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 Posted: Sun, 20th Jul 2008 22:31 Post subject: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| Quote: | | NO END IN SIGHT is a jaw-dropping, insiders tale of wholesale incompetence, recklessness and venality. Based on over 200 hours of footage, the film provides a candid retelling of the events following the fall of Baghdad in 2003 by high ranking officials such as former Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage, Ambassador Barbara Bodine (in charge of Baghdad during the spring of 2003), Colonel Lawrence Wilkerson, former chief of staff to Colin Powell, and General Jay Garner (in charge of occupation of Iraq through May 2003), as well as Iraqi civilians, American soldiers and prominent analysts. NO END IN SIGHT examines the manner in which the principal errors of US policythe use of insufficient troop levels, allowing the looting of Baghdad, the purging of professionals from the Iraqi government and the disbanding of the Iraqi militarylargely created the insurgency and chaos that engulf Iraq today. |
If you can watch this incredible film and still not think Bush and his henchmen shown here should not be in jail or executed....then you'll never get it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6182969183854471645&q=no+end+in+sight+duration%3Along&total=104&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Jul 2008 22:33 Post subject: |
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Best Iraqi documentary, really great.
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Jul 2008 22:40 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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what a fucking stupid comment to make lol
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| Posted: Sun, 20th Jul 2008 22:51 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| Dazz99 wrote: | | what a fucking stupid comment to make lol |
You are the biggest wanker on nfohump!!!
You now go on ignore permanently.
How you've never been permanently banned from this website is beyond me.
Wanker.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 15:14 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| Dazz99 wrote: | | what a fucking stupid comment to make lol |
If you're referring to yours, then you are absolutely positively right.
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 16:34 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| Dazz99 wrote: | | what a fucking stupid comment to make lol |
Quoted the big D FT.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 17:37 Post subject: |
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Order from chaos has been the mode of American foreign policy since the 60's .. Create total chaos to a degree that all the able bodied men are killing each other off, once the nation is utterly crippled move in & take over. War mongering is the biggest business in the world, it yields massive debts/profits & all it costs is innocent lives.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 18:09 Post subject: |
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Eisenhowers Industrial Complex? Or the Rothchilds? eh Chin? j/k I dont go in for all those conspiracy theories
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 18:27 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | Eisenhowers Industrial Complex? Or the Rothchilds? eh Chin? j/k I dont go in for all those conspiracy theories |
What is that? Why is it a conspiracy?
I chins theory sounded pretty sound  |
I was just jokin. Its true thats what alot of different groups do but I was also kiddin.
You ever hear of the rothchilds, 12 families, illumanati, free masons etc ?
Its all the same group if you ask me. Lots of disinformation out there thats why I say i dont buy into all of it. Tho, like i said, it is true there are individuals/groups out there that benefit solely on war profiteering and such |
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 18:29 Post subject: |
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The US loves to beat it's chest, Sadly Chinup is *mostly* correct.
If the US was going in to *help* other nations, zimbabwe, congo, etc. would have been invaded by now, but there is little economic interest in doing so.
Read not to contradict and confute, nor to believe and take for granted, but to weigh and consider.
To the world you may be one person, but to one person you may be the world.
In all your remembering, remember that you have choices
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 18:37 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | I was just jokin. Its true thats what alot of different groups do but I was also kiddin.
You ever hear of the rothchilds, 12 families, illumanati, free masons etc ?
Its all the same group if you ask me. Lots of disinformation out there thats why I say i dont buy into all of it. Tho, like i said, it is true there are individuals/groups out there that benefit solely on war profiteering and such |
i think the majority of the misinformation is that its some secret group of people capitalizing on sacrificing innocent lives in the name of power. The terrifying truth is we know who is doing this. We vote these people into office, we allow their use of our prejudices to steal, murder & bully their way into power over anyone who dares contradict their demands. We support them in the name of self preservation. We believe we have no choice. Day in day out we trust that the politicians & administration of government will do the right thing, we call them names & say they are crap, but dotingly follow them wherever they lead us. We have no unity apart from our mutual loyalty to the state. Anyone who seeks to bring down corruption is alone in doing so for they are seen as biting the hand that feeds them. Treated like a nut, if your banded together in even the smallest group your considered terrorists. We have laws against peaceful assembly now, we have to ask permission to gather together. attempt to attack the states corruption via courts & you will be bled dry with bureaucracy. This is reality, not a fantasy Sy 
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Mon, 21st Jul 2008 19:04 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| dominae wrote: | | Dazz99 wrote: | | what a fucking stupid comment to make lol |
If you're referring to yours, then you are absolutely positively right. |
wow you sure got me there!
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 12:20 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | I was just jokin. Its true thats what alot of different groups do but I was also kiddin.
You ever hear of the rothchilds, 12 families, illumanati, free masons etc ?
