn, only do it during if you didn't have a chance to do it before.
In most cases you wont slip but it definitely increases the risk of that happening.
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 13:25 Post subject: |
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| BearishSun wrote: | That's very bad practice werelds. Just because it hasn't happened yet it doesn't mean it wont. Downshift before the turn, only do it during if you didn't have a chance to do it before.
In most cases you wont slip but it definitely increases the risk of that happening. |
I don't do it in the middle of the corner, but when I'm just turning in (so basically while I'm still braking into the corner - can't risk much more than that, because I doubt my transmission will like it ). Just for the record though - there are 2 things that can go wrong:
1. You let the clutch engage too quick, whilst revs have dropped too much. Result: the car sort of stutters; depends on your car how badly, but that's what'll happen. If you don't have your hands on the wheel at that point, yeah, you will lose control but you suck at driving anyway 
2. You've still got your throttle down while the clutch is engaging. Result: wheelspin, most likely loss of control. This actually happened to the kid next door, crashed his car within a month after getting his license + the car, because he made this mistake while trying to be cool 
Heel/toe downshifting is what race drivers use to avoid both of these risks; double clutching is similar, although you don't rev up to get to the right RPM there. Of course, if you're not using your brake and THEN disengage the clutch, you'll crash, but again, you suck at driving if you do that.
And as far as the clutch thing for an automatic transmission goes: depends, to my knowledge a CVT (like in a Prius, awesome car  ) does use a clutch, but the ones most common in the US probably don't, no
Don't worry about it too much pistolshrimp, it wasn't the shifting into neutral (or vice versa) on its own that would've done anything, it was the combination of a slippery surface, maybe your tyres (I personally dislike all-seasons), whatever was going on with the brake/throttle AND the shifting. Lots of variables, and not one of them on its own will have been the culprit. Not your fault anyway
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 13:31 Post subject: |
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You can avoid rev spinning while switching gears in a corner by applying middle throttle while switching gears..
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| Posted: Tue, 10th May 2011 13:32 Post subject: |
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Engage clutch AFTER you've lost control, for instance on slippery surfaces. Panic-braking or throttling will just make things worse. However, in a turn, without having lost control, using the clutch isn't good since it means the driving wheels won't pull the car into the turn but instead roll with it, removing one limiting factor in the centrifugal dance.
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