Ok so I really don't want to see any negative posts in here please. My buddy is starting a site that has to do with a wide array of different out of the normal topics.
VooDoo & Witch Craft
UFO and ET Life forms
Ghost and Apparitions
Legendary Creatures
Life in the Future
Conspiracy
etc etc
Anywho I'm going to be one of the mods on the discussion board for it so im just curious since that last topic about sites for ghosts, how many of you would be willing to join the board and help make it fun and what not.
I was/is really heavy in to UFOs and stuff...I still follow the scene to some extent. I actually was part of a mass (not many UFOs, just one BIG! one but many ppl saw it) sighting in Stockholm back in 1989. Have been in to UFOs since I was a kid...don't ask me why. They are here and thats a fact. Some Governments even say so sort a semi on the record. I somehow think that this phenomena could also be related somewhat to ghost sightings and other paranormal events.
But regarding this site, what would be so special compared to the ca 200.000 other sites about
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VooDoo & Witch Craft
UFO and ET Life forms
Ghost and Apparitions
Legendary Creatures
Life in the Future
Conspiracy
etc etc
They (extraterrestrials) are here. I never saw them. Why should a (or even some) race(s) that is (are) able to cross the vast distances between stars or even galaxies just to decide to show itself only to "special" individuals. If they want to get into contact with humans they would - if they just want to observe then they would not. (I assume here, a race this advanced would have perfect means of cloaking)
What are your reasons for declaring their presence (not existence) a fact.
Gravity exists - that is fact. Every being can observe it (given a concept of change - called time in human terms) everywhere in the whole universe.
Don't take this post personal - i just really want to hear your reasons. But only declaring facts without background is just on the same shaky ground as religion.
Oh and another question: If these sightings are really accidents. Then sill remains the question: why do they visit us so often - in other terms: are we really that interesting ? Shouldn't there be other at least equally interesting species. What justifies this interest in mankind ?
I'd join I love the paranormal, not saying i guillibly believe it all - but keep an open mind on all topics.. theres more things on heaven and earth... as the saying goes
Iv seen a documentary about Crop Circles, and there is no way they can be fake.
They measure high energy inside them, find particles of strange metal. The straws aren't broken, just perfectly bended over. And they are just to perfect (some of them) to be made by humans. Im mostly talking about those sick ones in England. There are also some other places. But some of them might be fake.
people being captured by UFOs... I doubt that. But there are so many footages/videos of UFOs and people using their whole life to study them. I think its to ignorant to just say they doesn't exist.
Ghost... well just go to a haunted place. There are things you can't explain. Hard to say what it is, but strange energies.
I think these are much more real than for example horoscope
Sorry i think i am too scientific and (literally) too down too earth for these subjects.
Still I consider my self open minded to new or alternative (even not-(yet)-provable) theories - like string theory as an alternative view of the world on a subatomic scale.
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They measure high energy inside them, find particles of strange metal.
What kind of "high energy" ? And what is a strange metal ? It is certainly not unknown.
deelix wrote:
The straws aren't broken, just perfectly bended over. And they are just to perfect (some of them) to be made by humans. Im mostly talking about those sick ones in England. There are also some other places. But some of them might be fake.
The bended straws sound interesting. Still there may be alternative scientific theories. e.g . bending straws can be done by making them wet.
Perfect in which sense ? As geometrical figures ? Thats just a human interpretation.
Some say Math is the universal language - still it carries human concepts. Like a usually thinking in euclidean spaces.
I think i said enough to UFOs and extraterrestrials.
deelix wrote:
Ghost... well just go to a haunted place. There are things you can't explain. Hard to say what it is, but strange energies.
Hmmm, again this energies thing. What is a strange energy - how is it different from "conventional" energy ?
And another...they are from another...(this is the weirdest) dimension or "place" that don't require wast distance of travel. But they are here where ever they came from...
Like I said I saw some weird shit that night back in 89 or what have you...and "THAT!" was not from this planet...I could tell you but I guess I will in a later post
And to the why they are here (there is many races apparently) well "they" have many agendas but the most common one or at least the most believable for me is "commercial!" "they" are not that different from us in that respect, "they" harvest DNA and what have you...its a big market out there....for "our" stuff That they are here to save the planet...well it might seem that way, but believe me "they" are only protecting their interests (stocks) and its that simple..."WE" are only commodity = $ or what ever "they" trade in...yup, I told you, I read up on this shit and, NO! I have not lost it yet
Oh I forgot one more..."they" are US! in the future...coming here to put us back on track to follow their "time-line" and there is a cuple...it gets sort a complicated here...but in short one theory is that they are "US!" from the future.