Its all the same group if you ask me. Lots of disinformation out there thats why I say i dont buy into all of it. Tho, like i said, it is true there are individuals/groups out there that benefit solely on war profiteering and such |
i think the majority of the misinformation is that its some secret group of people capitalizing on sacrificing innocent lives in the name of power. The terrifying truth is we know who is doing this. We vote these people into office, we allow their use of our prejudices to steal, murder & bully their way into power over anyone who dares contradict their demands. We support them in the name of self preservation. We believe we have no choice. Day in day out we trust that the politicians & administration of government will do the right thing, we call them names & say they are crap, but dotingly follow them wherever they lead us. We have no unity apart from our mutual loyalty to the state. Anyone who seeks to bring down corruption is alone in doing so for they are seen as biting the hand that feeds them. Treated like a nut, if your banded together in even the smallest group your considered terrorists. We have laws against peaceful assembly now, we have to ask permission to gather together. attempt to attack the states corruption via courts & you will be bled dry with bureaucracy. This is reality, not a fantasy Sy |
I dont think its that facist yet.
I get the point your trying to make still and yeah, i will agree their are those trying to steer the US in that direction, but I dont think the laws on peaceful assembly are as bad as you make it out to be. I could see it getting there because thats what the US is trying to do, fear monger, but I dont think the majority of americans will buy into that crap.
People like to cut up americans because they show the idiots on tv it seems, but alot of americans are well read and educated you know?
And fuck, if it ever did happen, there's always Canada right?  We value actual freedom of speech far to much to ever let it get taken away from us
I could be wrong, but because of our cultural diversity, it would be hard to take that away from us. As many Canadians are born to immigrant parents and value the concept of free speech, freedom of thought etc
Anyway, I know your right man, I was just being a smartass  |
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SycoShaman .. Do you understand how freedom of speech is lost ? Understand how freedom of assembly is lost ? Understand how freedom of thought is lost ? For us to keep these things we have to understand how they are destroyed & regularly assert them.
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 13:27 Post subject: |
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I think America is a great example of how basic rights are abused.
This coming from a country that stands for 'freedom and justice'
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 14:09 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman .. Do you understand how freedom of speech is lost ? Understand how freedom of assembly is lost ? Understand how freedom of thought is lost ? For us to keep these things we have to understand how they are destroyed & regularly assert them. |
True, but what bothers me about this is not the fact that you pointed this out, but the fact that so many people lose their sense of preservation-of-self at an age relative to their community status, and never regain it -- therefore we have a country of zombies like the U.S.
Blame! don't act!
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SycoShaman
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 18:06 Post subject: |
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| ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman .. Do you understand how freedom of speech is lost ? Understand how freedom of assembly is lost ? Understand how freedom of thought is lost ? For us to keep these things we have to understand how they are destroyed & regularly assert them. |
Im confused. Explain how those things are lost/destroyed |
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:01 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman .. Do you understand how freedom of speech is lost ? Understand how freedom of assembly is lost ? Understand how freedom of thought is lost ? For us to keep these things we have to understand how they are destroyed & regularly assert them. |
Im confused. Explain how those things are lost/destroyed |
If you don't use something you can lose it. For me it is standing up for something you believe in. A micro-version of that would be that would be if you always let your friends get away with everything, their instint is to keep taking or keep pushing. Every once in a while you have to remind them where that line is.
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 19:45 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | | SycoShaman wrote: | | ChinUp wrote: | | SycoShaman .. Do you understand how freedom of speech is lost ? Understand how freedom of assembly is lost ? Understand how freedom of thought is lost ? For us to keep these things we have to understand how they are destroyed & regularly assert them. |
Im confused. Explain how those things are lost/destroyed |
If you don't use something you can lose it. For me it is standing up for something you believe in. A micro-version of that would be that would be if you always let your friends get away with everything, their instint is to keep taking or keep pushing. Every once in a while you have to remind them where that line is. |
Sometimes that will cost you. It all depends about if you can maintain the current status, or you really can't stand it and then you'll stand for it. It can cost you your friendship when it comes to friends, and it may cost you more when it comes to governments.
