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 Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 03:53 Post subject: Samsung 2233rz monitor (120Hz) |
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I currently have a Compaq 7020 (at 75hz) as my monitor which Ive had since like 2001 or 2002 and I think its time for a new one lol. So I heard about the 2233rz about 2 months ago and was wondering if anybody here has one of these:
http://www.samsung.com/us/consumer/office/monitors/specialty/LS22CMFKFV/ZA/index.idx?pagetype=prd_detail
Ive been wanting this for a while but can't decide whether its worth it or not
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 03:56 Post subject: |
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you wont go wrong with the 22+ series samsungs.. ive not changed my 226bw yet cause its so nice.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 10:55 Post subject: |
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Its input lag is good, and contrast is decent but the colours are really, really terrible. That's common with Samsung monitors though, you'll need a colour profile to fix that. Especially the 2233RZ has an annoying blueish tint, which is why I didn't go for that.
As a monitor, it's not the best. The 100hz refresh rate is nice though, makes things appear more fluid - just keep in mind that it's not better than other monitors (like I said, it's worse on some fronts) and the 100hz refresh rate is very subjective. Not everyone notices it.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 11:37 Post subject: |
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120Hz would make it 3D ready though. I think if you are even remotely interested in this, you should be looking for 120Hz monitors for future purchases.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 11:41 Post subject: |
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Dunno why I typed 100Hz, because it's 120 (DLDVI) 
MY BAD 
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 14:09 Post subject: |
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even the 226bw said it needed a colour profile which to me was stupid, looked fine.. all the profile did was level off the whites a bit more.. next to my dell yes the dells white is alot diff but its nothing your gonna whine about unless ur into accurate photoshop work... for texturing models etc..
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 15:22 Post subject: |
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| moosenoodles wrote: | | even the 226bw said it needed a colour profile which to me was stupid, looked fine.. all the profile did was level off the whites a bit more.. next to my dell yes the dells white is alot diff but its nothing your gonna whine about unless ur into accurate photoshop work... for texturing models etc.. |
The 2233RZ has far more obvious colour discrepancies though. And honestly, even on the web you notice the difference. I'm probably a bit more picky about this because I actually do need my colours to be correct, but the 2233RZ looks quite terrible on default colours; worse than my 206BW, which already wasn't the best back then.
For the record, the 226BW is a much, much better monitor than the 2233RZ. Both are good though; less than 1 frame input lag (226BW has virtually none), it mostly comes down to whether you want 3D vision or not 
And you can't compare Samsung to Samsung, and definitely not by panel size. They do a lot of panel juggling, so you have to make sure to get the correct one. If you can get the exact model number you can usually find the panel used by Googling it. Stay away from monitors with Philips panels; unfortunately, they're the most common because they're cheaper than good panels from like AU Optronics.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 15:26 Post subject: |
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yes yes, i wasnt meaning going into real depths, there can be lots of differences regarding builds/component use etc etc even if the guy was picking his nose and decided to cover your capacitors in green snot for fun. 
The thing is most monitors do a fiar job for just browsing and gaming.. and i take it the 2233rz has at least colour sliders to alter with custom setup? Which normaly equates to a reasonable view for the std use ud need it for...
Photoshop texture creators can be rather picky with accuracy as it drives them wild when matching up images they copy or side by side stiching of things.. I can relate to that but at same time its not the end of the world, unless its ur job and you got lots of wonga riding on it.
Also if I remember TC has always been wanting bang for buck as hes not overly flush all the time to get new gear. im sure he will enlighten us more on that shortly..
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 16:23 Post subject: |
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Well like I said, it still comes down to whether he wants 3D vision or not
If 3D doesn't matter, then don't bother with the 2233RZ tbh, it's way too expensive for what it offers besides that. And colours are easy to fix, there's tons of colour profiles out there which take like 30 seconds to install 
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 17:58 Post subject: |
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true, they aint rocket science to use.. 3d is meh, dont think it works that well anyhow, personally not even interested in watching 3d stuff in cinema.. dont want those goggles on my face for hours with lovely coloured lenses
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 18:01 Post subject: |
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Well, if color accuracy is important for professional reasons, you should be looking at the more expensive IPS panels. They are not as fast though, however I think the newest ones perform quite well already, but obviously will also cost substantially more.