No don't think you lost it (yet ). You made some interesting points there but let me add some things. (I will watch these two links later)
Not needing to travel these distances can mean basically 2 things in physics
(1st) Einstein's postulate of light speed being the absolute maximum velocity is wrong (this is very unlikely)
(2nd) Fold space (yep now i sound like scifi, but) - string theory would allow wormholes to exist , even if the energy requirements would be astronomical to create one - leaving aside to a specific point in space
(String theory also requires that our fabric of space and time consists of ~20 dimensions - not really like these scifi ones - but in _really theoretical terms_ inter-membrane-travel (hence the name M-Theory, these membranes would be your dimensions) could be possible.
For now i fed you enough physics to strengthen some of your positions. Let's take a look at the mindset of these extraterrestrials.
In my opinion the bases theory could be true - but then these aliens (i tried to avoid the term for obvious reasons) agenda would be really strange. Being advanced enough to cross the whole universe and then they would need something from us (rather primitive beings).
And for an universal bazaar ? What is sold there (Humans as slaves - which cannot even grasp the simple mathematics of 26 dimensional hypergravitation ) ?
For what purpose then ? If we are a commodity - then we carry something in us they need.
But what could that possibly be (now don't get started with souls - or i will have to slap you) And if they are so unimaginably advanced why can't the catch one human, cut him open, put him into the molecular-ultra-scan-a-tron 3000 and then artificially produce the commodity ?
In reply of your Edit: and they are "US" from the future.
Now this is quite interesting - but who is who - as they know enough about our society from previous times and have the technology to adapt themselves.
Doing this all to change the time line ? Why and in which direction ? And would not a change of our time line negate their existence ?
Dum Dum Dum - Most interesting Question - And why now (from our point of view) ? Think about it - it would be much easier to manipulate time at the very beginning of the universe - no accidental sightings (which influence the time line) - much less detail work
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(1st) Einstein's postulate of light speed being the absolute maximum velocity is wrong (this is very unlikely)
If you do some "Google" searching there...its already been proven wrong...or at least not sufficient to explain some stuff we see "today" in quantum physics or particle physics or what have you...its like saying that the earth was flat back in the olden days...we will not find what is the real deal in...at least our life time....we are monkeys and we will stay monkeys for a foreseeable time...thats just what we are...monkeys that think we are smart because we "evolved" over ....40.000 years or so...whats that in the eye of evolution...not a big deal, believe me.
EDIT: If you want the truth...check out the latest episode of "American Dad" S20E13
There truth is out there....just look hard for it
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Einstein never prove this. It is a postulate (not proven - and not likely to be proven). More like a consequence of his theory.
Also i put it in rather simple terms - there are phenomena (quantum entanglement, tunnel effect) that occur (almost) instantaneously (i mean FTL (faster than light)).
Still that postulate was never proven wrong in its meaning.
But to put it more correct terms - no INFORMATION may be transmitted faster than light.
That means a quantum computer does not compute infinitely fast and if you would manage to accelerate some object (e.g. a car) at a speed where it could "tunnel" through a brick wall - maybe (quantum uncertainty) it would tunnel - but on the other side there not instantaneously appear a car but more instantaneously a deformed lump of mass and radiation.
You're right if you say 40.000 years is only a glimpse of evolution.
Btw: as a Computer science/philosophy major I really enjoy such conversations
I was/is really heavy in to UFOs and stuff...I still follow the scene to some extent. I actually was part of a mass (not many UFOs, just one BIG! one but many ppl saw it) sighting in Stockholm back in 1989. Have been in to UFOs since I was a kid...don't ask me why. They are here and thats a fact. Some Governments even say so sort a semi on the record. I somehow think that this phenomena could also be related somewhat to ghost sightings and other paranormal events.
But regarding this site, what would be so special compared to the ca 200.000 other sites about
Quote:
VooDoo & Witch Craft
UFO and ET Life forms
Ghost and Apparitions
Legendary Creatures
Life in the Future
Conspiracy
etc etc
Nah I didnt forget the link, the sites not up yet, as far as the other sites, not saying its gunna be better than them, it's just a project he wants to do in his free time so hey, I thought I'd try to get him some people that would be interested.
That forum seems to base around just ET subjects, were going further out on conspiracy theories of just about anything we can find, things we (everyone who joins) think the future will consist of, ghosts as far as hauntings and sightings go, lochness(sp?) monster and mabye some other creatures not yet proven to not exist and so forth
Haha , that video was one of the most boring I've seen. One of the first guys, says that he got shit on tapes. Whoa! O rly? Then fucking show us...But noooooo... haha. It's ok to believe in this shit, as much as Jesus and Allah or whatever, but without some other evidence than old people talking about what they "know" , I'm not gonna buy it. I gave the video 35-isch minutes of my time, can't see how it's gonna be any better.
