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Przepraszam
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what? US changed? This country will be always driven by hatred, greediness and jealousy..
I don't get why people are still beating this dead horse...any one made any documentaries how when Tsunami killed 200,000 change the whole world? perhaps it was terrorists who throw a bomb up in the ocean to move tectonic plates
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 03:33 Post subject: |
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Watcht he documentary's lol, loads of new footage straight from the start..
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 03:50 Post subject: |
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I think it is kind of arrogant to think that someone would find unseen footage years after the disaster. What would make that person so special and unique that he has access to unseen footage? There are 6 billion people in this world, and you belief this would have stayed under the radar for more 7 years if it were soooooooo important?
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 04:14 Post subject: |
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Watch the documentary lol, as I've said and tell me if you have seeen parts of the footage before?
I've just watched the 1st part and the loads of bits that i have not seen before.
You maybe different?
Who knows?
Yes it is arrogant to conceal footage i agree.
Look at the pentagon attacks.
They never released the hotel footage until years after.
And that was shitty evidence to say the best.
Why wasn't it released for do long?
They still won't reopen the 9/11 enquiry, it wasn't fully investigated.
Why won't they answer the questions and release the evidence?
It took them years no doubt to get hold of out takes for this doc.
Probably more key stuff or other evidence has still not been released.
Who knows?
Time will tell.
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some footage took years to be released for public. 
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 04:32 Post subject: |
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maybe there is nothing to investigate... i dont understand what can be hard to release. Just put a tape in the 'public' box.
Who taped it? some secret cameras in ny? or some guy or a tv station? I guess, unless the NSA taped it themselves, there is no reason it should not be public. if i tape it, i release it, i guess someone else does the same...
So your secret tapes, who taped it and why did they keep it secret??
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 05:11 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | | maybe there is nothing to investigate... i dont understand what can be hard to release. Just put a tape in the 'public' box? |
Some things really aren't meant for the public eye. Especially footage like that.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 05:46 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: |
Who taped it? some secret cameras in ny? or some guy or a tv station? I guess, unless the NSA taped it themselves, there is no reason it should not be public. if i tape it, i release it, i guess someone else does the same...
So your secret tapes, who taped it and why did they keep it secret?? |
Most of the CCTV camera's near the impact sites for both the trade centres and the pentagon had their footage confiscated. It would be easy for the American security agencies to pretend this data never existed.
As for personal video, well I guess that depends on how they tried to release it. But like you say I can imagine it would be difficult to stop it from going public.
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yea, let's milk every tragedy and controversy for all it's worth
if we won't, the terrorists win!
it's like those documentaries about celebreties, telling fans what they already know, but makes them feel good about it nonetheless
except for an entire country
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 13:57 Post subject: |
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| spankie wrote: | | Frant wrote: | | Quote: | | So your secret tapes, who taped it and why did they keep it secret?? |
Perhaps the owner tried to get a lot of money for it, and after failing to find anyone interested in paying millions he just released it?  |
yeah, thats what i meant... But the topic started makes it look like the FBI or NSA or whatever super power is putting it away because it can not be released... But thats obviously not the case... Hoax crap once again, it is USA, it is all about the money... no conspiracy or whatever, get over it... |
Would you say "get over it", if it was you're mum, dad, sister, brother or whoever who died in these attacks?
I very much doubt it.
All everyone is asking for is the truth, a full investigation, once that happens, people can put there problems to rest.
It needs real investigation, it has not happened.
Why won't they fully investigate it?
Obviously there is something to cover up?
From 9/11, everyone knows, the world changed for the worst, wars started, never ending ones at that.
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Maybe they did fully investigate it and people didn't get the answers they wanted cause they watched all those loose change videos and other anti-government propaganda and doubt anything the government will tell them.
it's easy to lie to the public. Planes crashed. People died. People responsible for it are dead unless the airbags on a plane are made out of jesus' buttocks. What else is there to investigate. You guys really think it'll solve any problems 'caused by the attacks? People died. People continue dying. It won't stop. Damage is already done.
People who want answers to these things really need to stop watching bull shit and listen to what the government tells them. Even if it's a lie. Even if it's a cover up. 'Cause from the damage you've all done by trying to open you eyes to the 'truth' regardless of what the government tells you, you'll still be skeptical. So really what's the point asking for the truth if you won't at all believe it?
For all you know they might not have been lying at all.
All those loose change videos. Those videos i can't even pronounce are just using the 'truth' to bleed hearts out of money. 
