So I'd like to have a dedicated thread to this horrible disaster, to collect facts and opinions (AND NO FUCKING FLAMEWARS kthx) about what BP is doing wrong (and right), and how it all is evolving.
I, just like most of all other people, find no trust in BP, or Transocean.
A few videos that really makes me boil inside and solidifies my belief that greed (be it money or power) is the biggest threat to humanity and more dangerous than any weapon we can concieve.
Not in any special order:
The booming failure:
Blood of the earth - homemade "documentary" in seven parts. I haven't watched all of it yet, but most of it is pretty good material. The 1979 gulf spill likeness-report is just fascinating. Part two is the boominng-vid above, just censored with bleeps, so skip that part and watch the non-censored one above instead.
(seen a few more videos that I gotta find again so i can post them)
So far, this is what's bothering me the most:
- BP is lying about the ammount of oil spilled every day
- BP is lying about the oil dispersant they're using, saying that there are no better alternative, which there are.
- That no-one is mentioning the obvious failure with the booming, it's just ridiculous.
- That they are constantly saying that they are using the latest technology and doing EVERYTHING they can to contain this, when it's not fucking true.
- I also find it humorously convenient that Halliburton bought Boots & Coots on April 12th (one of the world's premier well control companies). Now Im not convinced that they had anything to with this, it's just a peculiar coincidence.
Anyway, make something useful out of this thread, please.
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What BP is doing wrong? Still exploiting ancient fossil fuels. They shouldn't be using that crap at all in the first place. I think things will only get worse from now on: war seems inevitable when the oil wells run dry.
Lopin18 wrote:
I think you played too much Fallout 3, Pedo Perk acquired.
BP is from England! What do you expect? Thats why the US revolted against them..Trash ccountry.. Always have been, always will. I hope BP goes bankrupt and never heard of again.
My fucking god them pics are awful.
I have reads how all this was planned, pore-planned you could say on 'conspiracy' sites.
But after reading them i say to myself.
What on fucking gods earth would someone do something as disastrous as this to the sea?
What would they gain from doing this?
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BP is from England! What do you expect? Thats why the US revolted against them..Trash ccountry.. Always have been, always will. I hope BP goes bankrupt and never heard of again.
Your just a dick m8.
Bp is an Brittish company by name only.
They are based in Germany.
Trash country?
I agree in parts , c'mon, where you from????
I could throw a tantrum or three because of all the shit the oil is causing... but I think the best way to stop this disaster is to simply fuck the oil and buy alternatives. Which is easier said than done of course.
I can afford to not have a car, so for me the easiest way to contribute is to not buy any gasoline.
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And I ain't got a plastic PC but an aluminum Mac, so that saves a bit of oil too . But I guess I shouldn't be having fun in a tragic discussion as this one.
Lopin18 wrote:
I think you played too much Fallout 3, Pedo Perk acquired.
also dont forget not to buy any food... or any products at all while your at it i guess...
face it... only way to stop dependence on oil is when we run out and are FORCED to find alternatives... time and again the human race has only been shown to be able to change when there is no other option... so i guess we all just have to suck it up, kids... shit wont change till it needs to... sit back and enjoy the ride.
oil is the backbone of the nation and not just in the obvious transport way. many base minerals & metals we use are economically viable to mine because of oil. the idea that purchasing alternative items in the consumer sphere is going to change much... is unrealistic, unfortunately.
BP puts containment dome on gushing oil geyser By Joel Achenbach
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, June 4, 2010
The well has been capped, more or less. BP engineers Thursday night guided a containment dome onto the hydrocarbon geyser shooting from the Gulf of Mexico oil well -- a desperate and iffy attempt to capture the leaking oil and funnel it to a ship on the surface.
It was not an elegant operation. Furious clouds of oil escaped the "top hat." Late in the evening, officials with BP and the federal government had not yet announced whether the dome would be any more successful than other efforts in recent weeks.
