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LuckyStrike
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 Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:07 Post subject: Question: 2 gigs gfx card on a 32 bit 4 gigs sys ? |
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Frant
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:09 Post subject: |
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Don't see a point with a 2GB gfx-card if you're running XP 32bit with effectively 3GB RAM. It's like putting a sport manifold and exhaust with a massively oversized exhaust pipe on a Skoda Felicia.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:15 Post subject: |
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Time to move on from 32-bit. Light shed. 
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:21 Post subject: |
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xp? u should be shot for blasphemy, srsly with that hw running xp is like killing kitties with stones
it takes 10 mins to install 7, now thats new lazy
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:23 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:33 Post subject: |
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Most important questions have not been asked. Do you use high resolutions while gaming and do you enable AA/AF and whatnot? What's the price difference between the two versions?
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 02:44 Post subject: |
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That sounds just absurd to me.
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 03:36 Post subject: |
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No its not. But i wasnt fully aware of the video mem mirroring, wich means that a lot of reviews at Dx 9.0 time in XP with SLI cards and 3 or 4 gigs mem systems, would sttuter like hell?..:
| Quote: | If you had 4GB of system ram and a 1GB video card under a 32 bit operating system, each individual program could only use 3GB of that system ram (due to the video card using 1GB of address space) However there is something else most people are NOT aware of.
Under DirectX 9.0C (and lower) video card ram must be duplicated into system ram. That means if you're running on the highest settings with your new shiny 1GB video card - that 1GB of video memory must be duplicated leaving you with only 2GB left for your game.
You just went from 4GB to 2GB, only considering a single 1GB video card. Things only get worse in SLI and crossfire.
Under 64 bit you wouldnt have lost that initial 1GB of ram to the address space, so you'd have 3GB of usable ram, with 1GB used in DX9.0C games. All of a sudden those modern games which border on 1.5-2GB of ram usage are playable, without your system running like a dog.
Side note: It should be noted that DX10/10.1 does not duplicate video memory into system ram. DX10 actually helps to alleviate this issue, if your system is powerful enough to run games in DX10. |
Mr. Mussels explains it quite well in here:
http://forums.techpowerup.com/showthread.php?t=91260
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 09:25 Post subject: |
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I wholeheartedly support Mortibus.
Frst of all, you have 4 GB of ram and you are not using it  #1.
Second if you're only play on 1680x1050 one card (I presume you have 460 already) is really enough. You'd need better PSU (600-750 W, unless you already have one) and the gain of few extra fps is imo not worth it. #2
And, you have dx11 card and enough ram to play games on very high, but you're not using it. If you so love XP, why not dual boot? #3
Seriously man...
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 12:59 Post subject: |
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Okay, first of all: people have said it already, you need to switch to Windows 7 x64. You can just upgrade your current XP installation, just make sure to get rid of any drivers you have installed right now. Win7 will have those baked in, or it'll grab them off the internet - only one you should really install yourself is for your videocard; chipset often isn't even needed anymore. The installation really does only take 10 minutes, we're not joking here. I completely formatted my HTPC a couple of weeks ago, 15 minutes later I was good to install software; I already installed the NVIDIA drivers at that point. Performance wise Win7 is often quicker than XP.
Now, as far as your "maybe in the future games will be more memory demanding" goes: not at your resolution. The only point and games where having a 2GB memory pool shows any improvement are FC2 at 2560 with 8xAA, and Dirt2 at the same resolution/AA. All this 2GB malarkey only applies to very high resolutions, 1080p doesn't even need that. The only other game which _can_ fill it is GTA4, but that engine is a crappy port.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 13:10 Post subject: |
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Just get the 2GB version if the pricing is the same and upgrade to a 64it system already.
edit:nvm, get the 1GB overclocked version. You'll gain more fps with an OC than with an extra 1Gig of VRAM at that res.
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 13:11 Post subject: |
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" you need to switch to Windows 7 x64. You can just upgrade your current XP installation"
FAIL.
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 14:21 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | " you need to switch to Windows 7 x64. You can just upgrade your current XP installation"
FAIL. |
Haha, it's true, you cannot upgrade from [any] 32-bit OS to 64-bit OS. A bit silly that MS didn't make an upgrader, but I guess it would cause more problems than it would solve.  |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 14:29 Post subject: |
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Ugh, wasn't thinking clearly, my bad. I blame my sore jaw, the fucking painkillers and the 4 hours sleep I got last night. Still, being on Win XP x86 with that system is such a waste, and it's so easy to install 7 :/
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 15:58 Post subject: |
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i was thinkin' of gettin like a 1TB HDD,do like 50-50 on it and put XP on a side for my video capturer (32bit only) and 7 HP x64 on another side...a game wont work on 7?,u got the XP side...i kno' it SUCKS to change from one OS to another for 1 thing..but i bet you wanna save some money also?..But soon or later u'll have to change...still stickin' on XP here...
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 16:15 Post subject: |
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| DV2 wrote: | | But soon or later u'll have to change...still stickin' on XP here... |
Nooo don't do it!!...AERO takes up 4MB of RAM!!...
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LuckyStrike
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 16:31 Post subject: |
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Thanks for all the replies.
Due to the mem mirroring issue on XP ill go with the 1 GB OC card. I got a 750 PSU, wich is more than enough (note that when i got it most ppl said "grab a 500 one, you dont need more"  ).
As for changing to win 7 x64, sure. Im all for it! I just need to mentalize myself to hunt and backup all savegames in docsnseetings, my docs, localsetts,appdata,gamedirs, etc. remember to reconfigure hacked xlive accounts, install all 64 bits drivers for all the hardware, flush mobo, reconfigure internet connections, and backup all terazillion important documents, import favorites, etc, etc. No big deal really, 15 minutes you say?
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Werelds
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 17:29 Post subject: |
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try installing "XIII" on 7,no matter 32/64 bits,and u'll see once you start installing it...i dare u ^^;...
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 17:54 Post subject: |
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That kind of happend to FAHRENHEIT too,wich has a way to solve it too.
But the weird thing is...PES2010 on XP lets u choose any screen resolution,while on 7 it's LIMITED and your screen resolution is NOT in the lists..in my case,1680x1050 wasnt there,but on XP yes.
That's some of the reasons...sorry for the offtopic.
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BLaM!
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| Posted: Fri, 20th Aug 2010 18:00 Post subject: |
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You can choose whatever resolution u want via kitserver...and custom settings.exe.
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), still using the last 32 bits build, XP SP3 and have 4 GB ram installed, and remembered something about the memory on the video card reserving that same amount of system ram..That means that i would be left with only 1GB ram for running apps?? 
..how much i missed....THAT.....