And the theory about the USA government hiding shit...yawn. Maybe they do, but don't you think that the rest of the world would find their own stuff then? Nah, thats right, the ufos only visit USA and crash there (So the FBI and what not can recover all the evidence and hide it). haha , what a load of bullshit.
Give me a good HD-video of them, and maybe I will start to believe .
Look at my avatar..that's reason enough...a super squirrel? cmon!
So is anyone else interested in joining when it's up? as I said this is not strictly aliens, ufo's n stuff like that, were talking legendary creatures , Conspiracy Theoretics, Ghosts & Apparitions etc etc.
Can I suggest a Fortean section, where people can submit not just paranormal things bu 'odd' and 'weird' things they may have read in the press - toads found alive in stones that are millions of years old.. that sort of thing?
As to Fairy tales and fables i'm sure a lot are based in fact - every culture since recorded history has stories of people seeing fairies and nature spirits, sprites,nymphs etc.. this was long before the onset of modern communication (TV etc) so it cannot be 'copied' from other cultures. so why are most accounts so similar to each other?
I do actually think a vast amount of paranormal phenomena is not from an outside source but comes from the mind - hallucination etc.. the human mind is unbelievably imaginative and creative - also open to suggestion. But there does remain a small amount of phenomena that cannot be explained in this way.
Oh and a ley line section I know this is a very British and north European thing. But theres plenty of ancient sites in the states and south America that are often overlooked.. as well as the mediteranean ..
pleny of other phenomena you may have not thought of including - but i'll shut up for now
And again, sorry. Its not possible the way its made. Its symetric, and some of them even contained methods that was unknown to humans. The sickest part of it... i mean, this really blew my mind. Carl Sagan made a message he sendt out to space in 1974. We got an answer in... i think it was 2004. Where we could see the differences. That they had another DNA, and that they live in their 3rd, 4th and 5th planet in their solar system, and that they have a population of 21,3 billion. This is fucking sick...
Don't know if any of you have heard about this. Its in Bolton, right by the big telescope.
and btw, they have checked what humans can do. Its pretty amazing, but nothing like this, and not in less than 4-5 days. They can also appear on seconds.
And its also located round bright things flying around the circle, also days after.
one of the guys in the documentary came really close to one, he tells the story of how it was.
Find a good crop circle documentary! Awesome phenomena imo..
Can I suggest a Fortean section, where people can submit not just paranormal things bu 'odd' and 'weird' things they may have read in the press - toads found alive in stones that are millions of years old.. that sort of thing?
As to Fairy tales and fables i'm sure a lot are based in fact - every culture since recorded history has stories of people seeing fairies and nature spirits, sprites,nymphs etc.. this was long before the onset of modern communication (TV etc) so it cannot be 'copied' from other cultures. so why are most accounts so similar to each other?
I do actually think a vast amount of paranormal phenomena is not from an outside source but comes from the mind - hallucination etc.. the human mind is unbelievably imaginative and creative - also open to suggestion. But there does remain a small amount of phenomena that cannot be explained in this way.
Oh and a ley line section I know this is a very British and north European thing. But theres plenty of ancient sites in the states and south America that are often overlooked.. as well as the mediteranean ..
pleny of other phenomena you may have not thought of including - but i'll shut up for now
ya were open up to suggestion and I quite like yours, stuff like stonehenge and what not.
The sadest thing is that it seems like more people believe in God than this...
I think cause religion has been around alot longer and people seem to feel they need a faith to renergize them or have some sort of higher power over them than ET's making crop circles. I personally like these subjects cause they go all out and make you think as well as require a more intelligent imagination and education of science than "Oh...it was done by god, end of story" At least with these theories and conspiracy's different theorys are brought to mind and discussed under different possibilities under our current laws of science as well breaking those rules of what COULD be possible
I'll join. I won't mod it. At all. I'll abuse my power and lol at the poor saps. But I wanna join. Like this shit too. As long as it'll not be riddled with 9999999 word essays.
lol im not asking for mods but thanks for letting me know ahead of time haha. So far were just putting a discussion board up so you all can start the topics and get the members flowing and what not. So as far as essays, I dunno about that, what your reading on the board is what others share as well as discussions, opinions, finding and so forth. While thats going we'll be working on the portal where articles and stuff will take place.
This is the kind of vids you're thinking, oh my god... its so fake, it looks radio controlled... but just look at the end speed. Goes of so fucking fast :\
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For now i fed you enough physics to strengthen some of your positions. Let's take a look at the mindset of these extraterrestrials.
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