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UserFriendly7
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Jan 2005 17:54    Post subject: Poor quality of moderation and/or users?
Just a little observation that has started to "bug" me for a while.

It's been a while since I last visited Isonews and I seem to remember never wanting to visit it again, why?

Every post at isonews has became a flame topic, people seem to think it is clever to post "smart alec" comments about the most simple of topics.

I see this is becoming a reality at NFOrce.

-> Whats happened to the community here!?

It's become apparant that some users feel they are elite (aka "the dogs bollocks"), and should not enlighten users with simple input into topics.

Since being with NFOrce when it started it's not the road I would like to see the site go down.

Is this to do with the lack/quality of moderation?
-> I believe it could well do, a simple way to solve this is to jump on the topic and identify the users that start to flame and a quick edit of the post.

Most importantly it is to do with the users...
-> Many quality users have already disapeared and it would seem apparant it's due to the quality of content that is in the nforce vbb.
The flamers need to be identified and to be given a warning or be banned from the msg board.

Let's stop NFOrce going down the same road as isonews?

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Mutantius
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Jan 2005 18:28    Post subject:
I agree about Izonews... But I just can't see your concern, I might be naive but I haven't encountered so much flaming on the board to see it as a problem... Though I believe it is appearing more often and a explanation might be that more people gets to know what nforce and then come to the site as "newbs"... And they might not know how to control themselves...

But hey thats just me Razz

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dryan
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Jan 2005 18:33    Post subject:
Good post UF7. There isn't that much flaming but I've noticed a few regulars who flame with every post. I think it's to do with the type of audience that sites such as nforce and isonews attract. There isn't really much you can do about it without an extreme level of moderation.

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whoKnows
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Jan 2005 19:17    Post subject:
I haven't noticed much flaming recently but i am not visiting the world headlines, so i miss most of it i guess, and i rarly visit the game section anymore.
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Esel_Gesi
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PostPosted: Tue, 4th Jan 2005 19:20    Post subject:
dryan wrote:
I think it's to do with the type of audience that sites such as nforce and isonews attract.


I agree although there will always be immature people on every forum. i think NFOrce is great considering it's safe to ask a dumb question (unless it's a request Smile ) and still get worthwhile responses. Some forums just turn into 'who can make the funniest response' which may be fun for a while but it gets nothing done in the end. I dont think NFOrce is on a path to become a bad community and most people who are trouble makers usually get taken care of.
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005 13:33    Post subject:
I have noticed some flaming on the board but It's much worse in the irc channel. Another problem is users who are acting like drug addicts and typing things that don't make sense.
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Dirtpaw




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005 17:34    Post subject:
razor1394 wrote:
I have noticed some flaming on the board but It's much worse in the irc channel. Another problem is users who are acting like drug addicts and typing things that don't make sense.



totally agreed.

"I distinguish between maniacs and crazy people. A maniac will beat nine people to death with a steel dildo. A crazy person will beat nine people to death with a steel dildo, but he'll be wearing a bugs-bunny suit at the time." -George Carlin
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Venom^
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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005 19:57    Post subject:
so UserFriendly7....you are a mod now Confused
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fisk




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005 21:25    Post subject:
Ofcourse he is, this is all that's required for a position of that malevolence.

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uploader




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PostPosted: Wed, 5th Jan 2005 22:13    Post subject:
On the forum that I am an admin on we use a warning system (php hack)
And if any member starts flaming a normal member his or her warning level goes up 10%, if the member flames a admin or mod he or she gets banned Smile
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[mrt]
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 00:21    Post subject:
uploader, hmm thats a nice idea there. I'll put it on the TODO list.

fisk, UF7 has been around here before you even knew NFOrce existed so please restrain yourself if you have nothing valuable to say.

teey
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Spike_UK
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 09:24    Post subject:
I've heard of a similar hack. Karma levels or something. If a user makes a good post people can give them good karma and visa versa.
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 10:25    Post subject:
Mods, you need to stop people from shouting their sources not only those who request. You also need to move threads to proper forums. Those who are acting retarded should atleast be temp banned, if possible perm banned.
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whoKnows
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 11:22    Post subject:
well, i think moderating needs to be stricter. One good example was the thread there a user started to call someone "nigger", he got a warning but continued on flaming without any consequences. I won't mention any nicks or link to the thread but i am sure we all read it. And bt has become too much of a topic recently, this should stop completly.
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fisk




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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 14:16    Post subject:
[mrt] wrote:
uploader, hmm thats a nice idea there. I'll put it on the TODO list.

fisk, UF7 has been around here before you even knew NFOrce existed so please restrain yourself if you have nothing valuable to say.


I'm sorry [mrt], if he's been around so long, I of course was mistaken in my output.

I withdraw any derogatory remark and ask to be forgiven for this misdeed.

Sorry UF7 :/

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razor1394
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 14:53    Post subject:
whoKnows wrote:
well, i think moderating needs to be stricter. One good example was the thread there a user started to call someone "nigger", he got a warning but continued on flaming without any consequences. I won't mention any nicks or link to the thread but i am sure we all read it. And bt has become too much of a topic recently, this should stop completly.


