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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 15:29    Post subject: fucking stocks
lost 1200 euros today, lets hope they go up.

fuck china.
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swingman




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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 15:39    Post subject:
I don't see how you could have invested in china since foreign investors cannot invest directly in china. Only a few institutional investors (subject to certain conditions) have access to the market. In any case even if you did invest via those funds, the chinese stock market just hit a record high so it's highly unlikely you lost money on the chinese market. Unless your fund manager is an idiot.
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Unauthorized




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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 15:49    Post subject:
Actually, he just don't like china. The topic post ended right after "go up." Then he just bash china for fun Smile Cheers!

Squirrely: Now come on y'all. We can't waste time arguing. There could still be survivors out there. We need to hunt them down, and kill them.
Beary: How about we kill them, and then rape their bodies so we can use their blood as lubricant.
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skidrow
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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 16:06    Post subject:
lulz, in what company?
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 16:13    Post subject:
It gone up again, i invested in INTEREFF CHINA WAR (ICAWA).


clicky
I made money on that one, but hunter douglas is shitting me now.

clicky
26 stocks 72,63(now) 74,73 (bought this afternoon)

-2.81%.

Fuck you douglas, get the fuck up.
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Mon, 28th May 2007 16:20    Post subject:
Tell the truth, you've invested in Panda Penis Tea and you've drank all the stock.
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 10:46    Post subject:
haha i was really stupid, bought put opties tomtom, but that company is doing good.
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deelix
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 11:44    Post subject:
they make overpriced GPS Wink
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swingman




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 12:53    Post subject:
TheSaint wrote:
haha i was really stupid, bought put opties tomtom, but that company is doing good.




This is not 20/20 hindsight. This is my reasoning.

Nevermind the fact that TomTom is facing tough competition from cheaper brands and their margins are under pressure.

Nevermind that more and more mobile phones are coming out with integrated GPS which makes their product redundant.

The one major factor supporting the price of this stock is emotion. It is the so-called darling of the market so people tend to overlook the obvious. Yet these stocks are known to be volatile and they experience large fluctuations without any obvious reason. So you still might make money depending on the term of the option. I am assuming you bought a European option which does make it a bit riskier.
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:12    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
TheSaint wrote:
haha i was really stupid, bought put opties tomtom, but that company is doing good.




This is not 20/20 hindsight. This is my reasoning.

Nevermind the fact that TomTom is facing tough competition from cheaper brands and their margins are under pressure.

Nevermind that more and more mobile phones are coming out with integrated GPS which makes their product redundant.

The one major factor supporting the price of this stock is emotion. It is the so-called darling of the market so people tend to overlook the obvious. Yet these stocks are known to be volatile and they experience large fluctuations without any obvious reason. So you still might make money depending on the term of the option. I am assuming you bought a European option which does make it a bit riskier.


I've lost like 16,7% of initial price i bought. Well sucks, its not real money anyways.

Opties
REED ELSEVIER C Jun 07 12,00 20 2,75 5.500,00 2,80 5.600,00 -1,79 %
AALBERTS INDUSTR C Jun 07 14,50 20 6,30 12.600,00 6,40 12.800,00 -1,56 %

Now i bought those. For Call opties.

Shares are doing good for me:

Aandelen
REED ELSEVIER 1000 14,72 14.720,00 14,53 14.530,00 1,31 %
LAURUS 678 3,32 2.250,96 3,32 2.250,96 0,00 %
DRAKA HOLDING 600 31,40 18.840,00 31,39 18.834,00 0,03 %
ROYAL DUTCH SHELL A 300 27,64 8.292,00 27,63 8.289,00 0,04 %

Beleggingsfondsen
INTEREFF INDIA WAR 1900 2,57 4.883,00 2,55 4.845,00 0,78 %
INTEREFF CHINA WAR 1000 11,04 11.040,00 11,03 11.030,00 0,09 %
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:13    Post subject:
Why dont you come to www.belegger.nl, since you are dutch and we make a sub leageu, that would be fun.
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swingman




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:30    Post subject:
TheSaint wrote:
Why dont you come to www.belegger.nl, since you are dutch and we make a sub leageu, that would be fun.


Thanks but I used to play these kinds of investment games a long time ago. It's good training for people wanting to invest but I would rather invest that time in a real portfolio.

What are you doing with Laurus man? Very Happy That's a long term stock and I assume this game is short term. You should have more volatile short-term stuff like ABN, ASML, etc. And do you have to invest in those shitty investment funds as a rule? Razz My advice is make two portfolios; one a serious one which you would invest in with real money and a second one which is like crazy filled with high risk crap. Sell the whole index short. Very Happy
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Anencephalic123




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:32    Post subject:
If you are really into stock may I suggest the following.

Intelligent Investor - Benjamin Graeme
Security Analysis - Benjamin Graeme

These books are the foundation of investing. Benjamin Graeme is the guy who taught Buffet. Remember only buy stocks if you have the intestinal fortitude to see your stocks fall by 50% and still hold on. Always buy stocks assuming that you will never be able to sell them in the future. Therefore you see stocks as a percentage share of a business. This forces you to look at value rather than the price.
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swingman




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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:43    Post subject:
Anencephalic123 wrote:
Remember only buy stocks if you have the intestinal fortitude to see your stocks fall by 50% and still hold on. Always buy stocks assuming that you will never be able to sell them in the future. Therefore you see stocks as a percentage share of a business. This forces you to look at value rather than the price.


