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 Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:43 Post subject: Mentally Challenged? |
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So the stuff lawyer asked about made me wonder about how they are treated in other countries.
From the 3 schools I went to, regardless who it was, from the nicest people on the planet down to the bottom pit of the world assholes, each and almost every person treated them with respect. I mean I could walk down the halls and just see all this hostility torwards each other, but the moment a mentally challenged walked down the hall, everyone would be giving them high fives or, at very least, just move out of their way and let them pass.
We had this one white student who we called g-unit cause he was just so fascinated by rap and how they dressed and everything, man, that kid was awesome, he even went as far one day to walk up to some random black dude and muffed (grab the back of someones head and shove it forward...stupid I know...not my slang for sure) and the guy didn't even hit him or anything. A lot of us were trying to pick out jaw off the ground cause it was one of those instances where it would have been a sure brawl.
One guy used to be in my gym class, man he was so happy spirtated, he LOVED dodge ball, he was always the first out, easy target, but he didn't fucking care, he loved it, whenever I was "captain" and had to pick a team, he was usually first in my roster. I still see him working at the grocery store to this day and I give him a high five and ask him how he's doing.
So.....ya.....how's it in your part of the world?
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:47 Post subject: |
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ive never had much exprience with mentally challenged people, but the deaf kid in school was an asshole.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:49 Post subject: |
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Here in the Netherlands, we all let them join nforce.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:53 Post subject: |
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I really didn't mean for this tread to be some make smart ass jokes. I'm actually really curious about it.
@Praetori....did you steal spankies avatar?
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:54 Post subject: |
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I tend to treat mentally challenged the same way I treat other people, with respect, if you done nothing wrong to me then i won't do nothing wrong to you.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 17:56 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | I really didn't mean for this tread to be some make smart ass jokes. I'm actually really curious about it.
@Praetori....did you steal spankies avatar? |
I've had this avatar since the day I joined. It was part of nforce's defaults - I'm pretty sure I had it before Spanky, he's just a more regular poster.
I don't really have a lot of experience with actual mentally challenged kids, except in theory (studying psychology and all).
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Jenni
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 18:16 Post subject: |
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No one should treat people differently. It would be a boring world if we were all the same. I'm not about to give respect to anyone that is undeserved of it or vice versa.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 18:43 Post subject: |
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what did the scoundrel make with him to do it when it was to make nothing he said he wasn't made for nothing to do when anything was unlike the same projection made for second best thats not what its meant to be determined over time its second to none thats allways the first in last out unless ofcourse the last out never came in to begin with when he didn't start his run sorta speak thats allways the dilemma are we facing the beginning or the end when its not beginning how can we know its the end when there's just infinity according to einsteins theorie of relativity that says that everything is relative according to the mc square that is equal to the lettre e but its just relative cuz its a fucking lettre of the alphabet who's to say that back in time when the bible was built and text was invented the lettre e didn't stand for the lettre z if that was the case einstein is already proven wrong.
just my two cents.
PS : did I just blabber that all out, must have forgotten to take me pills:)
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 19:04 Post subject: |
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Mentally challenged is a bit broad scale. Do you mean thick people? mentally ill people? downsyndrome people? be more specific lol.
If you mean the handicap type like downsyndrome etc well they get kinda the same treatment here. Even an asshole would feel bad to be nasty to them I guess.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 19:23 Post subject: |
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There's allways fucktards making fun of them, when I see this happen I'll step up to the fuckwad(or wads)and very soon we will see who is making fun of who, allways nice when you can rely on your pecs;)
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 19:26 Post subject: |
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..until they pull a knife, like 99% times in england :/
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 20:23 Post subject: |
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there was a mentally challenged person out my secondary school, she was pretty fat , had something wrong with one of her legs it sort out went in a circle instead of directly forwards and backwords when she walked and i think she had down syndrome or something like that.
my secondary school was full of really rough people so this girl had a bad time of it with name calling and funny looks.
i always thought she was really brave for going to a normal school especially one with a bad reputation when there were a school more suited to her needs in the area ,one where she would not have been bullied at all
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 20:38 Post subject: |
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overhere noone carries a knife, they could however be carrying my fist in their face, I am sure the coppers would understand.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 20:47 Post subject: |
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Good ol' pfiemel. Solving problems with his iron fists and ginormous pecs as usual. He's the kind of person we read about in the news beating the crap out of his girl-friend, wife, etc.
