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WaldoJ
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009 19:24 Post subject: |
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| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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CaptainCox
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009 19:29 Post subject: |
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Hahaha, the hand of God?  .
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Frant
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| Posted: Wed, 21st Jan 2009 20:54 Post subject: |
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Haha, some very lucky people!!!!
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 03:13 Post subject: |
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There is no such thing as luck.
What, you believe in santa too?
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 12:22 Post subject: |
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I consider it luck when low-propability events occur.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 14:12 Post subject: |
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| VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | I consider it luck when low-propability events occur. |
That's a definition I suppose might be suitable, but what about "Oh, you're just lucky", or "That's a lucky guy", "You are always lucky". All these expressions seem to revolve around the concept that some people are somehow changing probability. Which is what I disagree with.
Yes, there are people who get struck by lightning twice, and yes it's unlikely. But saying that person is "unlucky" is basically saying that the individual somehow is more likely to get struck by lightning than other people (perhaps the lucky ones?). It's a pretty slippery concept that takes away the fact that some people behave in a way which increases the probability for something to happen. Such as sitting in a boat in the middle of a lake while there's a thunderstorm, twice.
I think the whole concept of 'luck' is something losers make up to excuse themselves from trying harder (for instance at sports, the other team wasn't better - they were "lucky").
Also, it underlines the fact that a lot of people who talk about 'luck' are the same kind of people who believe in supernatural things. They blame their own failures on 'luck', and to some degree even their success. "Oh I achieved something today, I was lucky". It's basically the same concept as saying "Thank you God for letting me succeed". It gives 'luck' a sort of supernatural dimension which I think is, to be frank; a retarded thing.
There is no such thing as luck. If you mean something that happened was improbable, then say that instead of using some leprechaun/santa claus/voodoo magic shit-word. 
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LeoNatan
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 14:53 Post subject: |
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| dominae wrote: | | VGAdeadcafe wrote: | | I consider it luck when low-propability events occur. |
That's a definition I suppose might be suitable, but what about "Oh, you're just lucky", or "That's a lucky guy", "You are always lucky". All these expressions seem to revolve around the concept that some people are somehow changing probability. Which is what I disagree with.
Yes, there are people who get struck by lightning twice, and yes it's unlikely. But saying that person is "unlucky" is basically saying that the individual somehow is more likely to get struck by lightning than other people (perhaps the lucky ones?). It's a pretty slippery concept that takes away the fact that some people behave in a way which increases the probability for something to happen. Such as sitting in a boat in the middle of a lake while there's a thunderstorm, twice.
I think the whole concept of 'luck' is something losers make up to excuse themselves from trying harder (for instance at sports, the other team wasn't better - they were "lucky").
Also, it underlines the fact that a lot of people who talk about 'luck' are the same kind of people who believe in supernatural things. They blame their own failures on 'luck', and to some degree even their success. "Oh I achieved something today, I was lucky". It's basically the same concept as saying "Thank you God for letting me succeed". It gives 'luck' a sort of supernatural dimension which I think is, to be frank; a retarded thing.
There is no such thing as luck. If you mean something that happened was improbable, then say that instead of using some leprechaun/santa claus/voodoo magic shit-word. |
Why so serious? It's a manner of speaking, just as when someone says "I hope this and that happen." There is no good, so hoping is pointless, yet people use that word as well.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 15:12 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | Why so serious? It's a manner of speaking, just as when someone says "I hope this and that happen." There is no good, so hoping is pointless, yet people use that word as well. |
I am like George Carlin in the way that I think some things, some words are stupid. The fact that humans create little euphemisms to make themselves feel better about eg. their own responsibility pisses me off, just like when I beat someone at poker 13 times out of 15 games. And they say that "I'm a lucky guy", or "That was luck, come again another time and I'll show you".
