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Lutzi-fan
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 Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 18:06 Post subject: Recycling spare parts, need advice |
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I have an old AMD Athlon 64 X2 4200+ (Manchester, s939) collecting dust at home as well as some ASRock s939 motherboard and 2Go DDR Corsair XMS. I would like to recycle these parts into a basic "gaming-like" PC (understand 1440x900, 2-3 years old games, etc). What kind of recent graphic card would be wise to add to the system in order not to be CPU-limited? Would it still be enjoyable to play at 1440x900?
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 18:47 Post subject: |
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My current system is a 939 socket system 
Before I switched some shit around it was my x2 4400+ @ 2.2ghz, 8800GT, 2x1024 memory and the asus a8n SLI premium on a 19" ws using 1440x900. Got pretty good FPS but figured my 8800GT was just seeing it's time.
Got a 5850 and 2 more GB of memory and didn't see any increase in FPS sadly, so I OC'd my CPU and in dragon age I went from 15-20FPS to 40-60FPS.
So for you, I would say OC the cpu as well as you can and just throw an 8800GT/9800GT into it.
Or if your an ATI fan you could go for a 4870/4850 or the 57xx cards (if you want DX11 or w/e). That CPU is going to bottleneck quite a bit stock so you'll need to OC it to see any benefit.
I went from 2.2ghz to 2.8 and is doing great with the 5850, got a 23" WS now using 1920x1080 and get 50+FPS in borderlands, 40+ in dragon age, WIC was in the 45's etc.
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 18:59 Post subject: |
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Any G92 (8800 GT, 9800 GTX or GTS 250, depending on what's cheapest at your favourite retailer - they're all the same chip and nearly identical in performance) or a 4850/4870/4890.
You do need to OC it a bit probably, because 1440x900 is a relatively low resolution, so you're not gonna get GPU-capped even at maximum details for any game with any of the mentioned cards. The only game that might come close to the GPU cap will be Crysis at the very highest settings 
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Slizza
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Dec 2009 19:36 Post subject: |
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You can likely find a old 8800gts/8800gt for cheap on ebay etc.
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Lutzi-fan
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 01:00 Post subject: |
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Thanks guys for the answers!! Then I will be looking for a second hand 8800GT or a brand new 5770.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 01:07 Post subject: |
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| Lutzi-fan wrote: | Thanks guys for the answers!! Then I will be looking for a second hand 8800GT or a brand new 5770.
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keep in mind the 4870 has better performance than the 57xx and prob cheaper too but doesn't have the ability of eye infinity or DX11
Honestly with that system, do what you can to find an 8800/9800GT (9800 is just a rebranded 8800 gt....surprise surprise)
dunno where your from but...if your lucky your in the US or canada to order from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=9800&x=0&y=0 |
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Werelds
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 17:08 Post subject: |
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| pwerelds wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | Honestly with that system, do what you can to find an 8800/9800GT (9800 is just a rebranded 8800 gt....surprise surprise) |
Or, like I said, a GTS250, which is still the same chip. Three different names, all the same card.
4850/4870 will indeed do better than 5770 in DX9/10 games; in games with DX11 where you can turn tesselation off, the 5770 will most likely do better |
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Slizza
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Werelds
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | 9800GTX is the 250GTX |
There is no 250GTX
The following are all G92 without any disabled shaders or anything; difference lies in manufacturing process (G92a = 65nm, G92b = 55nm) and in stock clocks:
- 8800GT
- 8800GTS-512
- 9800GT
- 9800GTX
- 9800GTX+
- GTS 250
They all have fairly similar top clocks; the G92b based ones obviously are a bit easier to clock, but there's hardly any difference in what the chips can or cannot handle.
To add to the confusion, you can't even know for sure whether you'll get the a or the b variant until you have the card installed; there's 9800GT's on both variants, and the same goes for the 9800GTX+ and the GTS 250. Standard 9800GTX is always the G92a though.
Any of those 6 is a G92; if you get the G92b, congrats, you can clock it even further than the G92a! If not, no harm done, you can clock it to 9800GTX speeds at the very minimum.
Also, they all have the same 256-bit memory bus, with the same 512 MB GDDR3 memory.
So no Spykez, they're all identical except for the stock clocks
That said, the stock clocks are all within 50MHz of each other, on each and every single one. In fact, the memory clocks are 1100 for all of them as far as I know, and core/shader clocks only differ because of the suffix they're sold with
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Sin317
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Dec 2009 23:35 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | | Lutzi-fan wrote: | Thanks guys for the answers!! Then I will be looking for a second hand 8800GT or a brand new 5770.
Cheers |
keep in mind the 4870 has better performance than the 57xx and prob cheaper too but doesn't have the ability of eye infinity or DX11
Honestly with that system, do what you can to find an 8800/9800GT (9800 is just a rebranded 8800 gt....surprise surprise)
dunno where your from but...if your lucky your in the US or canada to order from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=9800&x=0&y=0 |
there is no need for eye infinity lulz ... and what game did you come across with dx11 lately ? ^^
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| Posted: Mon, 14th Dec 2009 03:22 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | Lutzi-fan wrote: | Thanks guys for the answers!! Then I will be looking for a second hand 8800GT or a brand new 5770.
Cheers |
keep in mind the 4870 has better performance than the 57xx and prob cheaper too but doesn't have the ability of eye infinity or DX11
Honestly with that system, do what you can to find an 8800/9800GT (9800 is just a rebranded 8800 gt....surprise surprise)
dunno where your from but...if your lucky your in the US or canada to order from newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=9800&x=0&y=0 |
there is no need for eye infinity lulz ... and what game did you come across with dx11 lately ? ^^ |
Well theres Dirt 2, STALKER Pipyat so far
| Slizza wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | | pwerelds wrote: |
Or, like I said, a GTS250, which is still the same chip. Three different names, all the same card.
4850/4870 will indeed do better than 5770 in DX9/10 games; in games with DX11 where you can turn tesselation off, the 5770 will most likely do better |
9800GTX is the 250GTX |
9800GTX+ is the GTS 250 
With such a clear product line i do not know how you could be mistaken. |
lol I realized that today, it popped up in my head for some reason and was like huurr |
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Lutzi-fan
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Werelds
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| Posted: Tue, 15th Dec 2009 10:55 Post subject: |
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Easy to tell, 1 or 2 power connectors?
G92b only needs one
GPU-Z won't tell you if it's the 55 or 65nm variant btw, it recognises the 55 as 65 
Stock clocks can also tell you whether it's the old or new chip; newer has a much higher stock shader clock. Think it's 2000+ for G92b, 1800+ for the old one.
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