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 Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007 11:18 Post subject: Need some work related advice |
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Hello friends, i would like to ask you an advice about a working situation, what would you do if you were in me ?
In a very quick way (at least i'll try  ) ...
+ : a nice pay, near my house (i have time to go home, lunch & relax), not a minute over the 8 hours/day, a nice amount of time to do what i want (playing, posting, chatting, etc), a stand-alone office, in theory a kind of job that i like (tech dept with [as a plus] management of the company pcs and nearly every other tech matter)
- : it's a such a low tech company like i never seen in my life, many colleagues that simply work bad and in many cases simply don't have the barely minimum requirements to be in their work positions (without be long, imagine an export dept that speak/write/read english poorly [i'm nice saying that]), few possibilities of reaching any higher working level (simply because there is only my boss directly over me) and a concrete possibility that the company will get worse and worse over the next years, maybe even closing if things don't change (i speak after seeing relevant docs)
So, what would you do ?
You'll keep on staying in such a company enjoying the positive sides of the job ?
Or you'll be worried about the future and start seeking another job (with all the risks included as always doing so) ?
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007 11:23 Post subject: |
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Fuck that mate. Don't get dragged into all that shit. There will be other jobs out there. (IMO) If a company is so careless into letting itself stoop that low and have employees that are incompetent do you really feel economically safe relying on them? No way, it will end in problems no doubt.
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007 13:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007 15:30 Post subject: |
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stay there ass long as you get paid, and dont bother thinking about the idiots
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| Posted: Fri, 27th Jul 2007 16:27 Post subject: |
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Maybe you should ask yourself 'is this the job/company where you want to work for the rest of your life'. Obviously the answer to that question would be 'no'. But the biggest question is what are you prepared to do to change that.
Although the fact that you are asking other people for advice doesn't seem very comforting. You should have (if you had really wanted it) already found another job. No guts, no glory.
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jul 2007 03:54 Post subject: |
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maybe have a chat with your boss about it?
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| Posted: Sat, 28th Jul 2007 03:56 Post subject: |
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I would say stay there as long as you can bare it whilst looking for another job. It's much easier to get a job when you're already working. It also looks good in the experience you can put on your Curriculum Vitae.
But I sense a deeper problem. Is there someone in particular you don't get along with. Someone giving you a hard time?
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 15:02 Post subject: |
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Hello friends and thanks for your opinions.
Indeed i have already taken a decision of what do to next: after the holidays i will begin sending out my CV and, starting from a relative safe economical position, without haste seeing if i find something that could be better.
@ watergem: i understand your point of view, at least a part of myself does, the one more willing to change, and the one that will "force" me to send CV after the holidays and seeing if something better is out there for me.
@ sabalasa: lol so i have few possibilities to make career ??? Or ... i could learn to be an imbecil ! Maybe i could become even good at that and make some career
@ deelix: unfortunately i hate driving if it's work-related ...
@ jeanperrier: i see that you understand the other point of view in these kind of matters ... why change when you are well paid and have many commodities ? is working in a prehistoric and low tech/culture company a reason enough to change ? or, as one of my past bosses, once said "the important is that i get paid, i'll stay here sucking all what i can and when/if the company will close i'll think about going elsewhere" ?
@ swingman: Asking advices sometimes could give anyone some better ideas don't you think so ? Anyway, as i thought, there are people that would do in a way, others in another one ... i decided to start sending out CV after the holidays, and if a nice opportunity happens ... i will take it.
@ snop1050: i already had a nice amount of experiences with these kinds of bosses ... the only way to talk with them is after having an offer from another company and going from them and saying "ok dude i have another, better, work offer, give me something better or i'll go away ...", and it's just what i plan to do ...
@ jenni: thanks for your interest, fortunately no there is no one that give me a hard time, it's only that situation in which one is terribly undecided on what to do next, to risk or no to risk ... and yes in these weeks i thought and listened and thought and that's the best thing to do, as you say, staying here and searching for a better opportunity from a safe situation.
You all have been very kind.
Thanks for your opinions.
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 22:33 Post subject: |
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I would stay,job close to ur house is gold
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| Posted: Mon, 30th Jul 2007 23:46 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 00:22 Post subject: |
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imaginary.number u should live in Nederland worst tech and overall support i've ever known
if i had your job [if any] i would stay. fuk'em
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 22:00 Post subject: |
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| sabalasa wrote: | @ imaginary.number
well....actually you have three possibilities to make career:
1) loose all you professional knowledge ASAP and become an egocentric mumbling idiot. Replace your professional knowledge with economic buzzwords and spill them out randomly to appear smart ie make no sense what so ever.
