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azzman
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 Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 02:37 Post subject: [XBOX360] Exclusive: 360 HDMI Proof - HR Pictures and Video |
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>> Here's a bit more about the news published earlier about the Xbox 360 'Zephyr' prototype with HDMI port. It's the 2nd time a HMDI picture leaked (1st time here if you missed it) and it looks like there are still many people that don't (want to) believe it ... so I guess it's time we come clear because Microsoft doesn't and we think you as customer has the right to know what's coming.
Microsoft still refuses to acknowledge it ... this is what they replied today to several news outlets:
"We have seen all types of claimed leaked photos like this show up online and as a standard policy we don't comment on speculative items."
We managed to get some exclusive High-Resolution pictures for x-scene of a 'Zephyr' prototype with the HDMI port. No, it's no retail Xbox360, it's a prototype board ... but Microsoft had to design a new scaler chip named 'HANA' (replacing the (analog-only?) 'ANA' chip found in current retail and dev Xboxes), I doubt they'll do that effort for nothing. You will also notice several other changes to the motherboard.
Microsoft always refused to answer any question about a possible HDMI-cable for the Xbox360 (even when asked for explicitly), but this HANA chip probably confirms the current 360 can only output an analog signal, so an HDMI-cable for the current 360 probably won't be possible (sure they could design a cable/box that reconverts the analog output to digital, but that makes no sense and is not the point).
Note: we can't tell/confirm you if the HDMI port, 65nm CPU and larger (120gb) HD are linked to each other. They might or might not be released together. The 65nm CPU is coming for all Xbox models anyway (confirmed by MS and Chartered long time ago + delay news). And it's also pretty obvious (with current demand and video marketplace) that MS will release a larger HD sooner or later, this requires no change to the motherboard.
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http://www.xbox-scene.com/xbox1data/sep/EEylpyZkVpwzemjZKk.php
Bummer , no HDMI for you  (10 million people that is)
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azzman
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 04:17 Post subject: |
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this confirms that the current 360 can not output digital video , so no possibility at all for a HDMI cable. This is a disappointment for many I can tell you.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 06:30 Post subject: |
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I'm so glad I waited to get the 360.
I'll wait until the 120gb model comes out.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 09:55 Post subject: |
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Changing shape or color of a v2 of a device is understandable, however, adding an HDMI port - well, that's not right.
M$ - I own an xbox360 and love it, but if these romurs are true, I'm through with the 360.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 11:18 Post subject: |
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Well that's extremely annoying, I read about this a while ago and I never actually thought Microsoft would actually redesign the console and add a proper HDMI port to the console. That really screws over the monumental amount of people that have already bought the console. A lot of the people that already have one probably wouldn't even notice the difference anyway, or may just use normal TV's @ 420i/560i, but they can't have a digital signal even if they wanted too.
I wonder if this console is built specifically for developers or not. If it isn't, I agree with Steve-O and hope that it's a crap load more expensive than current Xbox 360's.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 11:41 Post subject: |
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I'd feel robbed if they did this sort of thing. Fuck Microsoft.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 12:21 Post subject: |
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an action against this crap should be made, a petition or something...
M$, once and for all needs to understand, we are the reason they make their millions.
I swear, If M$ would do it, I'm switching to Sony - I hope a lot will do as me.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 14:00 Post subject: |
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Thats why its a safer bet to get a Nintendo Wii, I Suspected Microsoft would pull this stunt if it materialises.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 14:05 Post subject: |
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I don't care if they release a revised 360 with a HDMI port and a 120GB disk as long as i can play all the upcoming games with my current console. I think the HDMI port is just used for watching encrypted movies on the 360, i doubt that future games depend on HDMI in any way, and not on the bigger hard disk either.
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 14:14 Post subject: |
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| FusionDexterity wrote: | | Thats why its a safer bet to get a Nintendo Wii, I Suspected Microsoft would pull this stunt if it materialises. |
That I could care less about. I am not in Nintendo's target audience. I don't like games for children and I don't like shitty graphics. |
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fwb73
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 14:38 Post subject: |
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oh get over it
its not like these 'upgrades' are going to be needed to play your games...
the processor is the same but manufactured on a smaller die therefore will run cooler than current one but IS the same processor it wont have any other advantages than lower heat/power consumption
the 120gb hdd (which isnt confirmed yet) will be available as a seperate purchase as is the current one....but no current games require the hdd yet and wont require a 120gb drive ever.....think how many disc the game would come on if it needed more than 20gb
the hdmi port is a bonus but not necessary for gaming...only for those who want it as a hddvd system..
if you want the 360 as a topend media centre then get the new when it arrives next summer...it will be great, quiter more storage & hdmi....by the time its out there might be more of a leader in the hd disc war
if you moaning on about 'm$ screwed me....blah blah blah...i wont be able to play my games....i bought the 360 so i wont ever need another games machine EVER again' grow up...get a life...
the console world is nowhere near the crazy pc upgrade position which most pc gamers actually love (my gfx is bigger than ur gfx)
there have been various console changes before....ps1 revisions...psx....ps2...ps2 slim...ps2 hdd....xbox v1-v1.6....gba...ds....etc etc etc
i personally will never need hdmi during the life of my 360...vga does me fine
cooler processor would be nice but big deal....