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 14:49 Post subject: |
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: |
Would you say "get over it", if it was you're mum, dad, sister, brother or whoever who died in these attacks?
I very much doubt it.
All everyone is asking for is the truth, a full investigation, once that happens, people can put there problems to rest.
It needs real investigation, it has not happened.
Why won't they fully investigate it?
Obviously there is something to cover up?
From 9/11, everyone knows, the world changed for the worst, wars started, never ending ones at that. |
that is exactly the point to just let it go...how about you go to these people and tell them " hey we got a great fucking news..it was not terrorists who killed your loved ones...it was the GOVERNMENT..heck yes! all that tax dollar money went to good cause? VIVA LA UNCLE SAM and guess what YOU SHALL BE THE NEXT ONE"
some things should be just let go unless it was Watchmen IRL..save 3 thousands to save 250 million people
I mean ask yourself, do you seriously want to truth?what if government was somehow involved, do you even know what kind of chaos would become of country? I guess we could have watchmen come and save us but they shall say nooo and kill us instead |
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 15:05 Post subject: |
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: |
From 9/11, everyone knows, the world changed for the worst, wars started, never ending ones at that. |
9/11 did not matter for shit when it comes to USA's foreign policy. It was a catalyst sure but the events that followed 9/11 would have transpired non the less.
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Well then if it is the truth, why did they do it knowing the consequences of it?
I think the family's want the truth, you have answered you're own question there.
They want the people who caused to attacks to be put to justice.
Look at the way the world has gone since 9/11, if it was an inside job( i personally think it was an inside job),then they have hell of alot more to answer to then 9/11.
Just my opinion, i am allowed it so don't start mumbling on about being a conspiracy nut etc.
All to there own.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th Mar 2009 15:07 Post subject: |
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| javlar wrote: | | gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: |
From 9/11, everyone knows, the world changed for the worst, wars started, never ending ones at that. |
9/11 did not matter for shit when it comes to USA's foreign policy. It was a catalyst sure but the events that followed 9/11 would have transpired non the less. |
How so, explain yourself?
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102.Minutes.That.Changed.America-HDTV.XviD-FQM released 13/09/2008
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | Well then if it is the truth, why did they do it knowing the consequences of it?
I think the family's want the truth, you have answered you're own question there.
They want the people who caused to attacks to be put to justice.
Look at the way the world has gone since 9/11, if it was an inside job( i personally think it was an inside job),then they have hell of alot more to answer to then 9/11.
Just my opinion, i am allowed it so don't start mumbling on about being a conspiracy nut etc.
All to there own. |
You should have no problems believing The Obama Deception then.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Mar 2009 13:32 Post subject: |
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| Big_Gun wrote: | | gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | Well then if it is the truth, why did they do it knowing the consequences of it?
I think the family's want the truth, you have answered you're own question there.
They want the people who caused to attacks to be put to justice.
Look at the way the world has gone since 9/11, if it was an inside job( i personally think it was an inside job),then they have hell of alot more to answer to then 9/11.
Just my opinion, i am allowed it so don't start mumbling on about being a conspiracy nut etc.
All to there own. |
You should have no problems believing The Obama Deception then. |
Have you watched it?
If so, I'll say no more.
Anyway, whilst alot is ott, alot are facts too.
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | | javlar wrote: | | gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: |
From 9/11, everyone knows, the world changed for the worst, wars started, never ending ones at that. |
9/11 did not matter for shit when it comes to USA's foreign policy. It was a catalyst sure but the events that followed 9/11 would have transpired non the less. |
How so, explain yourself? |
What I mean is that you can't blame 9/11 for Iraq. 9/11 just served as a rallying event which enabled the US to invade Iraq a bit earlier. If there were no 9/11 the US would still have invaded Iraq perhaps only a bit later.
The reason for the Iraq war was WMD's, oil, major corporation interests and some weird little vendetta thing between Saddam and W. There might be more ofc and sure the official reason beyond WMD's was to free the Iraqi people from Saddam.
Add 9/11 to that mix and you don't get a good new reason to invade Iraq (Afghanistan sure but not Iraq) all you get is a bloodthirsty populace.
So to cut it short Iraq would have happened non the less.
The Afghani war however would not have happened but that is a war that is a lot less controversial since it's being fought with major parts of the Afghani population on the American side and of course there are no real interests in the Afghan land or its natural resources from the Americans. Another reason the war is low key is that America wants to find Bin Laden and that's all there is to it. If they find him they won't give a fuck about the remaining Talibans they will just say mission accomplished and go home.
