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 Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:05 Post subject: Windows Experience Index score decrease |
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Weird thing happened. I changed my motherboard from an EVGA to an ASUS last week. And my Windows Experience Index scores decreased by 0.1 while Im still using the same components and at the same clock frequencies.
EVGA board:
CPU - 7.8
RAM - 7.8
GPU - 7.9
GPU - 7.9
HDD - 5.9
ASUS board:
CPU - 7.7
RAM - 7.7
GPU - 7.8
GPU - 7.8
HDD - 5.9
I had the CPU overclocked to 4.36Ghz with the EVGA board. I ran Windows Experience Index at the same speed with the ASUS board but I got lower scores. So I tried going past 4.36Ghz with the ASUS board to see if the score changes but even at 4.42Ghz, Im still getting the same score 7.7 for CPU and RAM and 7.8 for GPU
So I ran 3d mark vantage and got this score:
Is this what it should be like or is something being bottlenecked? This is driving me crazy. I should have benched with 3d mark all the time but I got lazy and started benching with Windows Experience Index 
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:21 Post subject: |
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WEI is completely worthless as a benchmark mate.
And yes, the ASUS board is slightly slower than the EVGA board by the looks of it - but you're not gonna notice that in games or anything else, except you actually load 1GB PSD's or edit 2 hour video clips - then you might notice a loss of a few seconds when loading/rendering. But other than that? No.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:32 Post subject: |
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Well the thing is the ASUS board cost me MORE than the EVGA board. I dont want something slower... This is ridiculous. Ive been reading many reviews on it since October and this board was supposed to be fast
wtff 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:35 Post subject: |
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I would throw everything in the trash and jump off a building, because the decrease of 0.1 in WEI is jut too much. I mean WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LIVE FOR NOW?!?! WHAAAT??
Seriously, go jump off a building pls -.-"
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 09:40 Post subject: |
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| dingo_d wrote: | I would throw everything in the trash and jump off a building, because the decrease of 0.1 in WEI is jut too much. I mean WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LIVE FOR NOW?!?! WHAAAT??
Seriously, go jump off a building pls -.-" |
It may not seem like a big deal to you but look at it this way; You pay money to get a better motherboard only to find out that its actually slower than the one you had previously
And a 0.1 drop in WEI is a huge deal to somebody who benchmarks with WEI lol
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:05 Post subject: |
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Which board did you have before mate? I'll see if I can find some proper comparison between the two 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:11 Post subject: |
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| timechange01 wrote: | | dingo_d wrote: | I would throw everything in the trash and jump off a building, because the decrease of 0.1 in WEI is jut too much. I mean WHAT DO YOU HAVE TO LIVE FOR NOW?!?! WHAAAT??
Seriously, go jump off a building pls -.-" |
It may not seem like a big deal to you but look at it this way; You pay money to get a better motherboard only to find out that its actually slower than the one you had previously
And a 0.1 drop in WEI is a huge deal to somebody who benchmarks with WEI lol |
That's called spending money on stupid things...
Do something useful rather than whining about that shit...
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:14 Post subject: |
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What did you upgrade to and from what?
EVGA and ASUS are both pretty well known but if it was from a high-end EVGA board to a mid-end ASUS one even if it's newer the overall specifications might mean it's a bit slower on stuff like bus speed and RAM transer or what it's call called, did you switch the type of board such as P58 from X58 or similar as well?
(Above is a Intel example.)
Overall it might be a bit slower in terms of numbers and what benchmarks provide but it's probably unnoticeable, still would be interesting to know what you upgraded to and from as to do a better comparison.
(Reviews don't usually mean much but gives a decent overview and first glance but user comments are often far more interesting as is potential flaws and problems, make sure to update the bios as well if you haven't.)
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 10:15 Post subject: |
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Holy fuck this is a troll thread. Nobody benchmarks with WEI, NOBODY IS THIS STUPID. ESPECIALLY PEOPLE WHO HAVE THE COMMON SENSE TIMECHANGE HAS SHOWN TO HAVE AT TIMES.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 11:49 Post subject: |
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 12:07 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 12:48 Post subject: |
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| garus wrote: | Watch and learn, spidey  |
no my fellow Garus , timechange01 is know to be stupid like that Soap laptop , PC Cooling with a Heater etc.. 
edit: and if someone asks this Topic is the continuation of the LULZ at http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=65490 |
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:00 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | What did you upgrade to and from what?
EVGA and ASUS are both pretty well known but if it was from a high-end EVGA board to a mid-end ASUS one even if it's newer the overall specifications might mean it's a bit slower on stuff like bus speed and RAM transer or what it's call called, did you switch the type of board such as P58 from X58 or similar as well?