bigger hdd would be nice but i would only really use it if xblive arcade games get lots bigger...or if homebrew/hdd loader appears...now that i can stream from my pc i dont have a lot of mmedia on the 360...just a few demos
if you feel that hard done by then you shouldnt have bought ur 360...should have waited for the inevitable...or bought a ps3...
ps3 will most likely get a change at some point either to stop hacking or to add an upscaler
wii will likely get dvd upgrade or something when the novelty of wiimote cools off and they have to compete more with seasoned (even if preteen) gamers
sorry rant over
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 15:58 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | oh get over it
its not like these... |
I couldn't care less about a CPU that'll run a few degrees lower, and the bigger hard drives will be available seperately, it's the fact that the new system features a HDMI port which is a major change, why should I suffer because I supported Microsoft and wanted a next gen console around the release time? I wouldn't be as bothered if they could make a seperate adaptor or similar (kinda like the HD DVD player) but they can't, as it's not possible since it's an analog chip inside the machine.
And regarding the console changes you've mentioned, yeah they get changed. Like the GPU fan removed from the Xbox 1 in the 1st revision, and different power supplies. But these kinda changes are no where near as massive as switching the console from analog video/audio to digital.
I guess my point is, why should I have to suffer because I got mine 6 months after the Xbox 360 came out? Answer: I shouldn't, nor should anyone else.
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Weedo
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 18:14 Post subject: |
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If MS wants to give their new customers more than what we got then just let them have it. No reason to be selfish and to start petitions against it only because of anger. Especially when it's not a must-have and won't be required by future games.
I would rather like a promise from MS that there won't ever be another 360 game with a 1280x1024 VGA bug on a 5:4 TFT. Then I would be happy since a perfectly working VGA solution would be enough for me.
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fwb73
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| Posted: Sun, 7th Jan 2007 23:53 Post subject: |
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I'd rather sell my current 360 and pay a little more to get HDMI than pay 299 for a 50 dollar Gamecube in a new box (Wii).
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Jan 2007 21:11 Post subject: |
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| azzman wrote: | | this confirms that the current 360 can not output digital video , so no possibility at all for a HDMI cable. This is a disappointment for many I can tell you. |
This is in now way any kinda confirmation about digital output. If indeed this video is real.
Just becasue there is a port, doent mean anything. There is still a huge possibility for a HDMI cable addon.
And since none of this is confermed by MS, its all rumors, nothing more.
On my 50inch SXRD i dont see any difference between 1080i and 1080p.And im running 1080i via compenents and 1080p via HDMI. I compared the X360 HD-DVD drive using king kong to a toshiba HD-A1 using the same kingkong. Little or no difference
Now if i had a cheap TV that doesnt deinterlace peroperly (My SXRD Deinterlaced and converts everything to 1080p Native) like a westing house LCD or other budget TV, then you may notice a better picture via HDMI.
| Jenni wrote: | | I drunk. I don't fucking care! |
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Jan 2007 21:33 Post subject: |
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What difference will the HDMI port make? I'll get an Xbox soon, and plug it into my DVI extension on the TV to play in HD, what's the difference between this and HDMI?
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| Posted: Mon, 8th Jan 2007 22:05 Post subject: |
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You can't connect your xbox to your dvi port unless it has an HDMI port.
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Bigperm
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 21:43 Post subject: |
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Well its been confermed by MS that its just a work in progress or a prototype, and will probalby never hit retail stores. They said they make many prototypes such as these, but they are never intended for comercial production.
Now if i can only remember the source links.
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| Posted: Wed, 10th Jan 2007 21:52 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 17th Jan 2007 16:34 Post subject: |
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It makes me fairly sad that there will be no DVI or HDMI on the 360 natively and is one of the reasons I'm still considering a PS3. However the online system for the 360 is a lot more extensive and the games for the PS3 are beginning to disappoint me. Something big needs to hit shelves or it's just not going to be worth it.
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Parallax_
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| Posted: Thu, 18th Jan 2007 13:10 Post subject: |
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It won't have new mobo or layout, just a 65nm CPU. Overheating everyone is suffering from? So far my Xbox360 runs just perfect. 
My X1900XTX runs at 75 C under load, same as nVIDIA cards. What a load of bullocks.
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| Posted: Thu, 18th Jan 2007 21:37 Post subject: |
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they should consider more of making the mouse and keyboard support and not that crap that came out that converts the pad to mouse and stuff, and if they put larger hdd they should add recording function to it so you can put media on your hdd and not only stream from pc.
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| Posted: Fri, 19th Jan 2007 00:57 Post subject: |
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| NForce2007 wrote: | | the main thing is they fix the over heating problems ( 3 red lights..etc ) everyone is suffering from |
Never had overheating issues myself either with my console, the console itself doesn't overheat really, it's more than likely where people place it in their homes, such as where the air temperature is alot higher in that area than the general room is, like near a radiator is alot hotter than near a window.
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.this is where you will notice the PS3 been cooler because it uses the Nvidia GPU which is much cooler than ATI but not as rich graphics as the ATI.
