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chiv
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 Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 20:54 Post subject: quick question re: win7 and going 64bit |
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so im finally taking the plunge and upgrading xp to win 7
should i take this time to switch to 64bit? im running 2gb ram at the moment if that matters...
so should i go 64bit or stick with 32?
ADDITIONALLY, is there anything is should know about running programs/games on 64bit if i make the switch? or will i not run into any problems, especially running games (new and old)
thnx.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:02 Post subject: |
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I've not had any issues running any games on x64, but unless you plan on upgrading to above 4G ram i'm not too sure it would be worth it.
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chiv
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:07 Post subject: |
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yeah thats pretty much what ive been reading...
my thoughts were that if i do upgrade then ill allready be good to go without needing to reinstall the OS... so my next question is, will i be WORSE off running 64 in the mean time with only that 2gb?
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:11 Post subject: |
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I believe the listed "requirements" for win 7 x64 is 2G, so you may indeed notice a performance dip without the extra memory in there, No way i could be sure though
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:14 Post subject: |
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k, thanks.
if anyone does know for sure, please let me know
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:18 Post subject: |
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I have 2 gig in my Win 7 x64 machine and a quad @ 3Ghz and it feels good  The only problem I had with games was with GTA 4... and everybody knows that that game doesn't run good on any machine!
I have much more problems because of my 8800GTS memory (just 320mb :'()
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:45 Post subject: |
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Have been running windows 7 since its GA release back in October '09 and haven't had a single compatibility issue with games and applications. Well, you could bump into trouble trying to run some legacy 16-bit software but you shouldn't worry too much about that cause there's always an easy workaround for these matters.
As of the 64bit dilemma - I've installed the 64bit version of 7 only because I have 4GB of RAM and am planning on upgrading to 8GB soon and above. Of course, there's always some piece of software out there that takes any advantage while being run on a 64bit machine. WinRAR is such an example. But the majority of programs is 32bit and is hardly more efficient on 64bit than 32bit.
In the end, install 7 64bit only if you're thinking about putting more RAM into your machine.
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| Posted: Fri, 24th Dec 2010 21:55 Post subject: |
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Some applications (like x264) benefit from larger CPU registers and gain some speed in 64bit mode.
For games this doesn't matter though and you have VERY little RAM in your machine. Considering that the 64bit version of Windows uses more RAM (basically all applications require more RAM in 64bit, they need twice as much space for each memory address) than the 32bit one I'd advise you to stick to 32bit.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 00:34 Post subject: |
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Jesus.. what took you so long to upgrade? Win7 is so much faster than WinXP :S
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 00:36 Post subject: |
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I'd imagine alot of people are still fairly scared after the Vista fiasco, can't blame'm, i only realized the elegance that is Win 7 when i put it on a spare computer during beta.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 00:56 Post subject: |
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No reason to go 64bit with 2GB ram.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 01:02 Post subject: |
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no reason not to upgrade to at least 4gb, unless u don't do any serious gaming
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 01:07 Post subject: |
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I'm running W7 x64 on a PC with 2 GB of RAM and I've never encountered any problem, just make sure to keep few programs active in the background 
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 01:10 Post subject: |
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| Spazmotic wrote: | | I believe the listed "requirements" for win 7 x64 is 2G, so you may indeed notice a performance dip without the extra memory in there, No way i could be sure though |
Actually, its not all like that. Cos Win7 runs excellent with as little as 256mb.
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 01:14 Post subject: |
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Ahh, I was just running off some quick google searchs I did, could very easilly be way off. I'd imagine if you turn off Aero and bunch of stuff you could get the RAM requirements down a good ways.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 01:15 Post subject: |
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use a flash drive for readyboost. it helps if you dont have alot of ram. I did it on my shitty old laptop with 2.5 gigs and it made a noticeable difference. This was using the 32 bit version of windows 7 not the 64bit but it did help.....
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 09:37 Post subject: |
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Well ofc upgrade to win7, you'll get those 2 extra rams (they're dirty cheap even here)
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 10:43 Post subject: |
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ok final final question. i know fuck all about ram, whats good and what not... im running an evga 680i mobo, so im limited to ddr2 memory...
CORSAIR CM2X2048-6400C5 2GB DDR2-800 XMS2 CL5
that should do me fine, right? grab 2 of those for 4gb?
ok and final FINAL question:
at the moment i have:
Corsair TWIN2X2048-8500C5D XMS2 which gives me 2gb...
now the final final question is can i lump those together for 6gb total, or does it matter that one is 8500 and one is 6400?
like i said, i know fuck all about ram, really...
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 10:54 Post subject: |
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It's not recommended to mix different kind of ram, by putting faster (8500) you'll basically limit it, because the whole lot will work @ 800Mhz (8500 is 1066Mhz). But they both are from corsair...
The question is: does your mobo allow 1066Mhz memory?
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 11:07 Post subject: |
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i'd wait for someone a bit more hardware experienced to take this as oath, but believe the models need to match up for them to go all captain planet and combine their powers.
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 11:10 Post subject: |
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well i said at the moment i have the 8500 in it, so yeah it does... problem is im having trouble finding more of those sticks... all im seeing is the 6400's - and the TWO listings i see for 8500s, are way overpriced.
so should i just take out the 8500s and buy the 6400s and just use those? its either that, or just say fuck it, install 32b version, and then mid/late next year, upgrade my hardware...
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 11:43 Post subject: |
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ddr2 really doesn't care if u mix, ddr3 is different however, slight voltage difference can make your system unbootable or unstable in combination with i5 and i7
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 12:16 Post subject: |
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sigh... or i could just say fuck it, and buy an xbox 
nah but thanks for the feedback.. i think im just gonna go 32 to keep things simple, then if i go ahead and do a hardware upgrade, just reinstall it @ 64bit
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 13:31 Post subject: |
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reinstalling isn't such a big deal, just back up your docs, files and save games and it's matter of 15 minutes
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 15:52 Post subject: |
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| Ankh wrote: | | Spazmotic wrote: | | I believe the listed "requirements" for win 7 x64 is 2G, so you may indeed notice a performance dip without the extra memory in there, No way i could be sure though |
Actually, its not all like that. Cos Win7 runs excellent with as little as 256mb. |
I believe x64 version eats up more ram unnecessarily.
<4gb = go x86
>= 4gb = go x64
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 16:22 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | sigh... or i could just say fuck it, and buy an xbox |
In your case I'd say go for the PS3  |
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| Posted: Sat, 25th Dec 2010 17:23 Post subject: |
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Mort could lend you his beloved GT5
j/k 
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 18:29 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | k, thanks.
if anyone does know for sure, please let me know |
There's no reason to go 32-bit instead of 64-bit, quite the opposite in fact. And you won't need to switch from 32-bit to 64-bit when you add another 2GB of RAM etc... I have, to this date, never come upon a single game or app that didn't work under x64t at least as well as under x86. You'll gain some minor advantages as well (extra 64-bit registers, twice the size of buses etc. that some compilers use (no idea if WoW64 takes advantage of that)).
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| Posted: Sun, 26th Dec 2010 18:31 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | Ankh wrote: | | Spazmotic wrote: | | I believe the listed "requirements" for win 7 x64 is 2G, so you may indeed notice a performance dip without the extra memory in there, No way i could be sure though |
Actually, its not all like that. Cos Win7 runs excellent with as little as 256mb. |
I believe x64 version eats up more ram unnecessarily.
<4gb = go x86
>= 4gb = go x64 |
Got any factual info on that? I doubt the difference will be noticeable even though 64-bit code use wider units.
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