It all depends on how much you can stand until you explode.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:01 Post subject: |
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| X_Dror wrote: | | Sometimes that will cost you. It all depends about if you can maintain the current status, or you really can't stand it and then you'll stand for it. It can cost you your friendship when it comes to friends, and it may cost you more when it comes to governments. It all depends on how much you can stand until you explode. |
So your liberty is based on your pain threshold ?
| pistolshrimp wrote: | | If you don't use something you can lose it. For me it is standing up for something you believe in. A micro-version of that would be that would be if you always let your friends get away with everything, their instint is to keep taking or keep pushing. Every once in a while you have to remind them where that line is. |
Indeed, our liberty is based on our freedom to question the actions of our friends/leaders. Wherever we cannot question we are caged.
| SycoShaman wrote: | | Im confused. Explain how those things are lost/destroyed |
Lets say your buddy got battered by a cop & then arrested for assaulting the cop when all they did is defend themselves. You made a few calls, assembled say fifty people & marched on the police department where your buddy is being held. How would you be greeted ? How many of your buddies would tell you, you cant do that ? Would you even think to do this ? Would your buddies even come ? Are you @ liberty to question the ideas, actions of your peers & leaders on mass or independently ? What are the chances you will be called a trouble maker, crazy, criminal ect, chances you will get arrested yourself for questioning the authorities ? Told to shut up (destruction of freedom of speech) Told to go home (destruction of freedom to assemble) Told your wrong without being given just cause (destruction of freedom of thought).
| GeordieRacer wrote: | I think America is a great example of how basic rights are abused.
This coming from a country that stands for 'freedom and justice' |
The forefathers warned that the maintenance of liberty cannot be left in the hands of leaders, it must be maintained by the people through action, action that should be respected by the leaders. If it wasn't the people were advised to sack the officials & vote in new ones. The American dream is one of community action. Not childish loyalty to parental leaders.
The will of the people is the only legitimate foundation of any government, and to protect its free expression should be our first object. ~ Thomas Jefferson
| Hellbeans wrote: | | True, but what bothers me about this is not the fact that you pointed this out, but the fact that so many people lose their sense of preservation-of-self at an age relative to their community status, and never regain it -- therefore we have a country of zombies like the U.S. |
Quite, when people cease to think for themselves & simply echo the status quo corruption is inevitable.
Everyone has the obligation to ponder well his own specific traits of character. He must also regulate them adequately and not wonder whether someone else's traits might suit him better. The more definitely his own a man's character is, the better it fits him. ~ Cicero
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Tue, 22nd Jul 2008 21:27 Post subject: |
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Great video but will the Americans learn anything from this video ? Most Americans are brainwashed with the idea that's unpatriotic to question the government. Especially if it's a republican one.
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 14:59 Post subject: |
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@chin
Ah, now i see clearly what you mean. Well said and I agree
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 20:42 Post subject: |
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"Think for yourself" is pretty funny when the society is made up to indoctrinate people to think the same way. To form an own opinion you have to dare take a step outside the conventional, challenge all established truths (some may still hold, but you find out most are just plain old man-made bullshit) and actually act. For a lot of habitual people it's too much of a pain-threshold to cross so they stick with what's comfortable.
Let's say you've been taught that eating oatmeal is patriotic your whole life, by everyone you've come to respect, growing up. Grandpa: "Hey there young whippersnapper, finish that oatmeal and do one for your country!", then your father: "Son, eat your oatmeal and become a nation man like your father", mother, sister, friends, TV, etc. - everyone tells you that eating oatmeal is the way to go if you want to be a true patriot.
Now, let's imagine that the same thing goes on throughout your life, and you turn 20, and someone on an internet-forum says: "lULz, oatmeal isn't patriotic". Guess what your reaction's gonna be?
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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ChinUp
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| dominae wrote: | "Think for yourself" is pretty funny when the society is made up to indoctrinate people to think the same way. To form an own opinion you have to dare take a step outside the conventional, challenge all established truths (some may still hold, but you find out most are just plain old man-made bullshit) and actually act. For a lot of habitual people it's too much of a pain-threshold to cross so they stick with what's comfortable.
Let's say you've been taught that eating oatmeal is patriotic your whole life, by everyone you've come to respect, growing up. Grandpa: "Hey there young whippersnapper, finish that oatmeal and do one for your country!", then your father: "Son, eat your oatmeal and become a nation man like your father", mother, sister, friends, TV, etc. - everyone tells you that eating oatmeal is the way to go if you want to be a true patriot.
Now, let's imagine that the same thing goes on throughout your life, and you turn 20, and someone on an internet-forum says: "lULz, oatmeal isn't patriotic". Guess what your reaction's gonna be? |
+1
It is often safer to be in chains than to be free. ~ Franz Kafka
"Most of the change we think we see in life is due to truths being in & out of favor." ~ Frost
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| Posted: Wed, 23rd Jul 2008 23:50 Post subject: |
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I've read a fair share of Foucault. I certainly don't agree with everything he has to say, but he makes an interesting point.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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ChinUp
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| Posted: Thu, 24th Jul 2008 16:31 Post subject: Re: Every American should watch this documentary. |
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| gingerninjaaaaaa wrote: | | Dazz99 wrote: | | what a fucking stupid comment to make lol |
You are the biggest wanker on nfohump!!!
You now go on ignore permanently.
How you've never been permanently banned from this website is beyond me.
Wanker. |
8D thx ginge51 my friend
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