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 Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:20 Post subject: About stealth mechanics done right. |
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Well, after playing Sniper: Ghost warrior and being disappointed by the unpolished stealth gameplay, I'm trying to remember other stealth games that did it right.
The only ones I can come with, are:
The Splinter Cell 1-4 (Not Conviction!)
The Thief series 1-3
Deus Ex 1 (Can't remember if DX2 was well designed as it was Imho somewhat boring)
So, can you guys recommend other stealth games that worked?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:22 Post subject: |
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I can only name the Thief series. Only those games gave me the satisfaction when playing stealth.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:26 Post subject: |
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:27 Post subject: |
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Hitman 1-4 
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:30 Post subject: |
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While the Hitman series were enjoyable, they weren't great in stealth because the AI was extremely forgiving and/or stupid.
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:31 Post subject: |
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Metal Gear Solid?
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:32 Post subject: |
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Well replaying Deus Ex right now and the stealth is not so well done. Well yes, it is nice to win a mission by not relying on force too much, but the guards were 5 steps away from you and wouldn't see you 
A game that did this right -> Commandos
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:32 Post subject: |
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PoP 3 had some great stealth and platforming...not a pure stealth game tho..
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:34 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:35 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:39 Post subject: |
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There hasn't been a first person game that does it really well yet to be honest. Even Splinter Cell is silly, because as long as you're in the shadows they don't spot you, even though you've got a fucking massive green-lit pair of goggles on your face 
Commandos does it pretty well, but that's not first person
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 14:45 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | There hasn't been a first person game that does it really well yet to be honest. Even Splinter Cell is silly, because as long as you're in the shadows they don't spot you, even though you've got a fucking massive green-lit pair of goggles on your face
Commandos does it pretty well, but that's not first person |
But I'm interested in Stealth games regardless of their perspective.
I know what mean about the SC games, but I still think they work well, because they have a stealth system that they player can count on.
Imho, the worst thing that can happen in stealth games aside from bugs, is when the system is unreliable, that is a game killer for me because, why would I spend hours on making the perfect stealth run just to be killed just before I'm gonna make my big hit.
So I can live with the SC shadows because they work every time and the green light on Sam Fisher's shoulder is only there to let the gamer know where he is positioned in total darkness.
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Funnily, I though the stealth in Batman Arkham Asylum was done better than Splinter Cell conviction, and that's saying a lot. 
But wait, there was stealth in Splinter Cell Double Agent PC/360 version? 
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 15:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 16:06 Post subject: |
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arma/flashpoint specop stealth missions are pretty good (though very hard)
penumbra games (though not 'stealth' in the way usually meant.. here you need to hide so you won't get eaten)
silent hunter 3? ;D
also, what was wrong with sc conviction's stealth?
i thought it was fairly consistent - apart from a few forced detections at a few points
and that 'darkness' is so visible to the player
man, we really need a new thief game
i hope they won't screw up it up this time
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 16:22 Post subject: |
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reading the comment people forgot about Manhunt , Siren and Tenchu
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 17:01 Post subject: |
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| shole wrote: | also, what was wrong with sc conviction's stealth?
i thought it was fairly consistent |
Yes, it was consistently nonexistent. |
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 17:06 Post subject: |
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One of my dreams would come true if Eidos manage to NOT fuck up DX3 & Thief4 (are they working on Thief4 or is it just rumors?)
"Sometimes when you do things right, people are not sure you've done anything at all." -- God (Futurama)
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I don't think there has been an official announcement for now.
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| maul_inc wrote: | | One of my dreams would come true if Eidos manage to NOT fuck up DX3 & Thief4 (are they working on Thief4 or is it just rumors?) |
Thief 4 hasn't been announced yet, but take a look here:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52842&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=thief&start=60
"I think the challenges lie in that they were very well recognised and appreciated before in the past, but they need to be taken to another level," D'Astous told VGHeaven. "We need to make these games very attractive and accessible to a wider audience without diluting the content." - Stephane D'Astous, Eidos Montreal-
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 17:19 Post subject: |
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| ixigia wrote: | | maul_inc wrote: | | One of my dreams would come true if Eidos manage to NOT fuck up DX3 & Thief4 (are they working on Thief4 or is it just rumors?) |
Thief 4 hasn't been announced yet, but take a look here:
http://www.nfohump.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=52842&postdays=0&postorder=asc&highlight=thief&start=60
"I think the challenges lie in that they were very well recognised and appreciated before in the past, but they need to be taken to another level," D'Astous told VGHeaven. "We need to make these games very attractive and accessible to a wider audience without diluting the content." - Stephane D'Astous, Eidos Montreal-
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 17:28 Post subject: |
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modded STALKER isnt bad as a stealth game and the same thing goes for Metro2033
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 18:18 Post subject: |
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So we can expect Mark & Arrow system that allows for 5 arrows to be shot simultaneously at heads of people?
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ixigia
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 18:21 Post subject: |
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Oh, fine Too bad that we haven't seen anything concrete since then 
Anyway, I hope that at least Eidos will read the millions of useful suggestions in the official boards..
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| Posted: Sat, 3rd Jul 2010 18:26 Post subject: |
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| Hierofan wrote: | | modded STALKER isnt bad as a stealth game and the same thing goes for Metro2033 |
Your right about Stalker (Really nice with the Complete2009 mod).
I haven't tried Metro yet, is that really a stealth game? I expected it to be a classic shooter with some horror elements.
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) but the Thief series definitely grabs me every time. Exceptionally stealthy as direct combat generally results in extreme death, and so satisfying to skulk around in the darkness, waiting for that one lone guard to walk away so I can drop him with a cudgel blow to the head 