It was a day crammed with engineering drama. First, BP used robotic vehicles and a pair of giant shears to cut a damaged pipe a mile below the gulf's surface. The result simplified the whole arrangement at the sea floor: Instead of spewing from multiple leaks in a tangle of bent pipes, the oil and natural gas surged in a single plume from what looked like a deep-sea smokestack.
Then came the dome, lowered by cables, guided by robots, illuminated by lamps in a world without natural light, and carrying with it the hopes of countless engineers and pretty much the entire Gulf Coast.
Nothing has gone according to plan in the subsea environment as, on the surface, the oil has hit more than 100 miles of Louisiana shoreline. After brushing a barrier island in Alabama, it is poised to tar the white sand beaches of the Florida Panhandle. The area of the gulf closed to fishing is now larger than the state of Florida.
On Friday, President Obama will make his third trip to the region since the fatal April 20 explosion on the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig and the resulting blowout far below. Although far from the only crisis of his presidency, the oil spill has been uniquely frustrating for Obama, whose power does not include technological leverage at the bottom of the gulf.
Obama told CNN's Larry King on Thursday that he is "furious at this entire situation. . . . Somebody didn't think through the consequences of their actions."
Tony Hayward, BP's chief executive, acknowledged in an interview published Thursday in the Financial Times that BP wasn't prepared for a blowout of this magnitude. "What is undoubtedly true is that we did not have the tools you would want in your tool kit," he said.
The tool kits must be updated, said Rep. Edward J. Markey (D-Mass.), chairman of the House Energy and Commerce's energy and environment subcommittee: "From junk shots to top hats, this spill shows that BP and the oil industry paid more attention to drilling ultra-deep instead of creating ultra-safe technologies to prevent and respond to a crisis."
Also Thursday, the Center for Public Integrity, a nonprofit investigative news organization, published an account of Coast Guard logs that indicated the Coast Guard knew within 24 hours of the explosion that the rig's blowout preventer had failed and that the well could leak as much as 8,000 barrels a day. The center obtained the logs from Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.), who said in a statement, "These documents raise new questions about whether the White House was slow to respond to an incident that was quickly recognized by the Coast Guard as a potentially catastrophic threat to the environment."
Six weeks to the day after Deepwater Horizon sank, and five days after BP and the government gave up hope for killing the well with blasts of drilling mud, the top hat offered the best chance so far of capturing the leaking oil before it can pollute the gulf further.
The deep-sea plumbing job made for compelling viewing for anyone with an engineering bent, especially now that BP, once stingy with video, has gone to wall-to-wall, multiple-camera coverage, putting the live feed from 12 cameras on its Web site.
The video has shown an underwater ballet featuring a shipyard's worth of hardware, including robotic vehicles, giant shears, a diamond-edge saw, pipes, hoses, tethers, heavy weights and the infamous blowout preventer that did not prevent the blowout. The submarines and their metallic, pincer-grip arms are joysticked via mile-long cables by technicians at the surface, who take orders from engineers in BP's war room in Houston.
The deep-sea procedure is delicate and sometimes herky-jerky. The first attempt to cut the pipe, with the diamond-wire saw, failed when the saw became stuck for 12 hours, pinched by the pipe. "Anybody who's ever used a saw knows that once in a while it will bind up," Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander, noted Wednesday.
When the saw came free, it still couldn't cut through the riser because of the loose, rattling drill pipe that is threaded inside and wobbling around, preventing a firm cut, Allen said. So BP engineers resorted to giant shears Thursday morning.
The cut was highly irregular, but engineers went back with the circular saw, slicing off an attached box and smoothing the edges in preparation for the top hat. Allen said BP has at least five different caps with different configurations standing by for the containment maneuver.
The first attempt at containment several weeks ago went awry because the large dome lowered over the main leak in the pipe had no mechanism for limiting the amount of water mixing with the oil and gas. The very cold water and gas combined to form slushy methane hydrates that clogged the dome and made it buoyant, so that it wanted to float away from the leak.
