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JackQ
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 Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:15 Post subject: |
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Well, he's right. Steam is a major convenience.
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JackQ
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:18 Post subject: |
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most of my bought games is from Steam... I must admit..
"Fuck Denuvo"
Your personal opinions != the rest of the forum
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Racecar101
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:20 Post subject: |
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No no what saves it is making sure you have good desirable multiplay in a game so you HAVE to buy for the cd key to play online.
Steam is and always has been more expensive than buying a hard copy online and sometimes by 40% on new games.
I simply don't buy games on steam unless they are on super special offer as you cant sell the games on when you grow tired of them.
Steam is far from the saviour of gaming until they bring their prices in line with the online retailers.
Why on earth would I pay £30-£40 for a game that I can get for £19.99 from an online store.
They should be undercutting the hard copy retailers not charging more than.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:24 Post subject: |
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No.
The best anti-piracy is and always will be making a good, enjoyable game that people want to buy. Wether it's mp or sp doesn't matter.
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proekaan
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:37 Post subject: |
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You can buy keys for Steam from cheap sites. 
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:43 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | No.
The best anti-piracy is and always will be making a good, enjoyable game that people want to buy. Wether it's mp or sp doesn't matter. |
Truer words were never spoken. Even though MP does tend to extend the life of a game substantially, and thus offer a little extra incentive to buy, I've got no qualms about shelling out for a strong SP experience (Mass Effect, Mafia, Dragon Age etc.)
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proekaan
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Racecar101
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:48 Post subject: |
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| dezztroy wrote: | No.
The best anti-piracy is and always will be making a good, enjoyable game that people want to buy. Wether it's mp or sp doesn't matter. |
very wrong it matters a lot, how many people would have paid for bad company 2 if the pirate version worked online just fine ? how many of you paid for race driver grid then ?
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:50 Post subject: |
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Give us Euro people better prices and I would agree, now - not so much!
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Werelds
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 18:53 Post subject: |
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Buying Steam keys off G2Play or similar sites works fine, and sometimes the sales on Steam are quite good, even in Euros.
They do need to start using proper rates though, well annoying how much we have to pay for new games (apart from the obvious sites) >_<
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 19:38 Post subject: |
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86 usd for a game over steam vs 40 for walking 15 minutes to the store. oh thank you for saving pc gaming, steam!!!11
you know whats REALLY going to save pc gaming? bringing back game boxes, thats what. and full colour glossy manuals. and copy protection that doesnt make the game harder to play than if id just downloaded it. but mainly game boxes.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 19:41 Post subject: |
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i would never buy a shit from those money hungry steam WHORES. 1 euro =//= 1 $.
I only bought dow 2 - but via g2p (and now i play chaos rising without steam, woot for gfwl)
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 19:45 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | 86 usd for a game over steam vs 40 for walking 15 minutes to the store. oh thank you for saving pc gaming, steam!!!11
you know whats REALLY going to save pc gaming? bringing back game boxes, thats what. and full colour glossy manuals. and copy protection that doesnt make the game harder to play than if id just downloaded it. but mainly game boxes. |
dude you don't understand the Relic stand point
Steam DOES save the PC market but only for those that are a greedy selfish bitches that hate the USED GAMES MARKET that GAMESTOP or E-BAY created ...LIKE EA or Ubisoft with theirs Internet activation DRM
you can't re-sell steam/Internet activated DRM games that's why they say its saving the PC market... idiots , PS3 game market lives ONLY on the used games and they don't complain
oh right blame it on the piracy.... yeah lets all jump on the bandwaggon named 'Piracy'' just to add a anal DRM  |
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 19:59 Post subject: |
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well if thats their standpoint, that it saves gaming because it doesnt give people the ability to sell on their games or trade towards new ones, then theyre even bigger idiots than i thought. ive only ever bought 3 steam games (hl2, tf2, and left for dead... i mean "abandoned for mo money") and i wont buy any more.
ill buy the fuck out of witcher 2, mass effect3 and arkham city FROM A STORE if they come in nice boxes, though.
humorous thread though... earlier today i was looking for games ive never played so i could think of a new one to download... and id opted for the dawn or war 2/chaos rising pack. eat it, relic, you dopey fucks. STEAM IS OUR CURSE NOT A FUCKING SAVIOR YOU BASTARDS.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:12 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | well if thats their standpoint, that it saves gaming because it doesnt give people the ability to sell on their games or trade towards new ones, then theyre even bigger idiots than i thought. ive only ever bought 3 steam games (hl2, tf2, and left for dead... i mean "abandoned for mo money") and i wont buy any more.
ill buy the fuck out of witcher 2, mass effect3 and arkham city FROM A STORE if they come in nice boxes, though.
humorous thread though... earlier today i was looking for games ive never played so i could think of a new one to download... and id opted for the dawn or war 2/chaos rising pack. eat it, relic, you dopey fucks. STEAM IS OUR CURSE NOT A FUCKING SAVIOR YOU BASTARDS. |
well its like this Developers say "PC Piracy is killing the economy" ... so PC games should have intrusive drm to destroy the PIRACY
the strange thing is, they don't say its "used games market" fault but "Piracy" fault , so when some... PC Derp reads this "PIRACY IS BAD" he/she/it goes beserkt , but when you understand how the games economy works you understand that the devs meant "Piracy = used games market... more profit for us" "buy this game new you get extra dlc... that we cut from this game just to save it from piracy (Ea 10$ plan)"
Edit: on consoles you could have seen this tactic in Assassin Creed 2 Dlc it was cut contend from the original game just to save it from piracy, Xbox360/ps3 Extra DLC packs , EA Mass Effect 2 store, Alan Wake DLC , Heavy rain DLC etc... |
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:21 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | 86 usd for a game over steam vs 40 for walking 15 minutes to the store. oh thank you for saving pc gaming, steam!!!11
you know whats REALLY going to save pc gaming? bringing back game boxes, thats what. and full colour glossy manuals. and copy protection that doesnt make the game harder to play than if id just downloaded it. but mainly game boxes. |
Honestly, Steam (and Impulse for that matter) could save PC gaming. IF they priced things cheaper than retail. There is no reason on Earth why Sins of a Solar Empire Trinity should be cheaper from Amazon than a digital only store. And yet, Trinity is £10 from Amazon UK, which is £15 cheaper than buying from Impulse. Mafia 2 from Amazon? £25. Steam? £30.
