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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 02:05    Post subject: Dhimmis
Right, I wrote a post earlier but I have no idea where it went so 'ere we go again:

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First i'd like to point out that I am in no way a muslim friendly person, something some of you might have understod from other posts by me. I don't think they are less worth as humans - but I just don't want them in my country as I think their way of thinking is too different from the culture I come from. This have been discussed before and its NOT what this post is about - so please, don't get started on it.

My post is about the constant use of the word "dhimmi". Each and every second post in the World News section (apart from the ones by the ones who are on the muslims side ofc) - the word dhimmi is being thrown at every muslim defending person or country. I might be the only one who feels like this - but constantly calling people or countries dhimmi's as soon as they are positive to muslims is starting to sound as bad as calling a black guy nigger. I've heard europe being called dhimmis shitloads of times in the World News section and tbh its starting to get anoying. I don't mind if You pint point some leader or person and call them muslim friendly - but to constantly yell Dhimmi at everyone is starting to get very anoying. Now I don't expect people to care about my feeling towards this and thats actually fine - but I still just wanted to share how I feel about it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 02:15    Post subject:
All I can say is if someone wants to come to my country to make a life for them selves. Then they should adopt my countries values and customs.

A guy said on the news about the Mega Mosque in london with the capacity of 70 thousand people, that there should be no mosques allowed to be built from here on in until Saudi starts letting Christians build churches.

I fully agree with that sentiment.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 02:18    Post subject:
I totally agree on that one - but my post is about the constant namecalling Smile


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 02:58    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
A guy said on the news about the Mega Mosque in london with the capacity of 70 thousand people, that there should be no mosques allowed to be built from here on in until Saudi starts letting Christians build churches. .


sorry, but in no way would I want my country being as intolerant as saudi arabia Wink

as to the original post, yeah ... I'm pretty fucking sick of it as well ... but hardly surprised that those on 'the right' have to resort to name calling


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 03:09    Post subject:
You know full well who we have to blame for that, Anthirs.
To be fully honest, it kinda makes me sick too and I'm not even religious...imagine how a muslim must feel if he/she reads through that shit.I sometimes silently admire compubrain for keeping his cool in the face of all that abuse.
I just don't understand how or why the mods allow it to happen.

It's not just dhimmis either, it ranges from holy paedophile cultists to camel fornicators. Sad
No wonder so few people are contributing to discussions in the world news subforum these days...
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 03:16    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
All I can say is if someone wants to come to my country to make a life for them selves. Then they should adopt my countries values and customs.

A guy said on the news about the Mega Mosque in london with the capacity of 70 thousand people, that there should be no mosques allowed to be built from here on in until Saudi starts letting Christians build churches.

I fully agree with that sentiment.


damn, you hit it really spot on.

come here, adjust. if you dont, you can fucking leave. if you dont wanto leave then you should get fucked up. it harshe for some communists i know but thats life. ADJUST OR FUCK OFF.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 04:47    Post subject:
I totally agree. Calling someone a dhimmis is no better than calling someone a "nigger lover". It is equally as offensive. Tired of racism and intolerance.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 09:59    Post subject:
nouseforaname wrote:


sorry, but in no way would I want my country being as intolerant as saudi arabia Wink

It's not about being intolerant, it's about equality.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 12:11    Post subject:
Lets make it clear:

A muslim friendly -> Someone who has many muslim freinds with whom he plays poker, goes to the gym, celebrates their holidays and they celebrate his... A real mutual friendship.

A dhimmi -> Someone who agrees to give up parts of his freedom and values so just the other side (a muslim one in our case) would feel happy about him... The main reason of dhimmitude is fear.

Why we call such people dhimmis? Because if or when islam will take over their country, there'll be 2 types of people: Those who will fight and those who will be dhimmis.
Those who are called dhimmis now, are the potential real dhimmis of the future.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 12:14    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:


sorry, but in no way would I want my country being as intolerant as saudi arabia Wink

It's not about being intolerant, it's about equality.