That's why so much attention has been paid to the cutting of the riser pipe and the creation of a good fit for the new containment cap. The better the seal, the less likelihood that methane hydrates will foil the containment.
The government has estimated that the flow rate from the well could increase 20 percent with the bent pipe no longer partially constricting the oil and gas. Allen waved off suggestions that the federal government has lost faith in BP's trustworthiness. He said BP had given him whatever he had asked for.
"When I ask for action, it is taken," Allen said. "The fact of the matter is that we have to do this together."
The administration is keeping close tabs on expenses. The Coast Guard sent BP a bill Thursday for $69 million -- $69,090,958.57, to be exact -- giving it until July 1 to reimburse the government for military, National Guard and federal agency efforts to cope with the oil spill.
I wonder who will get the blame for all this then?
Obama keeps pointing his finger.
Maybe Cheney should seeing how he totally neglected the safety devices in the first place?
By allowing company's, for some mad reason, to not have to put safety equipment on the deep rigs.
That Bush administration has got to be the worst administration in government history.
Well I don't see how it can be Obamas fault? Sure, the teabaggers sure are dumb enough to actually believe so, but it ultimately is part Cheneys fault, and mostly BP's and Transoceans. And also, Halliburton is not without blame, since it was their cement fillings that failed.
Let's just hope that this new dome-solution actually works as intended...
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Basically this whole disaster shows what can happen if multinationals start ruling the world.
That is a Cyberpunk theme but very much a reality these days, governments function as a leverage for those corporations.
I could throw a tantrum or three because of all the shit the oil is causing... but I think the best way to stop this disaster is to simply fuck the oil and buy alternatives. Which is easier said than done of course.
I can afford to not have a car, so for me the easiest way to contribute is to not buy any gasoline.
also turn off all your lights, and your computer, as electricity is the next biggest consumer of petroleum.
and anything you have made of plastic, most your furniture, as its stuffing is oil based.
you cant say "i dont drive..so I dont demand oil..its not my fault" 99% of the things you use had oil involved..either in making it..powering things to make it.or contain it itself.
and again with the plastic PC..seriously...who owns a plastic case anymore? other than walmart shoppers.
have you forgot the old macs? they was nothing but a big plastic case with Easter colored clear tops
you got a Mac(like any computer), every part inside of it was made using oil..contains oil derivatives...
I need to start posting in every reply I make hinting about what type of computer I have also..to offset it
edit: just updated my sig to help you out..save you some time each post.
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a mac. lol, i didnt know that. all his comments null and void
how did you miss it? its in 80% of the posts he makes, along the iines that the creation of Apple and mac's is only outdone by the creation of the wheel and fire.
I'm starting to think its steve jobs trolling our forums
and back on topic:
no matter the outcome and who pays for it, or whos to blame..gas prices will rise.
hell a tanker truck gets stuck in traffic where I live, prices go up 10 cents.
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I could throw a tantrum or three because of all the shit the oil is causing... but I think the best way to stop this disaster is to simply fuck the oil and buy alternatives. Which is easier said than done of course.
I can afford to not have a car, so for me the easiest way to contribute is to not buy any gasoline.
also turn off all your lights, and your computer, as electricity is the next biggest consumer of petroleum.
and anything you have made of plastic, most your furniture, as its stuffing is oil based.
you cant say "i dont drive..so I dont demand oil..its not my fault" 99% of the things you use had oil involved..either in making it..powering things to make it.or contain it itself.
and again with the plastic PC..seriously...who owns a plastic case anymore? other than walmart shoppers.
have you forgot the old macs? they was nothing but a big plastic case with Easter colored clear tops
you got a Mac(like any computer), every part inside of it was made using oil..contains oil derivatives...
I need to start posting in every reply I make hinting about what type of computer I have also..to offset it
edit: just updated my sig to help you out..save you some time each post.
Actually I have energy from renewable sources (GreenChoice). Most people however opt for the cheapest energy available, which is almost never renewable.
