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ixigia
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 Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 20:55 Post subject: Pro Evolution Soccer 2012 |
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Pro Evolution Soccer 2012
Official Site: http://www.konami.com/games/pes2012
Release Date: NA September 27, 2011, EU September 29, 2011
Platforms: PC, Wii, Nintendo 3DS, PlayStation 2, PlayStation 3, Xbox 360, PlayStation Portable
Developer: KONAMI
Publisher: KONAMI
Genre: Sports (Football)
Mode(s): Single-player, Multiplayer
Official Trailer
| Quote: | Konami says it's committed to a "long process" of rebuilding the Pro Evolution Soccer series, but it doesn't think there's a "huge gap" between its game and EA's.
Speaking to trade mag MCV, UK GM Pete Stone said the company's "gradually" catching up to the recent critical acclaim enjoyed by the FIFA series.
"I don't think there's a massive gap in terms of playability [between PES and FIFA]. There are certain areas we need to improve, but it's not a huge gap - and we're gradually closing it," he said.
"We may not outsell FIFA, but we can sell enough so that it's good from our point of view. Don't think of it as a battle where we're trying to 'win', or outsell them, because that's not necessarily the case.
"We've made progress and that's beginning to be noticed, but we're also going to spend a few years rebuilding PES and sales. It's a long process."
The first details on this year's FIFA emerged this week. We expect PES to show its hand before E3 in June. |
Another year, another PES. What will Seabass have in store for us? 
More informations will be available soon 
http://www.computerandvideogames.com/300440/news/pes-were-going-to-spend-a-few-years-rebuilding-says-konami/
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zipfero
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 21:01 Post subject: |
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playing a bit become a legend at the moment..man you rage over their constant running off the pitch
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 21:37 Post subject: |
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For me PES series went NFS. :/
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 23:28 Post subject: |
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haha I remember Seabass giving an interview to german 4players.de just before FIFA suddenly became really good. He said that it was impossible to mimic their gamestyle and that the only advantage EA had was the license 
Now EA has the better animations, better gameplay and the licenses graphically both are ~ equal, while EA still captures the TV atmosphere a little bit better 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 6th May 2011 23:35 Post subject: |
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Well I would point you to the amazing replay graphics (and the no LOD mods) to show much better graphics than PES.
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 01:32 Post subject: |
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Im not getting my hopes high , I've learned this last few years ... but I will always check it out , I spend my best gaming years on PES..it deserves to be tried , at least..
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 01:41 Post subject: |
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I expect a fixed PES 2011 as it wasn't a bad game. Hopefully 2013(if we are alive) we'll get a new and better engine.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 02:36 Post subject: |
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Fix the penalties, the stupid no foul tackles / no red card tackles while 1v1 with the goalie, the no foul late tackles, stick to the official football rules ( goalie can't use his hands to catch the ball when defender passes it to him  ) , fix the offside rules too...oh man..fix the ridiculous bicycle kicks outside the area after every corner kick...don't know where to stop
Didn't try FIFA more than 15 mins Valdes was even worse than in PES.
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 11:18 Post subject: |
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Complete overhaul is needed, if he admits there is a big gap between the two games maybe he'll start working for a change, time to step up.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 15:41 Post subject: |
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| ivan1real wrote: | | I expect a fixed PES 2011 as it wasn't a bad game. Hopefully 2013(if we are alive) we'll get a new and better engine. |
At this point I think they'll keep using this actual engine until the next generation of consoles is on the market. Even with some tweaks here and there, Pes will sell good anyway; though it depends on Konami's ambitions/resources and their benefit-cost ratio |
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 15:47 Post subject: |
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PES shooting and passing
Fifa motions
FIFA crowd
Fifa commentary
new menu
new goalkeepers
new lvl of graphics (ffs this shit should run on ps2)
==> good football game.
Or maybe it's just PES is made by japanese and fifa by canadiens... Europe, Africa and SA unite and make a bloody descent football game.
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 16:04 Post subject: |
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| Zyphea wrote: | PES shooting and passing
Fifa motions
FIFA crowd
Fifa commentary
new menu
new goalkeepers
new lvl of graphics (ffs this shit should run on ps2)
==> good football game.
Or maybe it's just PES is made by japanese and fifa by canadiens... Europe, Africa and SA unite and make a bloody descent football game. |
+1
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 20:38 Post subject: |
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2k should make a football game. They changed the face of NBA and i think would do grate with football
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| Posted: Sat, 7th May 2011 21:25 Post subject: |
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| Princ3 wrote: | | 2k should make a football game. They changed the face of NBA and i think would do grate with football |
exactly what i am thinking .
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 18:37 Post subject: |
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| fable2 wrote: | | Princ3 wrote: | | 2k should make a football game. They changed the face of NBA and i think would do grate with football |
exactly what i am thinking . |
The potential is there, but they'd need to steal some experienced people from EA and Konami if they were to try and make a decent football game. I mean they have no experience in the game whatsoever, and FIFA as well as PES have been going on for god knows how many years.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 18:50 Post subject: |
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| Leftos wrote: | | fable2 wrote: | | Princ3 wrote: | | 2k should make a football game. They changed the face of NBA and i think would do grate with football |
exactly what i am thinking . |
and FIFA as well as PES have been going on for god knows how many years. |
and they still ain't perfect ......or even near
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 18:55 Post subject: |
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| fable2 wrote: | | Leftos wrote: | | fable2 wrote: |
exactly what i am thinking . |
and FIFA as well as PES have been going on for god knows how many years. |
and they still ain't perfect ......or even near |
The thing is that PES used to be so much better in the past ( Iss 2 evolution Ps2 for example ) but instead of keeping the good gameplay elements and just adding sth new, they keep breaking stuff.