Exactly...
Dhimmitude is about confusing between tolerance and equality... Being tolerant to the islamic intolerance.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 12:23    Post subject:
You call everyone who doesnt agree with you a dhimmi and most of europe are dhimmis according to you. Imo you shouldnt be so bloody fast with namecalling.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 12:29    Post subject:
Anthirs wrote:
You call everyone who doesnt agree with you a dhimmi and most of europe are dhimmis according to you. Imo you shouldnt be so bloody fast with namecalling.

Usualy I call very specific people in Europe dhimmis... If it's a governmental policy or something, I call it dhimmitude.

Anyway I usualy try to not generalize, and use the word dhimmis only on people who deserve to be called like that according to the above definition.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 12:32    Post subject:
KnightRider2006 wrote:
I totally agree. Calling someone a dhimmis is no better than calling someone a "nigger lover". It is equally as offensive. Tired of racism and intolerance.


But posting a sig with swastika-nazi signs is okay. Your common believes for the win. Confused
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 13:40    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:


sorry, but in no way would I want my country being as intolerant as saudi arabia Wink

It's not about being intolerant, it's about equality.


Why would you want to be equal to Saudi Arabia? Most Muslim countries are not as extreme as the Saudis you know.

@topic, spot on Wink
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 16:07    Post subject:
You've got it vice versa. Saudi needs to be more moderate like the UK.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 16:11    Post subject:
compubrain3000 wrote:
Jenni wrote:
nouseforaname wrote:


sorry, but in no way would I want my country being as intolerant as saudi arabia Wink

It's not about being intolerant, it's about equality.


Why would you want to be equal to Saudi Arabia? Most Muslim countries are not as extreme as the Saudis you know.

@topic, spot on Wink
But are there other muslim countries with "religious police"?
That seems REALLY fucked up. It sounds like they have to force people to do their daily routines. I mean, its their own fault if they don't come to... whatever place with lots of virgins. Damn, i wounder if that country will ever come out of their shell.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 17:00    Post subject: Re: Dhimmis
Anthirs wrote:
Right, I wrote a post earlier but I have no idea where it went so 'ere we go again:
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First i'd like to point out that I am in no way a muslim friendly person, something some of you might have understod from other posts by me. I don't think they are less worth as humans - but I just don't want them in my country as I think their way of thinking is too different from the culture I come from. This have been discussed before and its NOT what this post is about - so please, don't get started on it.
My post is about the constant use of the word "dhimmi". Each and every second post in the World News section (apart from the ones by the ones who are on the muslims side ofc) - the word dhimmi is being thrown at every muslim defending person or country. I might be the only one who feels like this - but constantly calling people or countries dhimmi's as soon as they are positive to muslims is starting to sound as bad as calling a black guy nigger. I've heard europe being called dhimmis shitloads of times in the World News section and tbh its starting to get anoying. I don't mind if You pint point some leader or person and call them muslim friendly - but to constantly yell Dhimmi at everyone is starting to get very anoying. Now I don't expect people to care about my feeling towards this and thats actually fine - but I still just wanted to share how I feel about it.
In case you havent noticed it, the word 'dhimmi' is used to annoy. It works and it will be used in the future and maybe even dhimmis will be legislated by law in some countries[maybe in your country too?]. Have a good dhimmi time, dhimmi.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 17:29    Post subject:
mark322 wrote:


A dhimmi -> Someone who agrees to give up parts of his freedom and values so just the other side (a muslim one in our case) would feel happy about him... The main reason of dhimmitude is fear.

Why we call such people dhimmis? Because if or when islam will take over their country, there'll be 2 types of people: Those who will fight and those who will be dhimmis.
Those who are called dhimmis now, are the potential real dhimmis of the future.


When did I ever said I wanted to give up my freedom? The fear from my side is irrationalism and fearing of the unknown which you posess and what you might act out of when it comes to that.
I have never wanted anyone to take over my country, I want to protect those who cant protect themselves on these one sided discussions. I believe in a multi ehtic community which has ground principle of nationality and an certain amount of understandment towards those who are different, and what is wrong with that?
We are all people in the end.
I dont know if I should laugh or cry at your fear mark... Maybe I should cry because its that kind of attitude, which will bring us all down in the end.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 18:14    Post subject:
Jenni wrote:
A guy said on the news about the Mega Mosque in london with the capacity of 70 thousand people, that there should be no mosques allowed to be built from here on in until Saudi starts letting Christians build churches.