Digital is better at preventing piracy (yes, I know Steam can be cracked, but it involves loaders, which is more hassle than a nocd crack); has less extraneous costs (distribution, retail end-point, packaging, dvd duplication). And yet is more expensive. No reason why that should be.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:25 Post subject: |
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| Pixieking wrote: | | has less extraneous costs (distribution, retail end-point, packaging, dvd duplication). And yet is more expensive. No reason why that should be. |
two words:
more. profit.
Easy as that. At the base they are all greedy bastards who'd take your last cent if they could make you give it to them.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:26 Post subject: |
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kinda what im getting at. if valve werent such indifferent idiots and actually used their steam platform properly (for instance pricing digital downloads SIGNIFICANTLY lower, and shit... why not a sell-back program? sell the game back to valve for 20-30% credit to future games over steam if you dont want it anymore) then yeah, sure, that'd make a difference
but valve WONT DO THAT, so no... all steam does is drive me that much further away from paying for pc games.
so yeah, great potential, rubbish execution... ergo steam wont save shit because of valve.
also to clarify - it IS valves platform, and they COULD control pricing if they wanted to, but they dont, so yeah, it is their fault and noone elses that steam is the failure it is.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:28 Post subject: |
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It's really very simple. At the moment publishers make much more money releasing games on consoles. Steam is increasing publishers return of investment more and more every year, so it might actually be said to save PC-gaming in that respect. Wheather you guys like Steam or not is irrelevant because in the end money talks. I'm a PC gamer by heart but even I would follow the money if I owned a publishing house. The game industry's main focus isn't about idealism or fun anymore. It's a business just like making toilette seats or coffee machines. People invest their money and they expect to get a return.
I'm also quite pissed about the high prices on Steam. I try to keep an eye up for good offers and I use g2play.net a lot as it's saved me several times.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:28 Post subject: |
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| proekaan wrote: | | Honestly,steam is overpriced and I only use it to get cheap games when they are on massive sale. Steam it is not when regarding to new games. |
+1 Same as me.
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:34 Post subject: |
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| sabathius___ wrote: | | proekaan wrote: | | Honestly,steam is overpriced and I only use it to get cheap games when they are on massive sale. Steam it is not when regarding to new games. |
+1 Same as me. |
well, yeah, sort of like that for me too.
By now I have 83 or so games on my steam account. Only two of those I bought when they were new. Mass Effect 2 and Left 4 Dead 2. All others were part of some sort of deal weekend/day.
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LMLM
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 20:56 Post subject: |
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I think piracy is what is saving PC gaming. We are the smarter or at least more empowered consumers. Relic is talking about commercial game development, but PC gaming is more than that anyways. Being forced to over pay for over rated and dumbed-down games is a big reason why people pirate. Also as was said, the quality of the game itself matters a lot. If we can't pirate games, we are all fucking then.
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chiv
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 21:05 Post subject: |
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| LMLM wrote: | | I think piracy is what is saving PC gaming. |
whut.
no seriously, i wasnt aware that pc gaming was in a better state now than it was 10 years ago... |
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 21:06 Post subject: |
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Piracy might not be helping pc gaming, but it's not what is killing it. That would be shitty devs/publishers that blame piracy for their shitty games not selling. (I'm looking at you Ubi)
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 21:37 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | LMLM wrote: | | I think piracy is what is saving PC gaming. |
whut.
no seriously, i wasnt aware that pc gaming was in a better state now than it was 10 years ago... |
chiv he is right , when you look on the PSP , Piracy saved the SONY PSP!! and made it a emulation platform , now everybody has one just for that aspect ... if not the piracy PSP would die like SEGA DreamCast did |
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LMLM
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| Posted: Mon, 16th Aug 2010 21:38 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | LMLM wrote: | | I think piracy is what is saving PC gaming. |
whut.
no seriously, i wasnt aware that pc gaming was in a better state now than it was 10 years ago... |
Just because PC gaming might not be where it was ten years ago (I think it's stronger), doesn't mean piracy is the actual cause of that. Piracy has been around in home computer gaming since at least the early 80's.
Piracy is a red herring. A better cause for the slump in recent years in PC gaming is that the PS3 and X360 consoles were heavily subsidized. Also Vista and DirectX 10 was a flop. Also the economy slumped. Also the Wii sold shitloads of units due to the controller gimmick. PC gaming is as strong as ever, and right now is making a resurgence because PC technology has continued to evolve while the consoles are stuck with 4-5 year old technology.
I doubt the the next generation of consoles will be nearly as competitive. Also DirectX 11 is turning into a success story and Windows 7 sales are outstanding. PC gaming is coming back strong.
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) or whatever place is cheap. Steam it is not when regarding to new games.