OT - I am very uncomfortable in the presence of mentally challenged people and don't quite know how to react to them. Don't want to appear to be pitying/patronising them so it's very awkward.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Jun 2008 22:24 Post subject: |
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I think the more developed world has taken a compassionate stance. Historically these people were housed at birth in some of the worst conditions. They were physically, sexually and emotionaly abused. Sometimes it can be hard to diag. a condition because they learn behavior, like rocking from each other. Some of Vancouver homeless grew up in places like that and when the abuse was made public they shut down all the facilities. This is the reasons why we have so many panhandlers and beggers. These people had a chance by back when but it was destroyed by an system that lacked compassion. ----> but don't you worry all you rich 2010 olympic tourists, we will be shoving them into halfway houses and God knows where for a period of time so our streets are nice and clean for you.
I would say the ones that are lucky born today into families that love them do the best. They are usually in a main stream classroom, usually with a one on one worker or that is the idea. If the parents really push for it, it happens. If the parents don't they never really get the funding they need. Fetal alcohol can be difficult because often there are no visible symptoms, just behavior problems. It can be up to the teachers but sometimes it can be like pulling teeth to even get the kid in to be tested. Funding is only advailiably with a diag. and assesment.
In schools usually the kids are pretty good if they know that kid has a disability. I know of one selective mute. Doesn't talk but sometimes might say something super quick and hushed. The kids in the classromm talk for him, and are super nice to him. This kid is scared of his own shadow.
I used to help change a few physically disabled people at the pool I used to work at. The rest of the cashiers refused to do it because it wasn't in their job discribtion. I felt like I was doing a really good thing for someone by helping them be free and mobile in the water swimming, instead of being grounded to a chair.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 09:29 Post subject: |
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mentally challenged kids are in seperate schools here , so i wonder what kinda school you are going to lol.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 09:57 Post subject: |
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There are always some idiots who disrespect and make fun of mentally challenged ones. For me that's totally wrong, and inconsiderate. It wasn't their fault they got this way, the genetics is a nasty and unpredictable thing (well at least it was few years ago).
You have to look at the fact that Pistol said. The funding is a big problem. Even now you can see, in the early stages of pregnancy, that sth is wrong with your baby.
Now days you're often given just one choice: abortion, or taking care for your disabled child for the rest of his life...
It's a harsh world, in the future you'll probably be able to pick the color of your baby eyes and even remove all the ''bad'' chromosomes that could harm your future babies life. Then the only way we'll all have to worry about is not to make a world looks like Gattaca or similar...
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 10:56 Post subject: |
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Never had one in my class, but where I work now there is this place iv got to fix computers. Its a place for people from 18 years old till about 50. They are out in work.. they do really simple tasks, and get paid pretty well. Anyway, after iv been there cabeling and setting up some computers, this guy about 20-22 years old ran after me when I was about to leave. When im just about to get into the car, the guy is standing outside of the building, without shoes and just staring at me. Im like.. hmm, I should probably get him inside, or ask some of those who are responsible for him go get him? After some time he comes up to me and ask if I got some candy. I said no, we don't have any candy in these work cars. Well after that he just seems very sad, and he ask if he coud have "a little thing". Hmm, a little thing? Yeah he said, almost crying. Give me Anything!. Well, so I gave him a pen with our logo on it  And he was happy  Don't know if it was ok for the people responsible for him that I gave him something, but who cares. In normal peoples eyes these people have very boring lives, so I had to cheer him up.
They are mostly nice people that doesn't demand so much. Pretty much like young kids (before they ask to get everything )
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 15:43 Post subject: |
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| Sin317 wrote: | | mentally challenged kids are in seperate schools here , so i wonder what kinda school you are going to lol. |
Public school. You know..the ones that aren't better than the rest, or for snobby people, where people are e....supposed to be equal |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Jun 2008 16:57 Post subject: |
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they are in public schools as well here.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 04:19 Post subject: |
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I went school with mentally handicapped kids aside from the violent ones. I was very nice to them. Why make fun of them because they are born different you know? No need to call names and to make fun off, they are ppl too 
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 05:16 Post subject: |
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When I was 22 I fell in love (parent/child love not that other) with a kid who was special needs. He was not born mentally challanged he was that way because of his father. He had a short term memory problem and some other aspects a well but he was such a sweet and super kid. Probably because he didn't remember the abuse that had been done to him. Sometimes he would repeat what his social worker told him, I met and asked her once. His father beat him bad and one day cracked this kids head. I don't know what she told me, I don't think she was suppost to.
