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Ronhrin
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 Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 17:16 Post subject: Windows 7 HDD Rating |
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Why is it that Wihdows 7 Rating System, rates my HDD so low?
I mean, what kind of HDD would satisfy Windows Rating Index to its maximum?
Btw, this rating was made to the rig in my Sig.
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I'd assume a few 10,000 RPM SCSI-SSD hybrid server-grade drives in RAID will guarantee a maximum score. Not sure, don't have one of those at the moment. 
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 17:32 Post subject: |
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G.SKILL SSD Falcon 128GB SATA II 230/190Mbs-FM-25S2S-128GBF1 - €320
G.SKILL SSD Falcon 256GB SATA II 230/190Mbs-FM-25S2S-256GBF1 - €605
Only found these 2 in my usual stores, they are a bit expensive considering that by €320 I can purchase 3x1.5TB drives and that one has only 128 Gb, it isn''t even enough for my installed applications to run, I have roughly 500 Gb of installed applications in my windows partition.
In your opinion, is it worth it, or I rather wait another year for the release of bigger SSD drives?
Will I notice a major performance bump when compared to my 1.5TB 7200 RPM drive?
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 17:35 Post subject: |
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Do you really find your current setup as not enough? With such high prices, I'd actually buy something that is worthy of them, like 3x1.5TB (or more), and even that, do you really need so much space?
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 17:54 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Do you really find your current setup as not enough? With such high prices, I'd actually buy something that is worthy of them, like 3x1.5TB (or more), and even that, do you really need so much space? |
I always need space, on average I download 100Gb a day, between HD movies, series, Lossless albums and other stuff.
Space is always needed, and I lose way to many time backing up stuff to DVDs.
On the other hand, I'm very obsessed about performance, and although my current system behaves better than what I expected, a lower benchmark is something that captivates my immediate attention.
Obviously I do not wish to be throwing money away for nothing, if I am to purchase one of these drives I expect to notice a major performance bump, not only a few extra point in a benchmark test that have no practical meaning whatsoever.
Also, the price/space ratio of this drives is a big turn off, a windows partition with less than 500 Gb is probably the only reason I will not purchase one of these SSD drives atm, unless of course there are bigger drives that I can order from anywhere outside my country.
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SSD hybrids will only improve repeated access to small files. I don't think it is really worth the price asked. This is still a relatively new technology (commercially), thus the silly prices. 
Like you said, the only possible advantage would be for a system partition, because it would lead to faster boot time and faster execution system tasks. But for games, movies and shows the gains are very minimal. If you can live with a 32GB system partition, perhaps buy one of these, but then you need to change the installation path of almost everything you install.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 18:13 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | SSD hybrids will only improve repeated access to small files. I don't think it is really worth the price asked. This is still a relatively new technology (commercially), thus the silly prices.
Like you said, the only possible advantage would be for a system partition, because it would lead to faster boot time and faster execution system tasks. But for games, movies and shows the gains are very minimal. If you can live with a 32GB system partition, perhaps buy one of these, but then you need to change the installation path of almost everything you install. |
Since the moment I power my Rig, until I'm fully logged on in Windows, some 30-40 seconds pass by, imo is quite insignificant considering that half that time is wasted on BIOS operations, which makes roughly 15-20 seconds booting Windows (which imo is very fast, and I doubt SSD drives would be much more faster than this), within the OS itself I can rarely notice any lag time on disk access, something that I noticed quite often in my old rig.
I will probably purchase a NAS and other 3 or 4 - 1.5 TB drives, that probably is money well spent.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 18:22 Post subject: |
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| Newty182 wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: |
I always need space, on average I download 100Gb a day, between HD movies, series, Lossless albums and other stuff. |
Your an ISP's worst nightmare  100GB is a hell of a lot. |
I pay for it 
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 18:26 Post subject: |
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Lol there was talk around here that ISPs might limit put limits or caps on the bandwidth. Needless to say they were very quickly taken down from their high horses with a lot of people threatening to stop paying, but still, got me sacred for a while Either uTorrent or Newsleecher are constantly downloading something. Imagine having to pace it.
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 18:40 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Lol there was talk around here that ISPs might limit put limits or caps on the bandwidth. Needless to say they were very quickly taken down from their high horses with a lot of people threatening to stop paying, but still, got me sacred for a while Either uTorrent or Newsleecher are constantly downloading something. Imagine having to pace it. |
Users like us are probably only between 4% and 8% of the totality of internet users, putting the piracy issue aside, when considering traffic alone, we are well within the parameters estimated by ISPs when they make their overall traffic assessments, most users only want to check their email, read some articles or purchase stuff online and occasionaly watch some youtube videos.