Your average users and especially gamers, don't normally need this, unless you are looking for the best quality and willing to pay premium for it.
Also, the 3D stuff mentioned here primarily concerns gaming: Nvidia 3D vision and whatever Ati will come up with soon enough. This is not bad at all from what I've heard so far and worth looking into.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 20:40 Post subject: |
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Well Im looking to invest in a monitor that Il be using for the next 6+ year just like the one Im currently using. All I really want is the higher refresh rate and I think I would be able to notice. Im currently using 75hz and its much much better than 70hz but it still does not look smooth.
I went to a friends house a few weeks ago and he purchased an ASUS VH202T-P and the first thing I noticed was that his refreshrate was at 60hz and I just could not enjoy anything due to the laggy feel of things
I do have some money saved up since I haven't really purchased any new electronics except for a PS3 back in January (which I will sell this month)
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 21:10 Post subject: |
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High refresh rate monitors are very uncommon, in fact the only reason this one is 120hz is for 3D.
All that smoothness thing is only relevant to HDTVs as far as I know, and they do it by post-processing the image, not actually outputting a 200 Hz picture, so it's not for PC use.
I think when it comes to image coming from the PC to an LCD it is almost always limited to 60hz. I could be wrong though. With the current technology, the refresh rate itself will not affect the smoothness of an image when using PC input in LCD monitors, be it 60hz or 120hz.
This is how I know it at least, perhaps someone could confirm/deny this...
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 21:55 Post subject: |
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No that's not entirely true Mindermast. On a bad monitor it can affect it, but on a monitor like the 226BW or an LG W2253V like I have, that's not an issue. These monitors actually do have the responsiveness they advertise with (which is 2ms in my case).
Want my advice timechange? Check out some monitor reviews, and then check the actual monitors in stores - specifically ones that have <2ms response time.
To give you a couple of suggestions:
- ViewSonic VX2268wm: Direct alternative to the 2233rz; same panel used, except Viewsonic fixed the colours, and it's cheaper than the Samsung one. I'd go for this if you still want 120Hz after checking other monitors out
- The two mentioned earlier: Samsung 226BW and LG W2253V. Both are excellent monitors. 2ms response time is accurate, good colours, decent enough contrast.
- Dell monitors. I mention them on their own because most Dell monitors are good. Not all, but most - that also comes with the normal Dell pricetag though
In the end, just walk into a store and check them out yourself; in most cases they've got some video playing anyway, and you'll see which ones you like and which ones you don't.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Apr 2010 23:00 Post subject: |
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I was referring to your refresh rate stuff; on a monitor with a 5ms (or higher obviously) response time it can smoothen things up slightly, because of the extra interpolation and what not. On 2ms panels it doesn't make much of a difference though, most of that is placebo effects 
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Apr 2010 20:57 Post subject: |
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I checked out the monitor in person at CompUSA this past week. I instantly fell in love with it. So I ordered one (All sealed and new) for around $250, shipping included. Can't wait till it gets here next week!
I will be posting a pic of my updated desk after it comes
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| Posted: Sat, 10th Apr 2010 22:17 Post subject: |
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I hate you Americans
2233RZ is 270 EUR here; 250 USD would be 185.24 ;/
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Apr 2010 01:10 Post subject: |
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Received the monitor today. The default color setting ARE a bit inaccurate but you can calibrate them. But besides that, the monitor is pretty freakin fantastic. Definitely worth it IMO
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Apr 2010 05:47 Post subject: |
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I'll stick with my old Samsung T220. No color discrepancies (or I've simply adapted to them).
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Apr 2010 21:16 Post subject: |
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I downloaded the Samsung SyncMaster 2233rz ICC profile but how do I apply it? I went to color management and then added the profile. Now when I goto the "Advanced" tab, I set " Samsung SyncMaster 2233rz.icc" as my device profile but theres no "apply" button. How do you apply the profile?
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| Posted: Sat, 17th Apr 2010 21:38 Post subject: |
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Which O/S?
Under Win7 (and probably Vista) it's applied after a reboot when you click the 'close' button
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