Yes, all bt threads are very unneeded here. I think all posts that mention any sources at all should be removed and the creator should be warned.
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Nailbiter
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 15:16    Post subject:
just dont go too totalitarian now! its pretty ok as it is.

i remember when we had the cursing-filter. that was the worst. Sad
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Hitman02
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PostPosted: Thu, 6th Jan 2005 19:42    Post subject:
i agree, there r a lot of useless topic, whatever little stupid idea comes up to anyone will post it, ease up on wolrd news, on sexy colection and other worthless topics
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Dirtpaw




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 17:34    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
just dont go too totalitarian now! its pretty ok as it is.

i remember when we had the cursing-filter. that was the worst. Sad


wouldn't it be possible to filter the use of some words to specific users? say, users with less than 20 or so posts shouldn't be able to create a thread/reply cointaining words like "torrents" or maybe common sentences like "where is the torrents" ... mods should know sentences noobs commonly use when they request their crap?

dunno if it's even possible, just a thought.
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UserFriendly7
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 20:18    Post subject:
Dirtpaw wrote:
Nailbiter wrote:
just dont go too totalitarian now! its pretty ok as it is.

i remember when we had the cursing-filter. that was the worst. Sad


wouldn't it be possible to filter the use of some words to specific users? say, users with less than 20 or so posts shouldn't be able to create a thread/reply cointaining words like "torrents" or maybe common sentences like "where is the torrents" ... mods should know sentences noobs commonly use when they request their crap?

dunno if it's even possible, just a thought.


I like that idea.... I think there will always be someone getting through it tho... instead of typing "torrent" they would type "t0rr3nt"??

Interesting tho... mrt? Smile

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fisk




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 20:39    Post subject:
I know an even better one, people with less than 20 posts can not post, at all... Wink

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whoKnows
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 20:46    Post subject:
well that's a smart way for saying you want the user db to be closed Razz
But again the general topic of this forum will always attract ppl who are only looking for one thing, and who will never bother for rules and the only way to avoid these new members is in fact to close the userdb.

I have a better idea though, new members have to idle for one week in the chan first and take part in the conversations there (and klick on ever link), this way they'll get scared and run away Smile
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Avenger_




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 22:59    Post subject:
Another possibility would be to make users that have less than, lets say 10 posts or so, are not able to create a new thread, just post in existing ones.
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JeanPerrier




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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 23:20    Post subject:
why? its still a forum

if a member is bad he gets punished. if a member is good he doesn't get punished (only "accidentaly" accounts deleted Very Happy wink wink injurious lol)

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I like that idea.... I think there will always be someone getting through it tho... instead of typing "torrent" they would type "t0rr3nt"??


and they could also use a image with says that they request this and that
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razor1394
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 23:36    Post subject:
whoKnows wrote:
well that's a smart way for saying you want the user db to be closed Razz
But again the general topic of this forum will always attract ppl who are only looking for one thing, and who will never bother for rules and the only way to avoid these new members is in fact to close the userdb.

I have a better idea though, new members have to idle for one week in the chan first and take part in the conversations there (and klick on ever link), this way they'll get scared and run away Smile


That's just so evil, hehe. Poor newbs shouldn't reside in that flame hell. Just let them stay a while on the board without any post rights so they get the picture of what to and what not to do.
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MAD_MAX333
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PostPosted: Mon, 10th Jan 2005 23:54    Post subject:
man i just don't see how things are that bad, and i am tired of people jumping the bandwagon on calling worldnews a flame forum, its JUST not true... we have heated arguements and slight attacks on personalities , BUT i think most people who join the politic discussions are over 25 or so therefore we all take the swearing or mild flaming with an open mind and doesn't distract us from the real issues...

thanks
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UserFriendly7
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005 00:09    Post subject:
MAD_MAX333 wrote:
man i just don't see how things are that bad, and i am tired of people jumping the bandwagon on calling worldnews a flame forum, its JUST not true... we have heated arguements and slight attacks on personalities , BUT i think most people who join the politic discussions are over 25 or so therefore we all take the swearing or mild flaming with an open mind and doesn't distract us from the real issues...

thanks


I dont think there is really flaming in that forum, its just a heated debate.
Theres no problem there, im not sure where you get that impression from?

It's direct flaming to other users is the bit that drags the board's level down. A simple question can be asked and the next post includes a sarcastic comment... is there any need for that? Smile

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psychoace
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005 07:09    Post subject:
The only reason I see things getting by or "sliding" is because there is just to much to look at. If you go in pc games forum there are threads that are freakin massive and when big new games come out they are 3 pages deep in an hour. I am forced to skip these threads usually because weeding out the small posts becomes a huge choir that dosn't really accomplish much. The voting system referenced above sounds stupid. We have 1 already for voting on movies and that isn't going well. Letting the public judge someones post is just plain not good. Instead of someone flaming another because the first dude was wrong and the other guy proved him wrong the first action that person is going to do is vote him a lower level so the second guy has a better chance of getting booted or something. Remember we are dealing with kids in mind due to the anonymity when given such resources as a PC http://www.penny-arcade.com/view.php3?date=2004-03-19&res=l is my best example Smile
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005 13:41    Post subject:
Put a rating system on the mods, and let the people vote on them. Just for info sake.
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Jan 2005 18:42    Post subject:
No voting systems
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