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Oh yeah, in Israel, 99.99% of net traffic is piracy. That's why they are doing nothing about the issue, they'd be out of work. 
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 18:52 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Oh yeah, in Israel, 99.99% of net traffic is piracy. That's why they are doing nothing about the issue, they'd be out of work. |
Well,it can't be 99%, you have to consider the amount of email and http traffic will always be dominant, if you said 50% it will probably still be a very high estimate, but still, I didn't knew piracy was so high in Israel.
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| Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Oh yeah, in Israel, 99.99% of net traffic is piracy. That's why they are doing nothing about the issue, they'd be out of work. |
Well,it can't be 99%, you have to consider the amount of email and http traffic will always be dominant, if you said 50% it will probably still be a very high estimate, but still, I didn't knew piracy was so high in Israel. |
Hmm,
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
It find it had to believe actually lol. |
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 19:02 Post subject: |
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| Anthirs wrote: | | You could just photoshop the picture to save cash rather than buy more hardware |
Haven't thought of that one before, you're probably right, it's done!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 19:06 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Ronhrin wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | Oh yeah, in Israel, 99.99% of net traffic is piracy. That's why they are doing nothing about the issue, they'd be out of work. |
Well,it can't be 99%, you have to consider the amount of email and http traffic will always be dominant, if you said 50% it will probably still be a very high estimate, but still, I didn't knew piracy was so high in Israel. |
Hmm,
http://www.nationmaster.com/graph/cri_sof_pir_rat-crime-software-piracy-rate
It find it had to believe actually lol. |
32%
This Windows 7 snipping tool is very useful!
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Ronhrin
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| Posted: Thu, 13th Aug 2009 19:15 Post subject: |
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It was photoshop
What I wonder is how the hell can a country like Armenia rate 1st with 93% of piracy, I mean, no offense to them but I bet half of them doesn't even know how to read.
I agree with you, something is very wrong with that list.
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It runs at 2D clocks during some less strenous tests and at 3D clocks during some of the more demanding ones so switching to full 3D speeds does improve score a bit, might be fixed by ATI in later drivers, forcing AA also interferes a bit with 3D measurments and Aero tests from what I've noticed so that's the reason that setting affects the performance rating.
Other than that I have no idea yet if my next upgrade will be a ATI 5000 series or a NVIDIA 300 series card, not really important for me to upgrade yet even though ATI will release their next cards in late September from the latest reports whereas NVIDIA takes things a bit calmer and will have their cards ready in Q1 2010 sometime, need to wait for both to be available before deciding on price/performance, pretty clear to me that a single 5870 or what it'll be called won't really match a GT 380 or what those will be called if both cards end up roughly twice as fast as the last generation ones, although performance will be quite close and then it's up to drivers to further optimize and improve the situation.
(ATI Catalyst 9.8 really helps in certain titles whereas it has caused a few issues in others, of course the 190.xx serie for NVIDIA has recieved quite a few complaints as well so many use either the 182 or 186 version drivers.)
EDIT: And yeah current SSD technology still needs to mature a bit more but it's developing extremely fast.
(They're soon at the maximum 300 MB transfer rate that SATA 2 can handle, at least for certain situations, SATA 3 is getting closer though as is USB 3 for external devices.)
From what I know thouh the Samsung Spinpoint F3 will be more of a revamped F1 so 7200 RPM or what it's called but I guess it'll be .11 instead of .10 plus various optimizations, of those mentioned it'll only use two platters, perhaps three for the 1.5 or 2TB versions once available so speeds are further improved.
(Samsung targets a rough 30% speed increase from the F1 models, those are around the fastest high-capacity drivers available and quite good plus price friendly compared to market brands like Western Digital, Maxtor and Hitachi.)
http://www.pcgameshardware.com/aid,691403/Samsung-Spinpoint-F3-with-500-GByte-platters-and-7-200-rpm-introduced/News/
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| Posted: Thu, 20th Aug 2009 01:44 Post subject: Re: Windows 7 HDD Rating |
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| PirateXXX wrote: | | Why do you need anything else except Windows XP? DX10 and DX11 are total shit maing games run slower with same graphics as in DX9. When I heard that Vista 64-bit needs 40GB for installation I almost snapped out. XP 64-bit install is 4GB so please enlighten me why do I need ten times bigger OS to run games slower with exactly the same graphics? |
You sir, are as ignorant as you're broke.
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