(Above is a Intel example.)
Overall it might be a bit slower in terms of numbers and what benchmarks provide but it's probably unnoticeable, still would be interesting to know what you upgraded to and from as to do a better comparison.
(Reviews don't usually mean much but gives a decent overview and first glance but user comments are often far more interesting as is potential flaws and problems, make sure to update the bios as well if you haven't.) |
EVGA X58 FTW3 to ASUS Rampage III Extreme
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:07 Post subject: |
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The whole point of Rampage III Extreme is to give you more overclocking headroom, not be faster than other boards at the same settings. You don't swap your motherboard just to get 0.1% faster RAM-performance, you swap your motherboard to reach higher overclocks.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:16 Post subject: |
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Well I bought it mainly for overclocking but even at higher clock speeds, its still slower than the EVGA? 
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:18 Post subject: |
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Did you reinstall Windows after changing the board?
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:19 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: | | Did you reinstall Windows after changing the board? |
Yes I did a fresh new install of Win7 yesterday
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 15:33 Post subject: |
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It might be a driver issue, but like I said you can't use WEI as a reference point, it is too easily affected by loads of things. For example, I use LogMeIn, which installs a mirror graphics driver. WEI randomly picks either that or my actual videocard and well..that shows 
You have no other benchmarks available from your EVGA board?
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 19:18 Post subject: |
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| Werelds wrote: |
You have no other benchmarks available from your EVGA board? |
No but I still have the board sitting in my room. Only problem is its gonna take hours to put that board back in because I have to remove my entre water cooling loop..
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 20:43 Post subject: |
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That's a good motherboard, however it needs a up to date bios to function optimally and eliminate known issues, check ASUS website (And despite what the manual says and their website say do NOT update from Windows, it will kill the motherboard, update from within the Bios only, larger bios than average though but a cd isn't really problematic to use as a media and easy to manage.)
Also the motherboard is highly advanced (As I imagine is the EVGA board.) though the upgrade seems a bit superfluous as they're both high-end X58 boards though with careful tuning you can likely get a lot out of the Asus board as well.
They're pretty sensitive however so manually finding and testing the voltages, cpu steps, bus speeds and functionality is critical (And there's a lot to consider so be careful, really careful.) defaults are pretty conservative but stable though it can do much more.
I use a older computer that's getting a bit dated by now though still holds up rather well, considered amongst the most high end back by then, Asus Maximus X38 MB so I mostly speak from experience and of course it doesn't fully match the newer revisions and motherboard improvements and architectures which are even more advanced and sensitive though also have much greater potential for overclocking.
(Took a lot of testing as the 38 series have issues with RAM efficiency compared to the 45/48 series that came later and of course the 58 and now 68 series are better still.)
EDIT: Oh and install the latest Intel chipset driver (Infinst) and disc drivers (Rapid Storage technology drivers, earlier called Rapid Storage tech drivers and application accelerator.) for correct configuration from Windows.
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 20:47 Post subject: |
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Invest in new HDD..coz well that 5.9 does not belong there!
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| Posted: Fri, 28th Jan 2011 21:49 Post subject: |
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lol Timechange, enjoy your games and stop caring of that faulty and crappy Windows Experience Index! It was originally created just for the lulz
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2011 01:13 Post subject: |
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lmfao awesome !
timechange ftw !
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2011 22:13 Post subject: |
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Listen to Werelds, he knows what he's talking about.
Also for comedic relief.
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2011 22:21 Post subject: |
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| JBeckman wrote: | That's a good motherboard, however it needs a up to date bios to function optimally and eliminate known issues, check ASUS website (And despite what the manual says and their website say do NOT update from Windows, it will kill the motherboard, update from within the Bios only, larger bios than average though but a cd isn't really problematic to use as a media and easy to manage.)
Also the motherboard is highly advanced (As I imagine is the EVGA board.) though the upgrade seems a bit superfluous as they're both high-end X58 boards though with careful tuning you can likely get a lot out of the Asus board as well.
They're pretty sensitive however so manually finding and testing the voltages, cpu steps, bus speeds and functionality is critical (And there's a lot to consider so be careful, really careful.) defaults are pretty conservative but stable though it can do much more.
I use a older computer that's getting a bit dated by now though still holds up rather well, considered amongst the most high end back by then, Asus Maximus X38 MB so I mostly speak from experience and of course it doesn't fully match the newer revisions and motherboard improvements and architectures which are even more advanced and sensitive though also have much greater potential for overclocking.