I fully agree with that sentiment.


You're judging all muslims by the actions of a very small minority. Why do you think that British muslims are responsible for the actions of Saudi Arabia?

Almost all other muslim countries have churces and synagogues.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 18:15    Post subject:
this discussion is pointless.

mark thinks muslims are taking over the world Rolling Eyes


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 18:16    Post subject: Re: Dhimmis
Freakness wrote:
Have a good dhimmi time, dhimmi.


... what a mature answer.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 18:23    Post subject:
deelix wrote:
But are there other muslim countries with "religious police"?


Maybe Iran, but i'm not sure.

deelix wrote:
That seems REALLY fucked up. It sounds like they have to force people to do their daily routines. I mean, its their own fault if they don't come to... whatever place with lots of virgins. Damn, i wounder if that country will ever come out of their shell.


The only way the country is coming out of its shell is when the oil runs out. Wahabis were beaten once before (by the Egyptian army), but since the discovery of oil and the disappearance of the Ottoman empire, they have become too rich and too powerful for anyone to challenge them Sad
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 18:40    Post subject:
compubrain3000 wrote:

You're judging all muslims by the actions of a very small minority. Why do you think that British muslims are responsible for the actions of Saudi Arabia?

Almost all other muslim countries have churces and synagogues.
I never said that they did. I am however saying that even moderate muslims are against a massive, infact gigantic mosque. Which by all accounts is funded by a group which has ties with a terrorist group at the very least.



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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 19:27    Post subject: Re: Dhimmis
Anthirs wrote:
Freakness wrote:
Have a good dhimmi time, dhimmi.

... what a mature answer.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 20:31    Post subject: Re: Dhimmis
Freakness wrote:
Anthirs wrote:
Freakness wrote:
Have a good dhimmi time, dhimmi.

... what a mature answer.
You bitch like a girl so I though ill act like a lil boy. Very Happy


Unless you have noticed - this IS the bitching session.

Oh, and nobody have called me a dhimmi (apart from you that is) I just think its so incredible lame to do it.


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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 22:04    Post subject:
Face it, your fantasy world idea where all people live together friendly wont work.
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PostPosted: Mon, 12th Feb 2007 22:31    Post subject:
Freakness wrote:
Face it, your fantasy world idea where all people live together friendly wont work.


My fantasyworld? You honestly read my first post? I don't want the muslims in my country or in europe.


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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Feb 2007 01:05    Post subject:
kuroi wrote:
No wonder so few people are contributing to discussions in the world news subforum these days...


it has been going downhill for some time now. A fitting quote from an nforce users location text from some time back: "Anywhere but world news"

I only read the headlines from time to time and have stopped discussing there, as its only black and white bullshit with too many stupid fascists thrown in the mix...

Edit: and WTF is a "dhimmi" anyways?
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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Feb 2007 02:56    Post subject:
Lutzifer wrote:

Edit: and WTF is a "dhimmi" anyways?


Not sure, but I think Anthirs is one. Wink
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PostPosted: Tue, 13th Feb 2007 14:29    Post subject:
Lutzifer wrote:
Edit: and WTF is a "dhimmi" anyways?


Just what i was thinking, appearantly that word hasn't reached germany yet.

And on topic, i think Jenni's right, you can't speak intolerance and expect tolerance from others.

Which brings me nicely to my next point, compubrain said we're judging all muslims by a very small extremist minority. Well a muslim terrorist blows himself up somewhere, the "western world" is appauled by it, but the muslim world population either stands by quietly or actually celebrates the attack. Of course there are always a few muslims who condemn the terrorists actions but you can hardly call them a majority.
I don't think all muslims are potentially terrorists of course, but the muslim extremists are a problem the muslim community has to take care of. As long as that isn't happening, the muslim community is at least partly responsible for what the extremists are doing.

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