Anyway he would come into the pool where I worked and talk to me for hours. He was lonely I think. I would let him highligh my paperwork and even let him add up some numbers on the calculator. He always wore a helmet on his head. He was scared to take it off. I think he had eplisy (sp) as well. If I had been older and more financially secure I would of adopted this kid. I always wonder what happened to him.
One day I introducted him to another teen patron who had brain damage from a car accident. I gave them a football from the lost and found and they played outside. 3 days later they bumped into each other and both of them didn't remember the day they spent playing with each other
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 08:34 Post subject: |
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in germany, there are special schools for the handicapped, which isnt really the best solution imho, but the school-system here isnt the best solution either...
the ones i knew, i usually liked (apart from one deaf-guy i got to know in university, but deaf people tend to be socially problematic more often than others).
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 09:27 Post subject: |
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| pistolshrimp wrote: | When I was 22 I fell in love (parent/child love not that other) with a kid who was special needs. He was not born mentally challanged he was that way because of his father. He had a short term memory problem and some other aspects a well but he was such a sweet and super kid. Probably because he didn't remember the abuse that had been done to him. Sometimes he would repeat what his social worker told him, I met and asked her once. His father beat him bad and one day cracked this kids head. I don't know what she told me, I don't think she was suppost to.
Anyway he would come into the pool where I worked and talk to me for hours. He was lonely I think. I would let him highligh my paperwork and even let him add up some numbers on the calculator. He always wore a helmet on his head. He was scared to take it off. I think he had eplisy (sp) as well. If I had been older and more financially secure I would of adopted this kid. I always wonder what happened to him.
One day I introducted him to another teen patron who had brain damage from a car accident. I gave them a football from the lost and found and they played outside. 3 days later they bumped into each other and both of them didn't remember the day they spent playing with each other |
I love your story. You write it in such a cute and compassionate way. Their case reminds me somewhat of H.M.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/H.M.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 13:10 Post subject: |
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are you sweettalking the shrimp or are you trying to impress her with your hung-like-a-horse brain?
no matter what, i see you ve raised the quality of the thread by a large degree with that link =) For people interested in neurosciences and brain lesions check out descarte's error (damasio) or the books by oliver sacks.
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 13:54 Post subject: |
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I once watched The Ringer. Does the quality of the thread stay raised?
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| Donkey_Punch wrote: | | I once watched The Ringer. Does the quality of the thread stay raised? |
you didnt say you watched twoguys1horse, so yeah.
well, now i did. I guess that makes it even  |
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| Posted: Fri, 13th Jun 2008 22:07 Post subject: |
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| Lutzifer wrote: | are you sweettalking the shrimp or are you trying to impress her with your hung-like-a-horse brain?
no matter what, i see you ve raised the quality of the thread by a large degree with that link =) For people interested in neurosciences and brain lesions check out descarte's error (damasio) or the books by oliver sacks. |
Thanks! I had to make up for that initial joke. There are a lot of interesting case studies. Realising I *loved* reading about cases like H.M. (but also many more, including experiments and theories like those of Pavlov, Skinner, Asch, Maslow, Zimbardo... and I could go on and on) made me actually want to study psychology, instead of learning it as a hobby. People studying hard sciences often make fun of psychology as a science, but I feel they do so wrongly. Psychology is as much of a hard science and as difficult as you want to make it. If you specialise in cognitive psychology or neurobiology for example, I feel it might be on par with medicine study. And whilst social psychology is on the 'softer side', I still think of it as a valid science. I made the decision to study psychology more than a year ago. Now, I finally started at university level - and I couldn't be happier. Turns out I already know enough to pass through the first few examinations rather easily - but that's understandable, seeing as it's been a hobby of mine for more than 8 years.
Of course that might simply be a case of cognitive dissonance/consonance for me (considering the difficulty), but I'm pretty convinced.
Next week, I'll start working with elderly who have Alzheimer's. It's not part of my study, but I feel it's nice to do some community service whilst getting some actual field experience. So if anybody has any tips to put my theory into practice, I'd really enjoy them!
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