This year was overall an improvement but they just don't / won't listen to the fans, I don't get it.
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| Posted: Sun, 8th May 2011 19:22 Post subject: |
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they rushed with the next-gen version, everything went downhill from there.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 14:21 Post subject: |
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 14:33 Post subject: |
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meh .. same story every year , looks and sounds good on paper and at the end they fail. I hope Im wrong , let's wait and see but this time I don't feel any hype and I don't have high hopes..
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ixigia
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 14:39 Post subject: |
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They've fixed/tweaked some flawed aspects, too bad that the horrid and unrealistic animation system is still there, ruining everything :/
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fraich3
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| Posted: Fri, 13th May 2011 15:49 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | PES 2012: Real Football Simulation
KONAMI details focus for forthcoming Pro Evolution Soccer simulation
Konami Digital Entertainment GmbH has outlined its ambitious plans and focus for PES 2012, which it will release in Autumn 2011 for PlayStation®3, Xbox 360® video game and entertainment system from Microsoft, Windows PC, Wii, PSP® (PlayStation®Portable) and PlayStation®2, and which again boasts exclusive use of the UEFA Champions LeagueTM & UEFA Europa LeagueTM licences.
“For me, the ultimate aim in the ongoing PES series is to match what people see when they go to a match or watch a big game on TV with what they experience on their console,” explains Shingo ‘Seabass’ Takatsuka, the Creative Producer of the Pro Evolution Soccer series. “As such, in consultation with football fans across the globe, we have been working non-stop to isolate and determine how to make our game marry in with how real football is played. This is key to PES 2012, and key to providing the ultimate football experience within a console title.”
To this end, PES 2012 continues KONAMI’s determination to work with fans of both the PES series and football in general, to create a truly realistic, immersive and utterly playable take on the modern game. Thus, the focus in PES 2012 is the instinctive way the game can be played and on teamwork in particular. Seabass and his Tokyo team have worked to recreate the very essence of top-level football, ensuring the new game’s AI engine has undergone a major overhaul and provide an experience akin to being part of a real team.
Attacking play is a cornerstone of PES 2012, and the new game benefits from a more open approach that allows users to dictate the pace of movement, with all-new AI elements incorporated so team mates make runs and offer support in one-on-one situations. Players make useful dummy runs to draw defenders, and this offers users greater options to move the ball around when they are being closed down. Thus, the team works together a more cohesive unit, reacting to the movements of the player with the ball, and working to force the opposing team into mistakes.
Zonal marking and positional defending are also massively enhanced; ensuring players are forced to work harder to split the opposition defence. Meanwhile a new cursor switching system has been implemented using the right analogue stick to switch to any player on the field. This allows users to pick a team mate anywhere on the pitch, thereby allowing players to react to threats faster, and to shut down attacks more quickly. Hold up play is being tweaked to give even greater control. AI defenders are able to hold a much tighter defensive line, position themselves better and track opponents more efficiently. The off-the-ball switching also extends to key set pieces, such as goal kicks, corners, free kicks and throw-ins, and allows users to target a specific player and send them on runs or to drag defenders out of position, and allows for quick breaks and space to be exploited more easily.
The physicality of top-level football is represented as PES 2012 extends the jostling system of its predecessor. Defenders rely on their strength and stature to force a player from the ball as strikers and play makers make use of unique attributes to beat their markers. Tighter, more accurate collisions see players tumbling dependent on how they are knocked off the ball. Crucially, control is not lost, allowing the stumbling player to be brought directly back under control.
The result is a game that, more than ever, truly represents the key attributes of the world’s greatest players, but without sacrificing balance and allowing single players to waltz undefended through a game. Coupled with heavily tweaked animation, more detailed lighting techniques, a wider variety of player styles, improved dead-ball situations, expanded tactics and a new customisable pass feature, means that PES 2012 truly captures the essence of top-flight football.
“Team work is what separates the world’s greatest teams from their peers, and is the hub of everything within PES 2012,” added Takatsuka. “PES 2012 focuses on the core elements of top-level football: attacking play, freedom of movement, the creation of space, and working together as a unit both up field and in defence. These elements combine to create a game that flows and ebbs like a real match, with individual shows of brilliance changing a game, and more control over every aspect of play within a wide-ranging yet instinctive control system. PES 2012 will turn the heads of fans everywhere.”
KONAMI will be detailing further key enhancements to PES 2012 in the coming months.
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Sounds good but still early to tell. Demo first.
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ixigia
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2011 16:47 Post subject: |
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Lol at sneijder maybe it's new collision animations also what's with the neck veins
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2011 16:48 Post subject: |
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Last time I checked, people had veins in their necks. Or has evolution removed them?
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Mon, 30th May 2011 16:51 Post subject: |
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Konami's impact engine.. with next gen yelling and screaming..
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