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 Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 10:57 Post subject: Fuck university |
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Straight as that, fuck university.
So last october I decided to enroll for university to pursue a degree in computer science.
That's basically where the fun ended.
My first semester was fubar, i should have written 4 exams, I was only admitted to two of them and both of those I flunked.
One of the two I already flunked a second time (fyi if I fail 1 exam three times I get kicked of the university and am not allowed to enter a course that has that certain class in it - at least not in Germany).
So now my second semester starts and it starts off pretty shitty, had three lectures today and I didn't unterstand a single word because some of the shit is based on the classes of the first semester.
So basically I fucked up the first, and am already on a good way to fuck up the second one as well.
I'm already thinking about switching university because the one I am at now is supposed to be one of the best (and toughest) universities of technology we have around here. (and of Germany as a whole).
What I could do would be switch universities after the 2nd semester and sort of start over on another one that is supposedly a bit easier but hasn't good that good of a reputation.
But if I fail that semester as well I'm probably gonna look for a job in the field I'm interested in, although by now I'm not so sure anymore if that is the field I wanna work in anyway because the classes I have to take here are so very different from what I expected.
Or I could look and try to get a job or rather a training position somewhere in computer science but looking at the calendar and the economic right now that could be rather hard...
So:
Fuck university, fuck school, fuck jobs, fuck all that shit!
Nobody told me life would be one uninterrupted string of fucked up events, damnit.
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Cohen
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:04 Post subject: |
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uni is balls. in todays world, any information you want is on the internet. want to learn how to do something? google it, learn it, sell it as a trade/service online. problem solved.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:25 Post subject: |
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like I said, I thought it would gonna be sort of fun. Not fun in the "have fun do nothing else" fun but it's just plain work and most of the time so much of it I can barely get it done.
I'm really starting to think university is not my cup of tea.
What pisses me off so badly is the fact that I thought this was gonna be my thing.
But then I realized that what I had imagined to be interesting and stuff ist just pure theoretical bullshit.
Plus, there's way too much math in my classes. This semester of the four classes I have, three are math classes, well thinking about it for a minute the fourth class has heavy math parts as well.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:26 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | uni is balls. in todays world, any information you want is on the internet. want to learn how to do something? google it, learn it, sell it as a trade/service online. problem solved. |
Agreed at school I was allowed to do my own thing mostly playing Repton or Grannys
Garden on the old BBC Micros.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:34 Post subject: |
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Back in the days (so, about three to four years ago) when we in Germany still had the "Diplom" degree it was a whole lot easier. You had more time for your time (My number of terms prescribed for the completion of a course is 6 semesters for the bachelor and four for the master degree) but when the Diplom was still around they had about 12 or 14 semesters, not too sure on the correct number.
With the Diplom still around you scored a 4.0 on an exam an you passed.
If I pass a exam with a 4.0 it's shitty but manageable. But as soon as I hit two, three or four exams with a 4.0 I'm pretty fucked because now all your exam scores count toward the score you get in your bachelor's degree. And if my Bachelor's degree is under 3.1 (which it looks like it could pretty much happen) I am not allowed to pursue my master degree on the same university. (And with the Diplom nobody cared about your exam scores).
If I switch university and managed to get my bachelor's degree with a 3.0 or better I would have no problems getting back into the uni I am at right now to get my master degree.
That's basically the only reason I'm thinking about switching university.
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i never understand deadlines like that.. surely its better to give people plenty of time to show what they can really do than to rush it and make them spend less time on it rushing to get it done before deadline. The world should just slow the fuck down.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:41 Post subject: |
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Computer science the way it is teached at German unis is pure theory mixed with an overdose of mathematics and programming C and Assembler. If this is not your thing I would advise you to take a closer look at FH's or even better BA's. With BA's you even get paid to go to classes, and you only have to study for six months a year. It's tough getting into though.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:41 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | uni is balls. in todays world, any information you want is on the internet. want to learn how to do something? google it, learn it, sell it as a trade/service online. problem solved. |
this is total bullshit. it's totally true, heck i do it all the time, but totally the wrong answer to this problem. you're in a good uni, step the fuck up son. if you can't do this, then what. can. you. do?
okay so that's a little harsh, i'll admit, but seriously it's hard, yes. if you wanna do something else, fair enough. go figure out what you want to do and come back in a couple years or even decades later or never. giving up because it's hard is not something to agree with.
more importantly, go out tonight, have that fun you're missing goddamn it, cause i know first hand the downsides of not being in a good uni.
lol at being a string of fuckups. as if. i know your ragin atm and you'll think different tommorow, but you probably got a lot going for you. failing uni is small change. you got into the damn uni to begin with for crying out loud.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 11:50 Post subject: |
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| Submiqent wrote: | | wgem wrote: | | uni is balls. in todays world, any information you want is on the internet. want to learn how to do something? google it, learn it, sell it as a trade/service online. problem solved. |
this is total bullshit. it's totally true, heck i do it all the time, but totally the wrong answer to this problem. you're in a good uni, step the fuck up son. if you can't do this, then what. can. you. do?
