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 Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 01:30 Post subject: Possible cure for cancer |
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The hospital i'm working in is considering clinical trials of a radical cancer treatment that, if successful, has the potential to eradicate cancer.
The treatment uses antibody conjugated gold nanoparticles to selectively bind to cancer cells allowing targeting by an argon ion laser which destroys only the cancer cells.
This technique was developed by an Egyptian / American scientist, Mostafa El-Sayed, and has proven to be 100% effective during animal trials.
If approved, this is going to be the first clinical trial in the world, and that's pretty darn cool 
http://nano.cancer.gov/news_center/nanotech_news_2005-10-17b.asp
http://www.chemistry.gatech.edu/faculty/El-Sayed/
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 01:42 Post subject: |
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wow, great work! I'm curious if it will turn out good!
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Lutzifer
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 01:54 Post subject: |
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i 've read about this before and hope that more than one of those "selective" methods will work on most - if not all - the known versions of cancer and we ll be one step closer to a methusalem society
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 02:13 Post subject: |
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cure for cancer and aids is very possible but it's not good for business...
gotta suck'em dry from their money before they die
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 02:41 Post subject: |
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Always the cynic eh Hfric.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 04:45 Post subject: |
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Unfortunately, I'd say it's realism.
Cancer is a billion dollar industry. It's the modern plague of the western civilization.
Finding a cure means not only do you remove all pharmaceutical competition, but private hospitals earning heaps of money from prolonged treatment programs will no longer have this massive earner.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 09:34 Post subject: |
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I don't believe for one second that if a cure for all cancers is found, that it will not be used purely because the pharmaceutical companies want to make more money.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 10:42 Post subject: |
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| GeordieRacer wrote: | | I don't believe for one second that if a cure for all cancers is found, that it will not be used purely because the pharmaceutical companies want to make more money. |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 11:18 Post subject: |
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Or it will be the other case: They will find cure for cancer, but it will cost gazzilion dollars...
And every time someone finds cure for some awful disease, another just "surprisingly" pops up...
Oh, and I'm glad that there are good people who want to help the world in any way. I really hope it works...
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 12:09 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 12:29 Post subject: |
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I have a feeling this thread will erupt in madness and get locked.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:01 Post subject: |
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I can start.
Cancer is natures way to keep humanity (among other desises) in check so we don't overpopulate, curing cancer is a crime against humanity. Some have to die for the rest of us to live.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:02 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | I can start.
Cancer is natures way to keep humanity (among other desises) in check so we don't overpopulate, curing cancer is a crime against humanity. Some have to die for the rest of us to live. |
actually it is a quite rational way of thinking , Good job
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:12 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | I can start.
Cancer is natures way to keep humanity (among other desises) in check so we don't overpopulate, curing cancer is a crime against humanity. Some have to die for the rest of us to live. |
right, then let me tell you that if your argument was truthful in any way, then cancer is doing a pretty bad job, with all the cancer infected people in the world, somehow in the last 100 years we've more than doubled human population, an the world estimative claims that until 2050 we'll reach 9 billion, and this estimative was made using the current rate of birth and death ratio and with current medical knowledge and technology, which means that if some breakthrough indeed happens, and the definitely cure for cancer or aids is discovered, the number of humans until 2050 will be much larger.
also do not forget that every year millions of african children and asian children that live in undeveloped countries die with diseases that are treatable for years, they just lack vacines and food for every single one of them, when those respective countries begin to develop faster (which some of them are beginning to already), those children will stop dying, if we take all this into account, we get a picture of what overpopulation really means.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:16 Post subject: |
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There for we should let them die, any for of medication against any disease is in fact wrong as it disturbs the way of nature and thus will kill us all. This is what i think not what i do, I take regular medication every day and donate blood.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:19 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | | There for we should let them die, any for of medication against any disease is in fact wrong as it disturbs the way of nature and thus will kill us all. |
Unless the ill person is you, right?
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 13:26 Post subject: |
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| Karmeck wrote: | | There for we should let them die, any for of medication against any disease is in fact wrong as it disturbs the way of nature and thus will kill us all. This is what i think not what i do, I take regular medication every day and donate blood. |
What, just what.
You don't think people should be treated, yet you give blood. If it was really what you think then you wouldnt give blood at all. What if someone in your family got cancer and it was 100% curable, would you be like er...no mum infact i think you should die.
Most retarded thing ive heard in a long time.
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I just have an idea of it being wrong, but what I in reality do about it, that is an other thing. I not so stupid so I don't see ppl might have something against this kinda real/raw view of the world.
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| Karmeck wrote: | | I just have an idea of it being wrong, but what I in reality do about it, that is an other thing. I not so stupid so I don't see ppl might have something against this kinda real/raw view of the world. |
it's obvious that we are just to many, but under the argument that every single one of us is equal and deserve the same rights, then your statement about letting "them" die is just absurd, because for everyone else, you are part of "them"
as undeveloped countries evolve more rapidly to reach the same quality of the already evolved ones, it is obvious that our resources would be depleted in one or two generations time span, it's obvious we need to find a solution, but that solution don't pass by ignoring the equality of everyone of us when some problem arise, we need to start birth control procedures, and in the long run, if possible, migrate to mars and so forth, but we're a century or two centuries away from that, so, in the mean time, birth control is the only real and humane solution we've got.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 15:12 Post subject: |
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Yes. Let the Madness!! begin.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 15:22 Post subject: |
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in an alt. reality everyone in this thread is banned
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 15:50 Post subject: |
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I hope this works !! Fuck overpopulating ! Better have a decent birth control rule then a rule to let the living just die.
BTW i hope this won't get an Elite only cure
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 17:54 Post subject: |
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Every year I hear about a cure. Further than a news article, I never hear any more. Will this be different? Who knows.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 18:23 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | Every year I hear about a cure. Further than a news article, I never hear any more. Will this be different? Who knows. |
My thoughts exactly! But we'll never know until each new method is tried out, won't we? And if people think that a cure is being 'held back' by vested intrests then think of the kind of money the people who come up with a cure will make. It will make viagra look like pocket change. Not to mention the fame that will come to the research team. Trust in greed and glory.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 19:25 Post subject: |
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| Horrordee wrote: | | Every year I hear about a cure. Further than a news article, I never hear any more. Will this be different? Who knows. |
well, it usually takes a "cure" up to 10 years to go through different stages of research and clinical trials. So if you see something on the market much earlier, it is often just a variation of already well researched stuff. So dont start expecting stuff the year a breakthrough in science is published but rather 4-6 years down the line. |
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 19:50 Post subject: |
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Seem to remember a snake venom based breakthrough a year or two ago..
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Oct 2008 20:53 Post subject: |
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This isn't a cure for cancer, it's a treatment. There's a massive difference, and while it will greatly decrease morbidity it won't eliminate it.
Personally I think that myc proto-oncogene targeted deactivation of post-hayflick telomerase is a far more promising area of research with regards to a cure. It could actually be administered as a prophylactic vaccine effective against about 90% of cancers.
This nanoparticle treatment is highly expensive, and will probably require multiple treatments for a full remission in malignant cancers.
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