I'm getting convinced people will want to burn all the oil anyway, so I'm afraid using renewable energy won't have any effect. I think we'll need a couple of extra disasters to get people to see that fossil fuels will get us nowhere.
Lopin18 wrote:
I think you played too much Fallout 3, Pedo Perk acquired.
One day the world is screaming for more and cheaper gasoline, the next they are screaming at the providers of said liquid.
Oh such irony.
No one is innocent in this, least of all BP, nor the U.S. Government.
Don't take this as a flame or anything, but what exactly does us wanting our gas cheaper have to do with them neglecting to fix the safety issues on the rig that could have avoided this whole situation?
It's not that the oil companies can't afford the lower gas costs, they simply like the billion dollar profits they get, why would they want less than that?
Transocean has a rep for being the fastest at drilling wells they also have a rep for cutting corners and multitasking when they shouldn't be. This rig was also under contract with another operator and was actually supposed to be on the new location at the time of the accident.
Just because Halliburton owns Boots & Coots does not mean BP contracted that service to be on the rig.
The BP company man that was on the rig when the negative pressure test failed was also the one that made the call to not circulate bottoms up before they cemented the casing. Normally what happens before a cement job occurs you will circulate the well bore and make sure there is no gas etc in the well. They did not do this for this well because they were at the point of losing returns which means the mud or drilling fluid is absorbed into the formation and not returned to the surface which is not a great scenario to be in. So instead of taking the chance of losing returns they circulated for about 15 minutes and cemented.
Because they cemented with gas in the well the cement did not cure properly which did not help matters much when they took the kick. There was also an issue with the BOP (blow out preventer) that the news has been talking about from what I understand there are two fail safes in the BOPs that are used off shore and the first one failed so they relied on the second one until they moved the rig. It sounds like they could have fixed the one that failed but that would have taken at least a week and like I mentioned above they were already way behind schedule to begin with.
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One day the world is screaming for more and cheaper gasoline, the next they are screaming at the providers of said liquid.
Oh such irony.
No one is innocent in this, least of all BP, nor the U.S. Government.
Don't take this as a flame or anything, but what exactly does us wanting our gas cheaper have to do with them neglecting to fix the safety issues on the rig that could have avoided this whole situation?
It's not that the oil companies can't afford the lower gas costs, they simply like the billion dollar profits they get, why would they want less than that?
The fact that oil isn't safe is hardly a new concept. The "accidents" happen again and again, it's inevitable when you deal with this shit. And the reason why these companies continue doing it is because we keep on buying it. It's a perfect equation, why focus all that money on developing alternative means of travel when every country in the world are dependent on fossil fuels?
The real power lies in the hands of the people with the money, except due to collective stupidity and/or comfort; we give that power away.
Any updates on the actual oil spill?
And i was wondering the other day, seeing how oil that oil is floating or in mid sea many miles out.
Will they be able to collect the oil?
As surly with it floating many miles away, it will hurt other waters then the Gulf?
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And here re some good cams of 'live feed'
Aledgedy.
http://www.jtnog.org/
If you keep looking at the middle 2nd from left cam from the live cam feeds.
You can see fire in them live pics too.
I really think they could have cleaned the spill better if they were more prepared. We (Oil Company i work for) use skimmer tanks to clean oil from water. Basically you skim the top layer, becasue oil floats on water. Then that emulsion goes into a free water knockout. And your left with clean oil, and water.
Im not sure why they couldn't have done on hundreds of boats and use ROV or divers to direct the suction hose. BP needs to rethink there company practices. I really hope this ruins them. There is no excuse for what happened in my books.
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So hows that life without a car treating you. Oh and you cant use a bike, skateboard or other mode of transportation becasue guess what, they all contain products produced from oil. Hell you cant even walk becasue of the rubber soles or synthetic shoe laces. That MAC was imported from China with oil. Your Grocery store get food in using oil. Gasoline is a drop in the bucket when it comes to oil use. If everyone stopped driving Automobiles today, Oil prices wouldn't drop to much. So basically by not buying gasoline, you are doing really nothing to help the cause.
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