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Cohen
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Saner
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Knowing BT it wont be finished until 2112, anyways FTTC wont make a huge difference and who the feck is with BT anyways ?
No doubt they will throttle any improvment out and cap it to 20k from 5 pm till 4:30pm
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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deelix
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 16:13 Post subject: |
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<3 BT
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Saner
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 16:23 Post subject: |
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Yeah FTTC is going to make some difference, but you still have old copper from the cabnet to your house, so you are still going to run into issues with that.
Most people are on LLU and not with BT where its avalable, but I didnt realise BT where being forced to lease it, last I read one of the reasons BT wouldnt do it is because of leaseing out (I did agree with them to be honest why should they shell out billions for some other ISP to use it)
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I saw things like that in here and in other "woman problems" topics so...... Am I the only one that thinks some authorities needs to be alerted about Saner and him possibly being a rapist and/or kidnapper ? |
Saner is not being serious. Unless its the subject of Santa!
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 16:28 Post subject: |
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my new cabinet has just been installed, its opposit my house. The "last mile" so to speak will be more of a last meter. I will be quiicckk
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 17:08 Post subject: Re: UK ISP improvements |
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| Cohen wrote: | Virgin media are no longer the only UK supplier of fast fibre optic broadband.
BT have began rolling out their rival service.
| Quote: | BT's fibre optic upgrade programme is picking up pace, with a further 300 exchanges earmarked to offer faster broadband today.
Covering about four million lines, the latest tranche of exchanges will be upgraded between Autumn this year and Summer 2011. It represents a significant portion of the overall programme, which is scheduled to cover 10 million lines - about 40 per cent of the network - by mid-2012. |
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/03/30/bt_fibre_again/
Yes yes, all you scandies and the like with your 50mb+ 100mb+ lines can no longer call us cavemen  |
yes I can and will call us still cavemen, bt engineer in the other day here fixing my line mentioned about the roll out going slow, but he agreed, it wont make much diff to anything because ur still having the shitty copper to your house bwhahahaha., so we will still blow.... yeah ok a bit better stability and maybe few more mb but nothing like having the fibre to the front door..
its a big fucking conn, to do it properly they would have to dig up the roads right to the main points of branching to the houses/flats/towerblocks etc etc and that is a fucking big job and they just dont have the money for that shit...
copper line cant hold much mb down it I believe, and for them to re feed fibre to everyhouse hold that will want it is a joke.. If they do feed it through the junctions, under the road and into buildings ill eat my hat.. |
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 17:40 Post subject: |
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FTTP (Fibre to the Premise) is going to happen in 2012, so it wont be that long of a wait.
Besides, you do know the copper can carry a fast signal over short diistances?
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twobells
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 18:23 Post subject: |
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tb has been fttp since ntl rolled it out many moons ago and it was one of the best decisions he ever made.
50mbit currently, 100mbit in August/Sept and 200mbit next year if Virgin decide there's a market.
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 18:26 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | FTTP (Fibre to the Premise) is going to happen in 2012, so it wont be that long of a wait.
Besides, you do know the copper can carry a fast signal over short diistances? |
copper can carry 10mb max as far as im concerned lol.,. and it doesnt even do that well, not even 2.5miles from exchange..
FTTP may be happening but it will still be a wait for 75% of the uk population depending again where u live..40% for a semi reasonable rate as long as your copper joiners have not corroded in the cabinet lol cause again they are like brittle bones in those things believe me  .
And then meager % who will actually get FTTP..They are too slow with this shitty fucking backbone setup.. Always the last uk. And its not staffing issues or overtime issues, the issues are believe it or not, the fact they cant get enough trunking parts.. too slow to get all the kit to fit apparently..
Then watch now, the torries will get in, and wipe out the extra 50p rate on phone lease and say no sorry no money for it and back to square one no FTTP for another 10 years.. |
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TSR69
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Creating more POP's to decrease distance to households could be a cheaper solution than a roll-out of fiber into the households.
| Quote: | VDSL2 (Very High Speed Digital Subscriber Line 2) is an access technology that exploits the existing infrastructure of copper wires that were originally deployed for POTS.
VDSL2 deteriorates quickly from a theoretical maximum of 250 Mbit/s at 'source' to 100 Mbit/s at 0.5 km (1640 ft) and 50 Mbit/s at 1 km (3280 ft), but degrades at a much slower rate from there, and still outperforms VDSL. Starting from 1.6 km (1 mile) its performance is equal to ADSL2+. |
source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Very_high_speed_digital_subscriber_line_2
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Horrordee
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 19:45 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | copper can carry 10mb max as far as im concerned lol. |
What?! Don't be silly, i've seen speeds of upper 40s on a copper network.
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 20:44 Post subject: |
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Question is if it's TRUE bandwidth all the way or if it's 100mbit to the switch and then you share the usual overbooked gate to the internet which will enforce throttling and higher prices for sustained 100mbit. But at least it's a step in the right direction.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Mar 2010 22:45 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Question is if it's TRUE bandwidth all the way or if it's 100mbit to the switch and then you share the usual overbooked gate to the internet which will enforce throttling and higher prices for sustained 100mbit. But at least it's a step in the right direction. |
thats right, welcome to the real deal we will be squeezed of pocket more yet before were like norway or the swedes for solid speeds...
infact it prob be cheaper to just ship all uk people that want high speed bb to sweeden and setup home there.. |
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twobells
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| moosenoodles wrote: |
its a big fucking conn, to do it properly they would have to dig up the roads right to the main points of branching to the houses/flats/towerblocks etc etc and that is a fucking big job and they just dont have the money for that shit... |
So how did they avoid digging up the roads in Norge and Sverige?
They didn't, just got on with the job and everybody adjusted, seems we are incapable of doing that any longer. 
It infuriates me that the very same politicians who now seems so knowledgeable of IT and broadband decided there was and i quote "no need for faster broadband than 2mbit"
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well plenty engineers already said over the years that the pipework for feeding the cables etc is pretty shite and already crammed sharing plenty of other things these days.. fuck em..
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i get 12mbit over copper, off a 24mbit plan, but im quite far from the exchange.
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