(Took a lot of testing as the 38 series have issues with RAM efficiency compared to the 45/48 series that came later and of course the 58 and now 68 series are better still.)
EDIT: Oh and install the latest Intel chipset driver (Infinst) and disc drivers (Rapid Storage technology drivers, earlier called Rapid Storage tech drivers and application accelerator.) for correct configuration from Windows. |
I updated BIOS to latest, installed a fresh copy of Win7 Ultimate with latest chipset, audio, and GPU drivers.
So heres the deal. I purchased the ASUS R3E board from Newegg but it turns out they sent me an open box item (by error). There were literally fingerprints on the board when I received it and also the serial number on the motherboard doesn't match the one on the box (I found out about the serial mismatch yesterday.)
So I can either return the board and take a full refund and order another ASUS Rampage III Extreme or I can just stick to my EVGA FTW3. The main problem I had with the FTW3 was that the NB reached ridiculously high temps, almost turning my case into an oven. The ASUS board was much cooler.
And also after 4.5Ghz, the EVGA board becomes very unstable. I thought maybe with the ASUS I could get a more stable overclock with lower voltages but still 4.5Ghz is freakin hard to reach unless I use suicide voltages which I dont ever wanna do
Maybe Il just take the refund money and invest in a waterblock for the EVGA board.
Before I take out the water cooling today, Im gonna run some 3d mark vantage benchmarks in the next few hours and record everything and then run the same ones at the same speed with the EVGA. That should give a better comparison
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| Posted: Sat, 29th Jan 2011 22:55 Post subject: |
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I am not all too good at the technical aspects but what you say is true, had a similar experience though the board itself hadn't been tampered with but I've had my first of the Maximus boards sent with damaged outer packing as well and it turned out several of the CPU pins were bent, took time to get a replacement due to how difficult those motherboards were to acquire at first (Especially in smaller countries like this.)
If you have a older revision or the shipment has been tampered with I'd definitively recommend you contact the retailer company for replacement or returning it or what the full term was again, full refund might be a good deal if a swap can't be done but some stores can be unreasonable or difficult to argue with.
(Asus customer support itself is highly problematic but you probably don't need to go that far.)
And as you do mention the cooling and components used makes a large difference, soutbridge and northbridge do get hot and are usually cooled passively sometimes by very small aluminium heatsinks which don't allow much room for overclocking (My own board uses full copper though it does get hot without decent fan support or good quality H2O cooling as many reviews pointed out.) airflow can also be difficult to manage even if you use water based cooling without replacing the basic parts with better equivilents.
That's pretty much standard though, much as I hate it somehow it seems very common to skip on certain parts despite their importance, power or voltage regulators for example or the cooling performance both of which are very important for stable overclocking performance.
(My own board as I mentioned above has problems with RAM performance, especially if all slots are filled due to x38 architecture design problems though I don't know all the actual specific details about it.)
What you are attempting is also a above average overclock (4Ghz alone is often difficult.) so a fully tested and stable system will be difficult to pull off though I am not saying it's impossible but there are many factors to managing those speeds as you very likely already know.
By the sounds of it you know this better than I do though, I'm rather amateurish with overclocking though I have gotten decent results from this setup considering the drawbacks and issues it has.
Some pointers would be to check power output and be vary of fluctuations, load calibration tends to help though the Asus boards have a lot of options so fine tuning is certainly possible and a bit easier but each part of the bios and components it relies on have to be working together to reach such a high score so any flaw or weak point can cause a system crash or a highly unstable OS in general.
(In all due respect Windows tends to be very sensitive as well plus it's a bit random and often hard to troubleshoot effectively depending on if it's a program, movie, game or such that causes issues.)
Perhaps a bit much text but I didn't really know what to say so I tried to cover most things, by the sounds of it though you sound pretty experienced so I'm sure you'll succeed but be careful to not damage the equipment, overclocking is supported but won't cover the warranty or anything as you also likely know.
(Feeling of satisfaction from succeeding is something else though but there's a lot of work involved since you are going a bit above the norm or what to call it, good luck anyhow.)
EDIT: Stuff like hyperthreading and speed step CPU clock adjustments can be tricky as well if it decides to push the system even higher or re-adjust clock speeds and voltages automatically, turbo mode or what it's called also plays a part in this.
(The I series overclocks well though even for "cheaper" models which is a very nice bargain and for all I've said the Asus boards as far as I've noticed at least are somewhat easy to overclock as they cover so many options and possibilities plus many advanced features for real enthusiasts.)
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