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time for a new monitor... looking at an lcd naturally, ws, 20 to 24"... fast response rate, hdcp enabled, really good colour reproduction.. basically what are some of the best monitors currently avaliable that are reasonably priced... i was looking at this one, any thoughts?
Samsung 20" 206BW LCD Monitor Widescreen 2ms
http://www.qmb.co.nz/p.aspx?106891
and any OTHER suggestions for different monitors - please let me know. thanx.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 07:54 Post subject: |
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go for the 22" samsung if you got the money. The 20" is probably ok too..
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 07:58 Post subject: |
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22" Samsung is affected by the lottery as well. But TN panel 
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 08:49 Post subject: |
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how can you tell what type of panel a monitor is using? is it always listed in their specs? or do you usually have to do some digging around online..
i was thinking of looking at one of the dell lcd's... either the 2407 or 2707wfp - the one you listed looks a bit expensive, and no hdcp from what i can tell?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 11:35 Post subject: |
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You can't anymore, hence the term 'lottery.' Samsung stopped labeling them because users started returning the shit models. No the only way to check the type is to hack the OSD and hope it somehow indicates who the panel maker is.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 12:27 Post subject: |
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is this the case with all makers or just samsung?
so basically the answer is if you want to know what kind of panel a particular companies LCD is using, you need to search round on the net to see if anyone has found out, correct?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 12:36 Post subject: |
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As far as I've heard, the problem is with the 206bw/226bw monitors. The 216bw monitors are unaffected, meaning they supposedly use Samsung panels only (the best quality).
In order to find out who's the maker, you have to 'hack' the OSD (hack = set brightness, contrast to 0, and hold some button for 5 secs). Once inside, there will be some number there. Then look on the net to try and figure who's the maker. Not every number can be traced, so still a lottery.
But this is still outdwarfed by the fact they are all TN panel based. Read this to understand what's the problem with TN panels. TN panels are all 6-bit per color, while VA and IPS are 8-bit per color (as they should be), so you lose color precision. Then you need to rely on crappy dithering methods to compensate for the lack of color precision. Avoid TN. Plus, don't get fooled by the "2ms" Samsung is offering. It's just a 5ms accelerated panel.
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 13:03 Post subject: |
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yeah i read most of that first link you gave me, which was quite helpful, thanks, so i allready know a bit about the differences between the tn, va and ips panels... what are your opinions on the dell 24 and 27" lcd's?
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| Posted: Fri, 3rd Aug 2007 13:07 Post subject: |
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Those are PVA imo, but they waaay too pricey. 24"+ monitors have crazy prices. If you have the cash, they are great 1080p monitors. Personally, I think it's better to wait for the prices to come down quite a bit before buying them.
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lol Leo, you make the sammy's sound so horrible, when in reality they are the best budget priced LCDs on the market. Case in point, I'm low on cash but want a new monitor for my 360 and pc to share. the 226BW fit the bill and the budget. Not only that but it seems I've got on of the newer M panels which seem to be created by samsung (so M being the new S). The picture is gorgeous for the price, and since I'm only using it for internet/email/some gaming (mostly with the 360) it's perfect for me.
While you have some good points, and wish I had the money for an S-IPS, the fact is, these are great panels. One thing though, just because it's "boosted" doesn't mean it's bad. A BFG OC graphics card is really just a lower model with "boosted" clockspeeds. Sure, it's not a true 2ms, but it acts like one.
Anyway, I don't want to start a shitstorm. I have a question:
Can I run this monitor at native res (1680x1050) with a radeon X1600 pro? Well, I shouldn't say "can I" because I'm currently doing just that, but will it damage anything? I'm locked on at 60Hz anyway because I'm on an LCD? Mind you this is just for desktop use. For gaming I should probably use a lower widescreen res, right?
I'm new to using an LCD so any helpful link would be really appreciated.
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007 04:13 Post subject: |
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running at a high res wont damage anything, but the higher you go the bigger hit your performance will take... running an lcd at anything other than its native res will make the picture quality look like shite.
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Aug 2007 09:47 Post subject: |
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Ditto to what nightlith says. I fuckin love my sammy, despite the lack of inputs and the dithering and all that. I paid less than 500 for a 24 inch monitor that can go 19x12 with no backlight bleed whatsoever, crystal clear picture, absolutely no ghosting and 1080p. On the other hand I could have paid almost double for one with a better panel. And to some people having a superior panel is like the holy grail. I've seen the monitor sitting side-by-side with the others and I Just say 'meh.'
Anyways I tried a gateway 22 inch and the backlight bleeding and crappy controls whatnot burned me bad, so even tho i could have stepped up to the gateway with one of the better panels, i switched to samsung. And personally, since I dont have a hdtv, 24 inch is a must for hdtv cable and playing consoles on.
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Well, yeah sure, the S (and I guess the M now) panels are the best TN panels out there. But what guarantee do you have that this is the panel you are going to get? I see shit about those monitors on every forum I go, because of the lottery.