2) become a cynical and machiavellish son of a bitch that everyone hates. YELL as much at your colleagues as you see fit. This way the management sees that you hold your team by the balls and have no other choice than promote you.
3) asslicking...until you've got a sore tongue...I mean you have a lot of possibilities here. Dress like your boss, try to copy him in every aspect, warm up the relation with his secretary to be allowed into the "inner circle". I mean if you've got her secretary, then you will have any information before even your boss has. At least you will know before your colleagues do. And then ... serve it to him or to your colleagues before she does. If it's bad news then serve it like a warning of upcoming events you think might happen. If it's good news then serve it as a prophecy. This way either your boss or your colleagues think that you're some kind of a psychic or something and the next promotion is yours 
OK..most of the "advises" here are cites of Dilbert and not to be taken word by word but there is some point in them |
Uhm ... my soul rejects even the idea of becoming like my colleagues, so the first one is excluded ... my character then make me very difficult to take other by the balls, i'm not that kind of individual, i prefer being followed by people that understand me and my skills and abilities ... uhm ... for the third one i have to admit that to some extent i make the "nice face" with the boss but, as i said, to some extent ... i will never be able to reach some "heights" of asslicking ... a nice fuck off sometimes is better that extreme asslicking
Even if they are cites i agree that there is some valid points in them ... it's a pity that it emerges that someone has to be a pathetic idiot, an aggressive moron or an asslicking chicken to make some career lol & much depression
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 22:53 Post subject: |
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@ mrhelpfull / $en$i : it's what i have decided to do, staying there without too much worrying about anything and at the same time without haste searching around me some other opportunity.
@ spankie : uhm ... i understand your talking but ... playing poker and bluffing too much ... sometimes could bring you to someone that wants to "see your hand" ... and if you have a poor one ...
@ sabalasa : don't you have some vacant work position under you ? (ehm ... i DON'T mean in a physycal sense lol)
@ mortibus : i have always thought just like you, then after some years in this position it got soo boring and frustrating in some cases to bring me to think what to do in the future ...
you speak of a poor tech support in NL ? want to hear a couple of examples of "magnificence" in Italy ? In brief ...
1) my company has a problem to the adsl line. we call the tech support. we decide to upgrade the line and get a new router. the tech guy comes in my company. it connects everything. after all the pcs don't see the router. i ask him "maybe you have to configure the router to be seen in our lan ?". the answer "no the router can't be configured". he goes away at the end of the day. in half an hour i read the manual, make some experiments and finally configure the router to be seen in our lan. everything works. the next day he comes out, he still didn't have any idea how to resolve the matter, he even asked some of his colleagues ... his mouth didn't close after i told him everything was working. and note that i SIMPLY read the manual, nothing else. wtf are we crazy ? the point is that me, the client, shouldn't do that work ! that's a tech support of one of the most important communications companies in my country ??? an entire brigade of techs didn't know that routers they sold were configurable ? OH MY GOD !!!
2) the last christmas i bought a new pc. i decided for my commodity to go to a shop and give all the parts carefully chosen to the vendor, and then let him assemble my pc. i would have paid something more but for a time i didn't want to stay hours battling over some components. that was a decision of mine. i was the client. and he was a pc tech from 20 years. keep in mind these points as you read. he did a couple of mistakes buying components. without ever advising me he bought. i was some weeks before christmas, i wanted that damned pc, i shout a bit at him, no more (they were mistakes about vendor/model of the graphic card and motherboard). the first day of the "assembling" : the pc didn't power up. he tells me "uh, probably it's a power supply too small" and me "ok than change it with a right one". second time the pc didn't power up. this 20 years of experience tech wasn't able to read damn just read the requirements of the graphic card and motherboard and the other peripherals and make a damned sum ! I, the client, a week before christmas, had to visit 3-4 shops to find a right power supply and bring it to him the night before christmas, and helping him to assemble my pc. we finished at 2 in the morning. i paid him. i wanted for a time not to trouble for a pc. i wanted to pay for not having to trouble. i wanted the finished product. i was the client of the so proud 20 years of experience pc tech ... so ? so that's a typical example like i saw many times: people that bla bla bla talk and talk but when it's facts time ... the point is, at least don't yell to the world "i'm a super tech" and than do such a pathetic figure, shut up your mouth and at least cover with some humility your errors ... nice tech shop uh ? and if i say you the one i tried before that was even worst !?!?!?