okay so that's a little harsh, i'll admit, but seriously it's hard, yes. if you wanna do something else, fair enough. go figure out what you want to do and come back in a couple years or even decades later or never. giving up because it's hard is not something to agree with.
more importantly, go out tonight, have that fun you're missing goddamn it, cause i know first hand the downsides of not being in a good uni.
lol at being a string of fuckups. as if. i know your ragin atm and you'll think different tommorow, but you probably got a lot going for you. failing uni is small change. you got into the damn uni to begin with for crying out loud. |
Hw is it bullshit 
I quit college in 2007, learned more about web development online, designed some websites + now 2 years later I make $60 an hour on most jobs. I guess you can call me 'new age' in a way.. yet im also very old age in how I think a person should earn a living. I cant handle working for a boss who treats me like shit so I became my own boss and sold a service Im a self made guy and im proud of it. I didnt go to uni but I earn more money now than %50 of people that come out of it without even going in the first place.
The only reason to go to uni in 2009 + is to get a piece of paper to prove to some douchebag employer you have a degree and can do this and that. on paper. Well i say fuck that shit. why should you prove yourself to some cunt? go self employed and do it on your own. you cant say your going to learn stuff, as its a waste of time, costs money + you can learn shit free online.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 12:04 Post subject: |
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Well if you love what you're studying than it's not that hard to sacrifice some of your time to study.
I love what I'm studying, but it's damn hard! I fall in ''depression'' every day for like 10 min, talking to myself: I'm not gonna make it, it's hard, blah, blah... But then I look around and say: If others could do it I can do too. I'm not any stupider then they are! Hell I think I'm pretty smart  So I get together, and made myself learn things, no matter how hard they seem to be.
It is true that in some areas you don't need to go to uni, but then you need to be very creative It's easier to know that each month you'll get salary, even if you have stupid boss, imo.
And in the end if that doesn't interest you, you can always change uni, it's better to find sth that you like and you know you want to do, then do sth that you don't like. Because you don't want to be miserable for the rest of your life...
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 12:40 Post subject: |
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Just all that math and theoretical crap fucks me over, I mean, I enrolled into computer science and not math because some of the things we are supposed to learn and understand are clearly taken from math courses.
Most of the math stuff I only have to learn so I don't completly fail the following math classes (like I'm doing right now)
I'm pretty sure I'm done with the math classes after the fourth semester but I can't go through the exams and just barely pass them because that in turn fucks up the score of my degree.
With the 4th semester it gets a lot more modular. Your free to chose a couple of classes and there you can actually decide which direction you wanna go into but like I said I can't just barely make it till then because it'll screw me over in the end.
I'm still pissed about that system. I mean, I see what they tried with that to get people to get done faster, don't waste as much time as they did up to now but seriously?
They just made it much, much harder to a point where people like me actually struggle to barely even make it.
For fuck's sake, I got into this course because I wanted to learn how to design software, I don't give too much a fuck about the hardware workings of a computer (although it's rather interesting), I don't care about how to mathematically prove if a program works. Damn, companies have test departments for that nowadays anyway.
It's like I'm not learning to get a job, it's like I'm learning to go into the science department, research. But that was and will never be my goal but that's what they want to teach me to do.
At least that's how I feel about that
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 13:34 Post subject: |
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hey mate, same shit here...just austria and molecular biology instead of germany and IT - at least i'm still in the old diplomstudienplan instead of the new and completely fucked up bachelor/master system. it's just too much dry shit until you get to the interesting stuff and if you fail some exams here, you automatically lose a whole semester or even a year, not to speak of all the kinds of obstacles the uni puts in my way.
my advice: stick with it and at least get the bachelor degree, as it makes getting a visa in another country much, much easier if you want to go abroads sometime. but if the uni studies just drag you down and you're genuinely bored with it (not just ADSing) while thinking how much you'd like to work in another field - drop it, as just changing unis won't do anything and pursue other things. an uni degree is always nice to have, but it means jack shit in terms of job security and overall happiness.
in my case, i had to choose between getting my diplom in the next 2 years (and the phd after that) and then spending 60 hours a week in the next best laboratory for about 1,7K€ a month the next 40 years. or just simply going freelance while working on my own startup company and finishing my diplom bit by bit on the side (after all, i like to bring things i've started to an end). didn't even have to think twice
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 17:13 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | i never understand deadlines like that.. surely its better to give people plenty of time to show what they can really do than to rush it and make them spend less time on it rushing to get it done before deadline. The world should just slow the fuck down. |
Well if you cant handle a single uni deadline how will you handle work later? Unless you are working at a construction site or a assembly line, you will have like a zillion deadlines and will have to do multiple things together. And i agree that most of the info will not be in the courses that you followed, but at least your employer knows you can study new stuff you did not understand in the first place and you can handle time pressure. That is what is all about...
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 17:32 Post subject: |
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big difference between work and studying is that you get paid. (yes the argument of studying to earn more later on comes to mind but its to slow for most people).