I'm just saying, better to go safe and with better panel. Even if it means a few extra bucks.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Sep 2007 20:58 Post subject: |
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OH-KEE-DOKey...
me again... still havent gotten a new monitor, but still really really really definately want too... after looking around, and reading through that shit leo posted, i had decided that nec monitor you originally suggested was what i was after... alas, cant find anyone in my third world hole of a country that SELLS it would u fuckin believe
so instead, now im looking at going big and doing away with a dual monitor setup... im looking at the dell 30" (3007wfp) - the site you gave me constantly lists the monitor highly for multiple uses, and the price is reasonable for a monitor that size... final thoughts on the monitor? any known issues with it?
oh and one final question - and this was a selling point for me if im understanding this correctly (hope like fuck i am...)
lcds have native resolution as we all know.. running shit at less than the native res makes the image look like rubbish... NOW.. the 30" has a massive 2560 x 1600 resolution... using my masterful control of maths, if i run, lets say a game, at 1280 x 800, this would be a reduction of 2 x 2 (ie, 1 pixel is now 4, if you know what i mean) - would this keep the integrity of the image, and thus keep the quality perfect?
in other words, i can run the thing at 1280 x 800 for games and keep the quality perfect?
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No you cant. Picture will look like crap. There is no way to get good picture with non native res. And imo 30 inch screen is overkill. Most games dont support that high ress and you need 8800gtx sli to run anything at normal speed.30 is for professionals.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Sep 2007 22:23 Post subject: |
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It depends on the screen, if the screen know that it should upscale 1280x800 to 2560x1600, then it will be fine, but not all screens know what resolutions work. It might think it a weird form of 1280x1024, and scale accordingly (fuzzy and with black bars). It might be fine, but be sure you watch it for yourself in a shop before you buy it.
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| Posted: Fri, 14th Sep 2007 23:53 Post subject: |
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well my thinking was that you cant usually display at non-native and have it look good... for example, take a single pixel in 1920x1200, and then if you try and use a lower res, that 1 pixel will try to use 2.73 pixels or whatever (just an example) and this is why it ends up looking shit... but with such a massive resolution, you could smoothly scale down to 1280x800 because your basically perfectly converting every 1 pixel to exactly 4 pixels, which SHOULD keep everything crisp.
furthermore, the dell site lists the tech specs:
Factory Preset Resolution Modes
VESA, 1280 x 800 (49.31 kHz Horizontal, 59.91 Hz Vertical)
VESA, 2560 x 1600 (98.71 kHz Horizontal, 59.97 Hz Vertical)
so it does list 1280x800 as a usable resolution.. my concern was that it didnt just support it, but kept the quality perfect, according to my above reasoning...
more research, found:
The scaling problems apply to games as well, of course. Recent 3D games require a very, very muscular graphics card if you want them to run smoothly at 2560 by 1600. It's easy enough to work around this if you don't feel like buying a GeForce 8800 GTX along with your new monitor, of course; just run your games at 1280 by 800 - or even 640 by 400 - and you'll be fine.
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| Posted: Sat, 15th Sep 2007 01:44 Post subject: |
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| chiv wrote: | | but with such a massive resolution, you could smoothly scale down to 1280x800 because your basically perfectly converting every 1 pixel to exactly 4 pixels, which SHOULD keep everything crisp. |
Should indeed. When the website says it'll wok then it probably will. The thing is I've seen several screens that don't know about their quarter or 1/16th resolution, so it will take the next higher resolution it knows about, giving blurred scaling and black borders.
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Why don't LCD screens have high-quality scalers? Sure, no scaler can bring CRT quality, but it would certainly be better than pixel-resize.
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hp has a very nice screen right now called hp w2207, yes TN-panel, but not the problems of the samsungs (Yes, I know the CW-version of the samsung has been released, but it got that input-lag).
Without a doubt if you're looking for a 22" TN, the hp w2207 is the best way to go unless you can get the 226BW with the S-panel.
I also think fisk should be unbanned.
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THREAD STEAL!
I'm looking for a cheap wide-screen.. got about 170£.. thoughts? Is it even worth it? Also, I would be adding it to a system which already has 2 monitors, so one would be running on a PCI card.. that monitor doesn't need any 3d power, but will the overall config slow down the system?
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| Posted: Wed, 24th Oct 2007 21:00 Post subject: |
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cheap LCD 17-22" = BenQ simens. Pretty good quality too.
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| dominae wrote: | hp has a very nice screen right now called hp w2207, yes TN-panel, but not the problems of the samsungs (Yes, I know the CW-version of the samsung has been released, but it got that input-lag).
Without a doubt if you're looking for a 22" TN, the hp w2207 is the best way to go unless you can get the 226BW with the S-panel. |
yea I've seen the hp at a store next to the samung and it looked superior , contrast better blacks, but it'is a glossy screen so you will get reflections...
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I really HATE how they don't ever put height adjustable stands on these cheaper models. How much extra can it cost to manufacture a height adjustable stand? And i dont mean the gay looking stand on the w2007 that will move about 1", i mean a stand that will move a few inches up like on the 245BW.
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Only problem I have now is the need for a beefier card because this current one just can't handle games at a decent resolution.