'intestinal fortitude' good one

Seriously though, I certainly can't argue with the likes of Warren Buffet but I can't see the logic in holding on to a stock after it's fallen by 50%. That kind of emotional investing leads to gambler's syndrome. I mean there's definitely a reason why the stock has fallen. Why should it rise now unless you know something the market doesn't.

As far as value is concerned, you might own a stock that performs beautifully financially but is undervalued on the market. How do get the hidden value out of that stock. You can't influence market sentiment.
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 13:52    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
TheSaint wrote:
Why dont you come to www.belegger.nl, since you are dutch and we make a sub leageu, that would be fun.


Thanks but I used to play these kinds of investment games a long time ago. It's good training for people wanting to invest but I would rather invest that time in a real portfolio.

What are you doing with Laurus man? Very Happy That's a long term stock and I assume this game is short term. You should have more volatile short-term stuff like ABN, ASML, etc. And do you have to invest in those shitty investment funds as a rule? Razz My advice is make two portfolios; one a serious one which you would invest in with real money and a second one which is like crazy filled with high risk crap. Sell the whole index short. Very Happy


Yea im just practicing with this,just fooling around. To bad, if you change your mind, come to subleageu casa pecunia.


Btw laurus, yeah just for fun, they need to get up a few cents and then i won my transaction costs back and a few bucks Very Happy
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spankie
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 17:55    Post subject:
Reed elsevier? lol

Just take some mining companies, i made shitloads on ALCOA (although i lost 15% on the china drop some time ago). Got them at $34.74, went to 30.00 and sold them at $40


Get in on ALCAN atm. Take over under way

and a lot on google. So volatile, you can double your money with options on 1 day.

Get some long calls on DNDN (dendreon)
long calls on MSFT (microsoft)
and some middle-long puts in yahoo (jun 2008)

That should do good.


But in the near future. Metals the way to go.

And the dollar is shit low now, so should get a rebound (at least i hope). Maybe you can cover via some currency futures Wink

my 2 cents



and dont buy call/puts of euro companies on euronext. They get suspended when they move 20% a day. Where is the fun in that Wink


-> and thats real money Wink
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 19:14    Post subject:
Thanks spankie, your in one of this fictieve beleggingsites?
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spankie
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 19:56    Post subject:
no, real bling bling.

I play in some competitions now and then. (KBC competition/tijd.be competition)

Thats how i started playing in real. And with real money, it is much more addicting. You cannot say "fuck it, stupid game, i quit" Wink

And I have a free account on www.optionsxpress.com. I use it to "test new strategies". hehe.
But you can play there as well. No game though. Only fictious money and have some fun Wink
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Tue, 29th May 2007 20:05    Post subject:
so whats your rendement?
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spankie
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 20:20    Post subject:
i started only in january with real money. So far me rendement is 10% in 5 months. So not that bad Wink
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 22:19    Post subject:
Pops was in a good mood last month since he got a bunch on stocks. Gave me 4k to go and buy a car with Very Happy

<3 stocks

Sense Amid Madness, Wit Amidst Folly
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 22:28    Post subject:
Spoilt brat! Razz
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 22:46    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Spoilt brat! Razz


That hurt Sad Those 4k were the first gift they gave me in 4 years. No, I don't get presents for my birthday or Christmas, just a day out of school. I like it that way Cool
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Jenni
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 22:53    Post subject:
Aww Tainted I was only kidding. Smile
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Rinze
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 23:32    Post subject:
There have been times I made a few k and other times I lose it again. Stockmarket is a fun game Smile
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tainted4ever
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PostPosted: Wed, 30th May 2007 23:51    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
Aww Tainted I was only kidding. Smile


I know, I know all is forgiven Smile Its just that I live in a rich area and people are quick to think of me as a snob, while really my parents encourage me to work me ass off for anything I want. They realize that they can easily spoil me, but since one of them grew up on a farm with no electricity, and the other was the brat of a Navy officer and a broke radio operator, they want me to learn how to work my way through life, and hope that I do the same with my kids. So it really bites deep when someone calls me spoiled Sad
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2007 10:31    Post subject:
woo ASML is kicking ass, _4.08 %.

to bad i only bought 110 stocks
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swingman




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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2007 14:25    Post subject:
TheSaint wrote:
woo ASML is kicking ass, _4.08 %.


Very Happy

Be careful though because that stock is verrrry volatile and can easily go 4% the other way without any reason behind it. The good thing is that if you can time it well then you can make money on the positive as well as the negative swings. Goldman just put TomTom on their buy list.
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2007 15:14    Post subject:
swingman wrote:
TheSaint wrote:
woo ASML is kicking ass, _4.08 %.


Very Happy

Be careful though because that stock is verrrry volatile and can easily go 4% the other way without any reason behind it. The good thing is that if you can time it well then you can make money on the positive as well as the negative swings. Goldman just put TomTom on their buy list.


haha it gone up to 9%, i sold it at 4%. To bad but better safe then sorry Very Happy.


More tips?
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TheSaint
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PostPosted: Thu, 31st May 2007 15:15    Post subject:
Btw where did you get that goldman puts tomtom on his buy list?
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