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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/21/technology/21pedo.html?_r=1&sq=pedophiles%20civil%20rights%20&st=nyt&adxnnl=1&scp=1&adxnnlx=1230397262-0pei/8+13htPnaR+Cbi9WA
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At first blush, the two conversations — taking place almost simultaneously in different corners of the Internet — might have seemed unremarkable, even humdrum.
In April, with summer fast approaching, both groups of online friends chatted about jobs at children’s camps. Did anyone, one man asked, know of girls’ camps willing to hire adult males as counselors? Meanwhile, elsewhere in cyberspace, the second group celebrated the news that one of their own had been offered a job leading a boys’ cabin at a sleep-away camp.
But participants in the conversation did not focus on the work. “Hope you see some naked boys in your cabin,” a man calling himself PPC responded. “And good luck while restraining yourself from doing anything.”
The two groups were made up of self-proclaimed pedophiles — one attracted to under-age girls, the other to boys. Their dialogue runs at all hours in an array of chat rooms, bulletin boards and Web sites set up for adults attracted to children.
But it is no longer just chatter in the ether. What started online almost two decades ago as a means of swapping child pornography has transformed in recent years into a more complex and diversified community that uses the virtual world to advance its interests in the real one.
Today, pedophiles go online to seek tips for getting near children — at camps, through foster care, at community gatherings and at countless other events. They swap stories about day-to-day encounters with minors. And they make use of technology to help take their arguments to others, like sharing online a printable booklet to be distributed to children that extols the benefits of sex with adults.
The community’s online infrastructure is surprisingly elaborate. There are Internet radio stations run by and for pedophiles; a putative charity that raised money to send Eastern European children to a camp where they were apparently visited by pedophiles; and an online jewelry company that markets pendants proclaiming the wearer as being sexually attracted to children, allowing anyone in the know to recognize them.
These were the findings of a four-month effort by The New York Times to learn about the pedophiles’ online world by delving into their Internet communications. In recent months, new concerns have emerged about whether the ubiquitous nature of broadband technology, instant message communications and digital imagery is presenting new and poorly understood risks to children. Already, there have been many Congressional hearings on the topic, as well as efforts to write comprehensive legislation to address the issue.
But most of those efforts have focused on examining particular instances of harm to children. There have been few, if any, recent attempts to examine the pedophiles themselves, based on their own words to one another, to gain a better recognition of the nature of potential problems.
Last week, that world attracted new attention after reports that John M. Karr, who was arrested last Wednesday as a suspect in the 1996 murder of JonBenet Ramsey, apparently used Internet discussion sites intensively in efforts to communicate with children, sometimes about sex. In e-mail messages to a journalism professor that investigators believe were written by Mr. Karr, statements about children seemed to echo the online dialogue among pedophiles.
“Sometimes little girls are closer to me than with their parents or any other person in their lives,’’ the e-mail messages say. “I can only say that I can relate very well to children and the way they think and feel.’’
The recent conversations among pedophiles that were examined by The Times took place in virtual rooms in Internet Relay Chat, a text-based system allowing for real-time communications; on message boards on Usenet, which has postings by topic; and on Web sites catering to pedophiles.
In this online community, pedophiles view themselves as the vanguard of a nascent movement seeking legalization of child pornography and the loosening of age-of-consent laws. They portray themselves as battling for children’s rights to engage in sex with adults, a fight they liken to the civil rights movement. And while their effort has brought little success, they celebrated online in May when a small group of men in the Netherlands formed a pedophile political party, and they rejoiced again last month when a Dutch court upheld the party’s right to exist. |
'Human Rights' I've seen it called some things, but never human rights.
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| Quote: | | . They portray themselves as battling for children’s rights to engage in sex with adults, a fight they liken to the civil rights movement |
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2008 20:23 Post subject: |
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Ok....seriously, Im not a fan of capital punishment...but children fuckers should die....they are monsters. Kill em all. "Killin in the name of" Society.