We could make a race for the worst tech/support country ?
I have written too much, fuck the errors, i don't want to re-read all before hit the post reply
Damn, i would have done the writer, i know when i start writing, i never know when i'll finish doing it
There are only 10 kinds of people : those that understand binaries and those that don't.
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| Posted: Tue, 31st Jul 2007 23:45 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 10:28 Post subject: |
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@imaginary.number
In the matter of fact I do have vacancies and I'm kind of stuck finding people with required qualification. We offer high end software quality assurance services (SQA training, consultancy, strategic analysis, architecture concepts, development inspection, audit, testing automation, software process assessment and improvement etc) but our biggest problem is that there aren't enough people who could perform well in these tasks.
rgds
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 11:05 Post subject: |
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thats always the problem.
here in belgium jobopenings/unemployed people = 3
for my studies (bio engineering) there are +1000 vacancies and only 200 students graduating every year.
I dont understand this unemployment thing. Even for non qualified people there are 3 jobs for everyone. The higher your degree, the more openings.
At the company im doing my internship, they have been looking for a bio-statitician for the last 2 years (since may 2005), and never found the good person. Only now they have someone coming in october.
So unemployment can be fixed by guiding people to the correct job.
If so many people are unemployed, and there are so many jobs??? imho people are just afraid of doing something new they havent done before. Or they want the exact same job as before...
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 13:08 Post subject: |
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personally I think most of the people (especially young people) do not want to reeducate themselves (ie go back to school and learn a new profession) and that generates artificial unemployment.
For example if someone comes from the uni with a degree in economy and the employment market is full of economists then he/she won't go back to school and learn a new profession even if there is great demand of people with that kind of skills. They tend to stay unemployed or get a low skill job until there is an job opening.
rgds
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 16:12 Post subject: |
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which is stupid.
because in the end, you use 5% of what you learned i school...
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Aug 2007 16:53 Post subject: |
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spankie, how much of that what you learned in school do you find useful? I'm just curious... It's common thing that company will train you for whatever they need you.
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| Posted: Sat, 4th Aug 2007 13:48 Post subject: |
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@ swingman ... no no omg thanks i was only joking, i'll never become a writer !!!
@ sabalasa ... out of my field of competence, hope you will find soon some qualified people. Just a curiosity, does your company invest in young not "finished" figures ? I mean the classic out of the school boy that seems smart and promising but needs training.
@ spankie ... i hear very frequently people wanting only to change jobs in fields that exactly match their previous experiences. There is also a big "learning problem" in my opinion, many people just stop wanting to learn after the school, and without that mentality it's easy to arrive to the situation you described where there are fewer and fewer people that want to improve, learning, getting new specializations (both at study and at work) and, doing so, become qualified in the end, learning and upgrading oneself during the course of the years.
All of this is amplified from the fact that, as you wisely told, everyone of us use only a minimal part of what he learned from school.
@ mortibus: i thing the same bad situation is a bit all over the world, and in every field, unfortunately ... however, some situations cannot exists when we speak of people that do a work for 5, 10 or 20 years !
I make another example in another "field". Until the last year we have in my company an electrician with over 25 years of experience, he said he was a "finished" electrician (meaning a guy that knows all of something), imagine my suprise when, the first time we sit on a table doing some calculations, he didn't even know what amperes are. Incredible ? No no i assure you that it's real, and he was a mini-boss taking nearly twice my pay ... it's better not to add anything don't you think ?
@ manu_xl: ahah you should have recorded the scene
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| Posted: Tue, 7th Aug 2007 21:24 Post subject: |
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| sabalasa wrote: | @imaginary
Yes, we have students doing their masters and doing bachelors. Right now we cannot invest in any more into students because our professionals need to earn money aswell besides tutoring youngsters |
Well it's nice seeing companies investing in "youngsters", unfortunately too many (the actual mine is "obviously" included) others think that it is wiser not so spend money today for investing in young ones even risking tomorrow a lack of qualified people or, even more stupid, being forced to spend even more on "finished" figures ...
And then, at the culmination of this pyramid of dumbness, at half way from ridiculous to pathetic, seeing some "finished" figures like the electrician i spoke about some paragraphs above ... bleah i'm disgusted.
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