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 there's a between being a conspiracy nut, having an opinion or being someone who wants to know the truth.
blaming the government is the easiest thing to do. terrorists couldn't have done it because all the loose change and zeitgeist videos out there say otherwise. And they state their facts in a nice, calm way so that they're easier to believe. seriously.
When I say listen to the government. I say listen to the government. If you want the truth you'll get the truth they're willing to give you. You'll get the truth that's made for the public. Can't deal with that? Then stop asking for it. Cause simply you won't believe what they say. And the moment they'll lie to you and say they're 100% responsible for it, you'll believe them. What happened, happened. People were given the truth. They just couldn't accept it because videos like loose change and zeitgaist clouded them. And that's fucked up.
It's fucking annoying when kids want to know the truth and they won't accept it because it doesn't fit their ideas. Like, seriously? It's not having an opinion, it's being too stupid to let videos and other conspiracy theorist (those fat WOW players with tin hats) mold your brain and you actually believe you're thinking for yourself. You know how pathetic that is? You can watch all those videos but letting them somehow shape you... well that's just... horrible.
Because of some conspiracy kids, people constantly ask the government for the truth. Nobody will ever get closure. And that's sad. That's really sad.
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Honestly. I'd rather be blind than pretend I can see. Seriously.
Looking at the extremes doesn't help either.
Governments do fuck up.
But if you expect them to give you the truth, you somewhat have to believe what they're saying. Look at both sides of everything.
Then make up your mind.
Right now you're looking at the extremes.
Government is all evil. Conspiracies are all correct.
I mean what the fuck guy?
I may not be brainwashed by the government or those loose change videos. All I see is that people who are asking for the 'truth' have been forced to watch those loose change videos, and with the image of their loved ones buried under all that concrete, they have to believe it. They begin hating the government. This this and that. Is that justifiable? It's like finding a girl who's been raped, befriending her, and then weeks after the incident asking her to describe the rape to you in vivid detail and then you re-enact it. I mean come on. What's the point? The government told us what happened. We saw what happened. I'm sticking with that. I don't have the need to know every minute detail of why what happened. All I know is that it happened. People died. They should be mourned/honored/respected. Leave it at that. Dwelling on tragic events in history is horrible. It leaves you desensitized to future events that may occur.
Kids these days look at the holocaust and laugh. Kids look at 9/11 and they laugh. Conspiracy theories destroy and diminish the importance of each event by shoving unimportant things down your throat. And you focus more on that rather than the actual event.
a: 9/11 was indeed a tragic moment in American history.
b: Nah, it was a tragic event in the history of architecture. Nowhere ever has it been seen that steel which burns and melts at this specific temperature actually burnt and melted at much lower temperature. Fascinating.
a: go fuck yourself!
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| Posted: Wed, 25th Mar 2009 15:48 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Right now you're looking at the extremes.
Government is all evil. Conspiracies are all correct.
I mean what the fuck guy? |
I have never said conspiracy's are all correct, not once.
They are correct on things, and alot of what they say is made up shite, like all that lizard bollocks, pathetic all that shit.
I've never said that the government is evil, but soon waldo, just wait the way things are going, they want everyone to serve them, when in fact, they should be serving us not the other way round.
Keep letting them off with all they stuff they do without explanation or real inquiry.
Nobody has answered that bill question that i said about all American soon will "have to" do service in the army.
Why do they want this?
Because these wars that are going on and on are going to be larger and larger, they won't stop, they say they will, but all they are doing is taking troops from 1 country i.e Iraq, and putting them in Afghanistan, Pakistan or Iran will be next.
Not a single voice has been said about the time in service everyone will have to do.
Everyone is letting them go freely and do as they please.
It can only hurt us all in 1 way or the other if it continues.
| Quote: | Kids these days look at the holocaust and laugh. Kids look at 9/11 and they laugh. Conspiracy theories destroy and diminish the importance of each event by shoving unimportant things down your throat. And you focus more on that rather than the actual event.
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Conspiracy theories ask for the explanation of an event, not always i agree, but they ask for further explanation, which everyone hides against.
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Lmao, Bin Laden, another ploy to goto war, i accept he is a radical asshole, but when the cards are against the government and there against the wall, they always seem to pull this dick out of the bag.
He's dead in my opinion, has been for a long long time.
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