If someone says it without really meaning it, then it's not any better. Because I am a guy who takes the old 'say what you mean, mean what you say' seriously. Why so serious? Hell, I think most things are quite the other way. Too much shit is taken too lightly. Why so unserious? What is it with people and being such cowards in front of responsibility for their own actions and words? "Oh I was only kidding around", sure... I appreciate humor too. But everything has it's place. I just think that 'luck' belongs to the same place as the leprechaun and wizards, unicorns and Santa Claus. And anyone who, seriously, think there is such a thing as luck - well, that's when you'll find me not to take that person seriously.
Do you believe in unicorns by the way? If you told me the reason why I won 10 poker games out of 12 versus you was because unicorns helped me. I'd hope they would send you away.
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Frant
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Sounds to me like it's a matter of semantics more than anything. To me luck is just an expression used to describe an event when something unexpectedly positive thing happens to someone, not that it's a part of destiny or that there's an intangible force affecting good or bad luck.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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LeoNatan
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Dominae, do you share the same passion for the word "hope?" Because you seem to use it here and there, and in my opinion "hope" is the same as "luck." While I agree with most of what you said, it's a bit too serious in a jokes section.
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| Posted: Thu, 22nd Jan 2009 17:04 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | | Sounds to me like it's a matter of semantics more than anything. To me luck is just an expression used to describe an event when something unexpectedly positive thing happens to someone, not that it's a part of destiny or that there's an intangible force affecting good or bad luck. |
Is that how it is? If so it's a very vague thing. If luck is meant as an improbable, positive event that occurs. Then why, semantically differentiate it from "that was improbable"? I think that what you say justifies the tradition of using the word, but not really the meaning behind it. I think the underlying meaning is that it somehow is beyond just the matter of improbability, and is something more. It most certainly is for a lot of people. They credit (as I mentioned previously) the improbable acts to something supernatural, "He had an angel watching over him" when there's someone who survived a car crash is used in the same kind of spirit as saying "he was lucky".
It's as with the leprechaun's four leaf clover; granting some sort of "modifier" (to use an RPG-related term) to the Luck-trait. There simply is no such thing. And using the expression 'luck' in my view is no different than saying "Thank you Jesus for saving me" or whatever else. There are probably a couple of faithless people who thank Jesus from time to time, and that bothers me as much. They say that this is not what they meant, but if not; why even say it?
Oh well, I suppose we will have to agree to disagree?
| iNatan wrote: | | Dominae, do you share the same passion for the word "hope?" Because you seem to use it here and there, and in my opinion "hope" is the same as "luck." While I agree with most of what you said, it's a bit too serious in a jokes section. |
I have mixed opinions about hope, on one hand I think it's an essential part of seeing the world around you, that you have absolutely no control over in a wishful light. Hope is really a wish. And while you (and particularly me) are aware of the probability, there is a chance that you get what you wish for.
Btw, this is not just the 'jokes section', it is: Jokes, Stories, Quotes, Web games and cool links. And it's on a discussion forum. Where the point is to discuss things. Not only jokingly, not only seriously. But generally.
On the other hand, I despise people who hold hope to high accord as a means to not take control of their lives. And 'I hope, if I'm lucky that this or that happens", in that sense hope is just as bad as luck. But then it's no longer about hope, it's no longer about the wish. It's about determinism. The notion that what occurs is beyond the control of the individual, what happens happens regardless of the will of the individual. And this is a really stupid notion to me. In my view we are in control of our actions, and hence responsible for the consequences of them. Then there clearly are things outside of our control that are under the effect of eg. probability. To me each individual has many means to affect any possible outcome which isn't definitely determined by chance (such as having a computer generating a random number). People who die in car crashes for instance put themselves in the car to begin with. People who die in war, held a weapon to begin with, etc. - our choices affect nearly everything around us, and the few other things that are outside of our control is something we can wish for. And in that regard I think hope is good.
Luck has nothing to do with that. Luck is as if there was a determined outcome that didn't fall under the laws of probability and human interaction. And hence something supernatural. And I do not believe in such nonsense.
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