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | Ok....seriously, Im not a fan of capital punishment...but children fuckers should die....they are monsters. Kill em all. "Killin in the name of" Society. |
Would you have said the same, if a 12-13 year old boy was having sex with a hot teacher in his school? Who haven't had fantasies about a hot teacher in school? And I have heard of numerous times of teachers sleeping with pupils. Or is it just those stereotypical a-la "Law & Order" and "CSI" grumpy old men who "fuck children"? |
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ya but that's different 
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| iNatan wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | Ok....seriously, Im not a fan of capital punishment...but children fuckers should die....they are monsters. Kill em all. "Killin in the name of" Society. |
Would you have said the same, if a 12-13 year old boy was having sex with a hot teacher in his school? Who haven't had fantasies about a hot teacher in school? And I have heard of numerous times of teachers sleeping with pupils. Or is it just those stereotypical a-la "Law & Order" and "CSI" grumpy old men who "fuck children"? |
exactly, thats different. I dont consider teens as...I dunno what the term is
when I say pedophile, I mean these ppl who fuck 3-9 year olds man....like at 12 i lost my virginity to a 16 year old ya know? |
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2008 21:28 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | iNatan wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | Ok....seriously, Im not a fan of capital punishment...but children fuckers should die....they are monsters. Kill em all. "Killin in the name of" Society. |
Would you have said the same, if a 12-13 year old boy was having sex with a hot teacher in his school? Who haven't had fantasies about a hot teacher in school? And I have heard of numerous times of teachers sleeping with pupils. Or is it just those stereotypical a-la "Law & Order" and "CSI" grumpy old men who "fuck children"? |
exactly, thats different. I dont consider teens as...I dunno what the term is
when I say pedophile, I mean these ppl who fuck 3-9 year olds man....like at 12 i lost my virginity to a 16 year old ya know? |
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To me someone who's 25-50 and sleeps/rapes a 12 y/o is also a pedophile, but it's not always black and white, so you can't just say "let's kill them all." I mean, is it that bad that someone who's older (say 25, but not 50) sleeps with someone young (say 13-14), is that OK when it's consensual? Can some at that age even be able to consent to such thing? This is a genuine question. To me it's not right, but maybe I'm old fashioned?  Kids these days seem to mature sexually much younger.
BTW Syco, I wasn't talking about sex between kids. There are no 16 y/o teachers. 
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2008 21:44 Post subject: |
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i think the thing is 14 year olds can love someone and want to have sex cause of that, but a 7 year old ? no way to both of that, under 12 no matter your own age is a chop dick case
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No, of course not, but still, saying kill someone because he is sick is not the solution. They are sick.
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2008 22:18 Post subject: |
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| iNatan wrote: | | No, of course not, but still, saying kill someone because he is sick is not the solution. They are sick. |
yup im against deathpentalty , its not about deserving or not, its like saying its not ok to be a pedo but its ok if we let you anal rape you everyday for 1 year
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| Posted: Sun, 28th Dec 2008 23:53 Post subject: |
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I can totally understand paedofiles as a fetish. Many, many never act on it and feel tormented with guilt. I genuinely feel sorry for them and hope they seek out professional care without being afraid of being judged.
People, whether male or female (more than you think) who act upon it deserve whatever the the justice system gives them. One too many bad experience with it myself.
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I believe pedophiles can't help to be such but certainly have the choice of hurting children or not. If we could find out what makes them this way perhaps we could even treat it by subduing such urges. But they certainly should be punished if they hurt a child.
As for the female teacher and the male student scenario its just as wrong. A person who is meant to help guide the child has no right to take advantage of him and to think that somehow if the pedophile is a woman that its okay is just idiotic.
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | I believe pedophiles can't help to be such but certainly have the choice of hurting children or not. If we could find out what makes them this way perhaps we could even treat it by subduing such urges. But they certainly should be punished if they hurt a child.
As for the female teacher and the male student scenario its just as wrong. A person who is meant to help guide the child has no right to take advantage of him and to think that somehow if the pedophile is a woman that its okay is just idiotic. |
well if the guy is like 15 ( as is mostly the case ) and having sex with his female teacher i dont know what the problem is cause 1. they are sexually ready 2. can decide for themself if they want to or not.
in the term kids i understand under the age of 12 where there is no excuse possible
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| iNatan wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | Ok....seriously, Im not a fan of capital punishment...but children fuckers should die....they are monsters. Kill em all. "Killin in the name of" Society. |
Would you have said the same, if a 12-13 year old boy was having sex with a hot teacher in his school? Who haven't had fantasies about a hot teacher in school? And I have heard of numerous times of teachers sleeping with pupils. Or is it just those stereotypical a-la "Law & Order" and "CSI" grumpy old men who "fuck children"? |
personally, i dont consider a a person a child at age 12 or 13. At age 12, I knew what sex was, I knew about precautions and all that and yeah, I lost my virginity to an 18 year old (tho she thought i was 14).