When i work i finish well in time, when i study i start the day before. weird
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 21:28 Post subject: |
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| wgem wrote: | | uni is balls. in todays world, any information you want is on the internet. want to learn how to do something? google it, learn it, sell it as a trade/service online. problem solved. |
this is what you would call 'bad advice', and an extremely narrow view on what constitutes a career.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 21:35 Post subject: |
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Nah, in school programming was always the most fun I had, I admit it was mainly java-script, pascal and shit like that but it was fun nonetheless.
Always wanted to teach myself C or C++ but never came around to it. If I had the time right now, I'd teach myself PHP and get around to learn stuff about MySQL but a) I don't have the time and b) I wouldn't even know where to start on that.
I mean, the languages we learn in the classes are Java, Prolog and freaking Haskell
I hate Java because it's a RAM eating whore that loves his Garbage Collector way too much... and the other ones are just outdated.
Somewhere along the line we're supposed to learn how an assembler works, so that might be fun.
But in terms of programming languages that are fun we ain't got that much...
btw. did I mention that I hate Java? Y? Because it sucks monkey balls...
@swingman:
It's not that I don't have the right... mind-set if you wanna call it, to solve the mathematical problems - I can think logic and sorta step-wise, it's just I can't get all those formulas and rules and whatever in my head because it's just too much of a subject I'm not on too friendly terms with.
In my Analysis class I somewhere stopped understanding anything because the professor was just an old geezer who didn't explain shit, his assistants were just as useless and the study groups we had - headed by math students - were useless as well because for somebody studying math the stuff we had to put up with was easy as cake, but they never understand that it isn't that easy for us.
So in parts I blame it on them that I didn't understand jack shit.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 21:41 Post subject: |
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Here you need to know what you're doing (in math) but you can have little help like Bronstein or some simple formulas on an A4 paper.
"Quantum mechanics is actually, contrary to it's reputation, unbeliveably simple, once you take the physics out."
Scott Aaronson | chiv wrote: | | thats true you know. newton didnt discover gravity. the apple told him about it, and then he killed it. the core was never found. |
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Perhaps university level computer science isn't for you?
In Canada we have universities and colleges, the latter being for more hands-on type learning and less theoretical stuff. I imagine you have the same thing in Germany?
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 21:49 Post subject: |
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uni is expensive, takes lots of time and not necessary unless you want some AAA job, at least here in Norway. (if you got some other education that is^^ )
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 21:59 Post subject: |
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| nouseforaname wrote: | Perhaps university level computer science isn't for you?
In Canada we have universities and colleges, the latter being for more hands-on type learning and less theoretical stuff. I imagine you have the same thing in Germany? |
Here we have Universities which are for the more theoretical stuff and something called Fachhochschule which takes a more practical approach to the subject but if you make your degree in a Fachhochschule that's "worth" a whole lot less than a uni degree at least that's what I heard and what you're told all the time
But than again it's only a "problem" the first couple of times you apply for a job, after having been employed a couple of times nobody cares where you made your degree just that you have it (same as it is with the school grades)
@deelix:
money isn't that much of a problem, I've got a student loan running so that's not that big of a problem and in terms of repayment it's not even that demanding.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 22:25 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | | it's just I can't get all those formulas and rules and whatever in my head because it's just too much of a subject I'm not on too friendly terms with. |
That kind of thinking can feed on itself and become a self-fulfilling prophecy. You hate maths so you give up too easily leading to you getting even worse at it. Start from the other side and think you're going to crack it.
As for blaming the professor, that argument would be valid if the whole class was getting the same results as you. And even if it was true it's still not an excuse you can use in the exam. Try reading ahead of the class. For example read today what you're going to study tomorrow in class. That way you'll already understand parts of it and what you don't get you can ask questions about in class.
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Apr 2009 22:53 Post subject: |
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Try BA. 3 years and you'll have alot of practice and you'll earn money.
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Apr 2009 01:53 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | | nobody cares where you made your degree just that you have it. |
so fucking true. just beeing able to show a degree opens a lot of work doors |
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Apr 2009 12:11 Post subject: |
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| Reklis wrote: | | Here we have Universities which are for the more theoretical stuff and something called Fachhochschule which takes a more practical approach to the subject but if you make your degree in a Fachhochschule that's "worth" a whole lot less than a uni degree at least that's what I heard and what you're told all the time |
That's not the case anymore now that the new bachlor/master system is in place. Even with a Bsc from a BA you can straight go to uni and persue your PhD if you have good grades.
And German unis are all about science and theories. If you ask professors they will tell you that it's not their goal to prepare you for professional life but for a career in science and research. I made the mistake thinking that courses in Hauptstudium were more "hands-on" and generally more interesting, but I was wrong. In the end I just finished uni to get the damn degree, it was boring as hell.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Apr 2009 16:20 Post subject: |
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The problem is that lots of ppl take higher education, and companies mostly hire ppl with higher education. Unless they got looots of working experience in the right area.
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| Posted: Fri, 17th Apr 2009 16:26 Post subject: |
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Then again there's always the possibility of starting your own company but look at how flodded the IT line of business is there's almost no room unless you have some really good marketing or an idea that nobody had before ^^
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