When I say pedophile I mean sicko's who fuck 8 year olds and under.
At 12, you should know about sex. If not, your parents shelter you. My parents, well, my dad mostly, explained sex to me when i was 10. He told me how it works, about condomms etc
And my brother has done the same with my niece. She knows all about it. So she's ahead of the game. She knows alot of guys, when she gets to highschool in a couple of years, are out just to fuck and knows not to fall for it. My brother told her no sex before she's 18. I told her no earlier than 16. Just cause she's my niece and really, I'd like it if she became a nun and never had sex lol BUt when she has a dad like my brother, who is super strict when it comes to my niece (his first born and his only daughter), it encourages her to rebel, in a sense. Dad says "No sex before 18". Once she's 12 or 13 (she's really mature for her age as it is) she's gunna wanna rebel and of course its gunna be to have sex. And as much as I dont like the idea of her having sex, I know she will. BUt she promised me (me and her are super close and she listens to me, like really listens to me) that she will wait till she's 16 and that she's with a boyfriend and that she's not pressured into in.
So I know she wont be fucking like I did at 12.
And btw, in regards to your teach comment, when I was 14 I slept with a 26 year old and she knew how old I was. She didnt take advantage of me, didnt trick me or rape me etc It was consensual. I knew what I was doing and I wanted to.
And then when I was 15 I fucked a 23 year old. And then when I was 17, I fucked a 30 year old.
Pedophilia is about taking young children who dont know anything about sex. All they care about is action figures or barbies or kid music and forcing them to do oral or intercourse.
Those ppl should be killed or castrated...anyone who finds an 8 year old sexy has problems.
Like 8 year olds are cute, they are kids, of course they are cute. But not in a sexual way.
nd plus, alot of pedo's like kids even younger than 8...like 3-5 year olds...your telling me those guys dont deserve to die or atleast be castrated?
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| Stefan F wrote: | well if the guy is like 15 ( as is mostly the case ) and having sex with his female teacher i dont know what the problem is cause 1. they are sexually ready 2. can decide for themself if they want to or not.
in the term kids i understand under the age of 12 where there is no excuse possible |
How many 15 year old boys do you know that are mature enough for sex? Their physical capabilities aren't the concern. Hell to be honest many guys in their young twenties aren't even mature enough to make the right decisions like using protection and wisely choosing partners. 25% of teens today have STDs now that's 1 in 4 and you think they are mature enough?
Now your little ending sentence is simply disturbing. 12?! Not even all males are even physically ready at that age and you think they should be having sexual acts?
Also notice the double standard if we were talking about a male teacher and a female 12 year old you wouldn't support that would you? Or if both parties were male. As if gender and sexuality really matters.
Now Syco your even more disturbing 8 and under? So if a 32 year old went out and fucked a 9 year old you would be okay with this? For fuck sakes am I the only one who sees a problem with this!?
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| NuclearShadow wrote: | | Stefan F wrote: | well if the guy is like 15 ( as is mostly the case ) and having sex with his female teacher i dont know what the problem is cause 1. they are sexually ready 2. can decide for themself if they want to or not.
in the term kids i understand under the age of 12 where there is no excuse possible |
How many 15 year old boys do you know that are mature enough for sex? Their physical capabilities aren't the concern. Hell to be honest many guys in their young twenties aren't even mature enough to make the right decisions like using protection and wisely choosing partners. 25% of teens today have STDs now that's 1 in 4 and you think they are mature enough?
Now your little ending sentence is simply disturbing. 12?! Not even all males are even physically ready at that age and you think they should be having sexual acts?
Also notice the double standard if we were talking about a male teacher and a female 12 year old you wouldn't support that would you? Or if both parties were male. As if gender and sexuality really matters.
Now Syco your even more disturbing 8 and under? So if a 32 year old went out and fucked a 9 year old you would be okay with this? For fuck sakes am I the only one who sees a problem with this!? |
where do i say i approve or say they SHOULD have sex?
I simply drew the line where for me there is a case of pedofelia, and for me punishment is needed for anyone who does anything with someone age 12 or below no matter what.
Im sure the 15 year old guy didnt get traumatizedby having sex wiht his teacher.... as bill maher would put it, he would gladly trade his expieriences of getting beaten up in school at age 15 for having sex with his teacher.
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Pedophilia (note the correct spelling):
* The sexual interest is toward pre-pubescent youth only. This interest does not extend to the first signs of pubic hair.
* The sexual interest is toward pre-pubescent youths only and does not include teenagers.
* The sexual interest remains over time.
"Diagnostic criteria for 302.2 Pedophilia":
* A. Over a period of at least 6 months, recurrent, intense sexually arousing fantasies, sexual urges, or behaviors involving sexual activity with a prepubescent child or children (generally age 13 years or younger);
* B. The person has acted on these sexual urges, or the sexual urges or fantasies cause marked distress or interpersonal difficulty;
* C. The person is at least age 16 years and at least 5 years older than the child or children in Criterion A.
Just to make it clear what is pedophilia and what isn't for the sake of the discussion.
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There is more than one spelling for it.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/paedophilia
Anyway, I think in the UK if an adult has any sexual contact with someone 12 or under it is statutory rape, but not sure if any sexual contact with someone 15 or under requires the person to sign the sexual offenders register.
The case is more about grown adults having sexual contact with children, which just isnt ok, no matter which way you dress it. But where is the line? a 16 year old having sex with a 14 year old? That doesn't seem so bad. How about an 18 year old, or a 21 year old havikng sex with a 14 year old, now to me that seems a lot worse.
Now what these dick heads are talking about is the kids 'human right' to have sex, or in normal people speak 'we want to fuck kids' which is bull shit. Now teenagers will have sex, there's no getting round that, but they should be educated about it, not given the right to go round fucking who they want. Luckily, they tend to keep it to their own ages groups and dont try to pull 50 year olds.
These creeps should be locked up, given intensive psychotherapy and when (after a very long time) they are released, kept a very very close eye on. The death sentence is just stupid, but that's another argument.
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| Quote: | | Now what these dick heads are talking about is the kids 'human right' to have sex, or in normal people speak 'we want to fuck kids' which is bull shit. |
It's of course total bullshit invented by politically engaged pedophiles to promote their sick urges which they don't see as wrong in any way. I've seen those sickos use pseudo-science to promote the idea that a 7-year old can and will have a fulfilling sexual relationship with a 50-year old man. Most of them probably even believe that in their sick minds, it's a psychological term of pushing their own desires onto the subject of their affection and personalize that subject with emotions that aren't there. It's sick and demented. I do feel sorry for those pedophiles that can master their urges, that see that it's wrong and live in complete chastity (as far as children is concerned) their entire lives. They're mentally ill but there's very little support they can get, people will hate them and fear them (which is a natural reaction). It's a tragic illness that can't be cured, and they will suffer all their lives. I suppose with better psychological treatment it would be easier for them to control their urges and repress them. I've even read about non-criminal pedophiles committing to voluntary chemical castration which helps them repress the urges as well.
However, the ones that give in to their urges and cross the line, they have no sympathies from me, they deserve to suffer the consequences and burn for what they've done.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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if someone messed with my kid, i'd kill.
A child has no choice, and has the natural right to play and not be afraid.
Any adult who abuses this goes against survival wisdom and the natural balance of things.
Killing the individual who abuses a childs trust restores the natural balance. Straight forward, just like 2+2 is 4 and not 22. ok.
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everyone has the right not to be afraid. Are you saying that every person that makes another person afraid should be killed? That's just stupid.
Putting people to death doesnt work. It's no deterrent.
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| iNatan wrote: | To me someone who's 25-50 and sleeps/rapes a 12 y/o is also a pedophile, but it's not always black and white, so you can't just say "let's kill them all." I mean, is it that bad that someone who's older (say 25, but not 50) sleeps with someone young (say 13-14), is that OK when it's consensual? Can some at that age even be able to consent to such thing? This is a genuine question. To me it's not right, but maybe I'm old fashioned? Kids these days seem to mature sexually much younger.
BTW Syco, I wasn't talking about sex between kids. There are no 16 y/o teachers. |
oh, well, I meant kids  when its 16 year olds and up and the guy is 20-23...its a grey area imo. Like if the parents consent its cool, if not then your taking a risk.
Funny this thread should come up. This guy I HATE but we are kinda friends if im out with someone else and he's there...but like I would never call him up or chill with him one on one.
Like, this may sound...elitest or whatever, but all my friends (guys and girls) are hot/good looking....and this guy is fuckin....man, he looks like a hairy penguin and laughs like a 5 year old girl. He annoys me and is a cock block you know?
Anyway, my best friend (from Van) went out with him like 2 days ago right and the penguin shows up with 2 girls. His girlfriend (some 18 year old, he's 27) and this other girl.
My best friend is 32 turning 33 in 09 right. And they drop by wanting me to go out with them and get their girls into a club (cuz I know tons of bouncers, trained most of em). I said no, Im not going out etc etc.
Anyway, long story short, they all got drunk and shit and the other girl (who was smokin but really really young looking, great ass tho right) was grindin up on my buddy and teasing his dick etc At the time, he thought she was 18, which is legal ya know? Anyway, he doesnt do anything with her and then the girls end up going home. The penguin and my boy go back to the penguin's house right. They get really smashed and the penguin guy (who knows and studied criminal law) goes on about how he hooked my boy up with a great piece of ass right, which was pissing my boy off cuz he's never had problems gettin girls, the penguin has.
Anyway, the penguin ends up blurting out the girl he setup for my boy was FIFTEEN years old dude. My boy freaked. Apparently, he punched him out and beat the shit outta his beamer (penguin is LOADED).
Dude, a 32 year old and a 15 year old.....thats so wrong....I told him thats basically paedophilia ya know? So he wont go near the penguin or that girl for the rest of the time he's here. He doesnt want to go to prison for something stupid like that....but in fairness, she looked and dressed like she was 18-21.
Girls/women are devious man
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| Frant wrote: | | Quote: | | Now what these dick heads are talking about is the kids 'human right' to have sex, or in normal people speak 'we want to fuck kids' which is bull shit. |
It's of course total bullshit invented by politically engaged pedophiles to promote their sick urges which they don't see as wrong in any way. I've seen those sickos use pseudo-science to promote the idea that a 7-year old can and will have a fulfilling sexual relationship with a 50-year old man. Most of them probably even believe that in their sick minds, it's a psychological term of pushing their own desires onto the subject of their affection and personalize that subject with emotions that aren't there. It's sick and demented. I do feel sorry for those pedophiles that can master their urges, that see that it's wrong and live in complete chastity (as far as children is concerned) their entire lives. They're mentally ill but there's very little support they can get, people will hate them and fear them (which is a natural reaction). It's a tragic illness that can't be cured, and they will suffer all their lives. I suppose with better psychological treatment it would be easier for them to control their urges and repress them. I've even read about non-criminal pedophiles committing to voluntary chemical castration which helps them repress the urges as well.
However, the ones that give in to their urges and cross the line, they have no sympathies from me, they deserve to suffer the consequences and burn for what they've done. |
Actually I think pedophilia can be beaten by time itself so long as the person doesn't give into their desires. But once they do any chance of going back is probably extremely slim. Much like a serial killer once they start they will never stop by their own will. But what if they simply never start killing or if the pedophile never does hurt a child? I believe the urges would begin to slowly fade away.
I think its safe to say their desires come from the prefrontal cortex. Now lets say Mr.X is addicted to nicotine anytime he even sees a cigarette this part of the brain will cause desirable emotions. But what happens when Mr.X has long kicked the habbit? That part of the brain may even see it as undesirable and keep Mr.X away from it.
Perhaps the pedophiles you speak of who resisted hurting a child aren't even really pedophiles anymore. They themselves knowing their past desires may even think that they still have the problem and may be fighting urges that aren't really there anymore.
For example I know a former alcoholic who will have a drink once in a while and not go overboard anymore. Now whats usually preached is once a alcoholic always a alcoholic and AA and such always say never touch another alcoholic drink again because you will just end up like before. Of course this simply can't be true as this person now drinks rarely and doesn't have a problem stopping at one or two beers. Him defeating Alcoholism totally defies what AA teaches.
"The alcoholic is a sick person suffering from a disease for which there is no known cure that is, no cure in the sense that he or she will ever be able to drink moderately, like a nonalcoholic, for any sustained period. Because it is an illness — a physical compulsion combined with a mental obsession to drink — the alcoholic must learn to stay away from alcohol completely in order to lead a normal life."
This man has no real desire to drink anymore and basically disproves that above which is the common belief about alcoholism. This leads me to believe that even a pedophile especially one who doesn't ever execute their desires could in time totally defeat it and may not even know that they have. Who knows how many alcoholics have beaten it but still call themselves one the pedophiles that you mention could be in the same boat.
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Pedophilia is a chronic mental illness, where sexuality have been severely distorted. It can't be "cured" just like homosexuality and any other paraphilia. It's not an addiction and can't be treated like it. A pedophile can only hope to learn to control these urges and never give in, which is why every government should have clinics with psychologists and various programs to help these people. It's in the interest of the society to help these people so they don't commit these horrible crimes. Unfortunately there's very little help to get, and the risk of being discovered by society puts a constant pressure on these people, a pressure that may even push them over the edge.
It's a tough problem. On one hand a pedophile that never gives in to his urges is as innocent as any other. He didn't ask to become a pedophile, it's basically a curse. On the other hand it's difficult for society to know which pedophiles are safe and which aren't (which is why national health programs for these people are so important) and nobody want to have a pedophile in their neighborhood if they have a family.
I read some report once where they stated the estimated number of pedophiles that crossed the line hovered around 5%. That leaves 95% of pedophiles that have to live a life with extreme inner torment, shame, fear of discovery and repression of strong urges. Basically their lives are hell. But as I said, we can't know which ones are prone to destroy the life of a child and which ones are in control of their urges. Thus to society they're all possible predators. Very tricky problem. The only solution I have is for governments to open nation wide programs for pedophiles to help them control their illness and increase their quality of life (which in turn helps them abstain). Criminal pedophiles have crossed the line and should forever be registered and controlled.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Dec 2008 10:19 Post subject: |
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| Frant wrote: | Pedophilia is a chronic mental illness, where sexuality have been severely distorted. It can't be "cured" just like homosexuality and any other paraphilia. It's not an addiction and can't be treated like it. A pedophile can only hope to learn to control these urges and never give in, which is why every government should have clinics with psychologists and various programs to help these people. It's in the interest of the society to help these people so they don't commit these horrible crimes. Unfortunately there's very little help to get, and the risk of being discovered by society puts a constant pressure on these people, a pressure that may even push them over the edge.
It's a tough problem. On one hand a pedophile that never gives in to his urges is as innocent as any other. He didn't ask to become a pedophile, it's basically a curse. On the other hand it's difficult for society to know which pedophiles are safe and which aren't (which is why national health programs for these people are so important) and nobody want to have a pedophile in their neighborhood if they have a family.
I read some report once where they stated the estimated number of pedophiles that crossed the line hovered around 5%. That leaves 95% of pedophiles that have to live a life with extreme inner torment, shame, fear of discovery and repression of strong urges. Basically their lives are hell. But as I said, we can't know which ones are prone to destroy the life of a child and which ones are in control of their urges. Thus to society they're all possible predators. Very tricky problem. The only solution I have is for governments to open nation wide programs for pedophiles to help them control their illness and increase their quality of life (which in turn helps them abstain). Criminal pedophiles have crossed the line and should forever be registered and controlled. |
I fully agree. Pedophilia, in by far the most cases, can't be cured (but of course, unlike homosexuality, there hasn't been much if any research by psychologists into this, so we're just going to have to assume it's like other paraphilia). With cognitive behavioral therapy, however, the results have been pretty positive regarding its effect it has on pedophiles. They learn to control their urges much better and easier on them, and I guess in the situation they're in it's an amazing relief to be able to talk to a (clinical) psychologist (or I guess in some cases a psychiatrist, but judging by the most I've talked to here all they're interested in is making money in cases where they could prescribe medicine). As I said, I really support your idea. I'm willing to bet that for every pedophile who acts upon it, there are at least three that don't.
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