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 Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 16:59 Post subject: What do you guys think about chemtrails??? No flame plz! |
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Lemme tell you about myself a little bit, I am 35 years old and I allways liked nature but these last 8 years or so I am seeing these weird things occuring so I started looking around and came upon this site,
http://www.rense.com/politics6/chemdatapage.html
full of the stuff I was witnessing firsthand in my own hometown(population of ~27000), I had never ever seen these chemtrails over my town, and all of a sudden these things started popping up everywhere. Now you would say yeah its from a plane's exhaust but no this was different, what I was witnessing was hundreds of distinct marks over my town as if a 100 planes were flying over(and this is impossible since we don't have commercial or military airbases anywhere near us, not even remotely close). Its as if these planes were laying out a pattern like the foto on below link,
http://home.wanadoo.nl/aea.thunder/Satellietfotos.htm
so seriously abnormal to say the least. So I contacted my friend who's a military airplane engineer and showed him following video,
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6432590138024652983&q
and he immediately found a couple of things very odd, this boeing was also secreting these trails, I asked him why do you find this odd, well he told me that these type of planes have engines that don't secrete trails, especially not at that altitude where the air is so thin, he told me the only possible explanation was that something was actively being secreted on purpose. And he knows plane engines inside out.
Also people in germany have investigated these chemtrails and found them to continue heavy substances of barium and aluminum, stuff seriously bad for your health, they sent a letter to the german government on which following response came back,
http://www.chemtrails.ch/briefe/briefgreifahn.htm
in short the government admits to spraying the general public with this crap, a quick free translation says something of the following,
| Quote: | I agree with your concerns. Instead of making a concerted and determined effort to reduce greenhouse gas emissions throughout the world, experiments of various kinds are being carried out in the earth’s atmosphere in order to cure the symptoms.”
“I share your concern over the use of aluminium or barium compounds which have a considerable toxic potential, however, so far as I am aware the extent of their use is so far minimal" |
Well too bad all the images around the world contradict the word MINIMAL, its being sprayed like wildfire, even in places where I have never ever seen it before and my memory is like a bankvault.
Just look around and you'll start noticing them too, when you have 100's of these trails over a busy airport or city I could believe the official story of this being all conspiracy theories, but when I see it happening over my small tiny speck of a town where no commercial flights or no military flights are designated to fly(and I have my mate for that to back me up on this)then you do know for a fact something very strange is happening to this world. For the first time in human history the alps have next to no snow, places where it would normally be freezing the sun is shining and you can just walk out as if its almost spring.
So why do I post this now, well its cuz I was remembered of all of this shit last night when I heard on the news about the alps having no snow, and most resorts being stuck without customers to ski. In 5 years time climate has changed so much its almost as if it happened over night thats how fast the climate's changed and no amount of global warming can do that so fast without any help from our mystery worker high in the sky, atleast thats my assumption. If it really was due to global warming that these weird weather issues are occuring it would take atleast 20-50 years(even scientists back this up).
So don't flame, don't immediately disregard what I said, I am looking for a real discussion, I won't flame back. I'd like it for people like me who live in small towns that still remember how it was 10-15 years ago to step in and tell me how they see this, do they notice these chemtrails where they didn't before, do you notice that the beautifull orange/pink glow of sunset has dissapeared where you used to have the most beautiful sunsets in which the entire sky was orange, stuff like that, speak up..........
A good video to look into before you start cussing me are these,
PART1
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-3617274765006240
PART2
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-8364624494333183506
PART3
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=2512323623525653499
PART4
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5821012120110331753
Ow one other thing, something my memory also picked up, I often watch the news in my country, and where you just used to see the weatherman show pictures of clear skies, or rainy gray skies with normal clouds now its more and more coming to the foreground that they are including pictures of chemtrails to people(crisscross clouds, stuff from above pictures). And to me this seems like they are trying to sensitize people to seeing these things, as if they are a normal phenomenon. Only the last 2 years have they started doing this on all weatherchannels I can receive, its all very weird indeed.
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I just thought the planes were making clouds! 
They do that shit here too. Had no idea what they were. That's fucked up! 
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 17:35 Post subject: |
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Yeah its fucked up indeed, when you think a little bit ahead and you know what scientists predicted about the earths' population increasing with a billion every year and earth not being able to support all the people in the near future one could easily make the suggestion that this is some kind of birth control on a global scale. Why else would they include dangerous chemicals that cause the following symptoms,
- Allergies, painful and clogged up foreheadcavities
- Dry coughs that won't go away
- Bloody nose, blood in mucus
- Swollen, burning and infected eyes
- Fluelike fevers, sore throath
- Pneumonia, bronchitis
- Mycoplasmic infections
- Migraine
- Sudden onsets of dizzyness, confusion
- Extrame exhaustion, letharghic, not able to concentrate
- Tinnitus(ringing of the ears)
- Depression, anxiaty attacks
- Intestinal problems, bloated feeling, etc
- Jointpains, muscle pains
- Loss of blattercontrol
- Returning yeastinfections
- Scent and taste of metal, oil and rust
These symptoms are all translated from dutch, so don't mind the occasional error. I myself started suffering from a heavy case of tinnitus about 8 years ago(so exactly same time the chemtrailing began over my town). I have been to the doctor, had full examination, doctor at that time said it was highly abnormal for someone of my age to get tinnitus. I have never in my life used a headset, nor have I ever had loud noises around my ears. The eardoctor or however you call him in english checked my ears for damage(to see if my hairfollicles were damaged, and if pressure inside the ear was still good), everything was just 100% but still I have this ringing in the ears. More of my friends are suffering from this as well, I am afraid to tell them what I know now cuz they'll just disregard it as pure coincedence.
Just know something is not right, thats all that I can say, very easy to call people conspiracy nutters, but the evidence is starting to become so goddamn overwhelming:(
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 17:45 Post subject: |
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k. Seriously guy. If you continue posting this, I'm gonna be afraid leaving the house!
Throw in something nice, like.... I dunno... something!
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:09 Post subject: |
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The white strips are nothing more then condensated water created by the burning of jet fuel. In some layers of the atmosphere they don't dissolve as fast as in others. If they contain chemical spores, you should look for contaminations in the jetfuel.
More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chemtrails
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:12 Post subject: |
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What kind of a fucking population control does Europe need? The population is decreasing even without these "evil plots".
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:32 Post subject: |
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Then you haven't read my story fully iconized, no planes have ever flown over my area in that way, not in my entire life, especially not creating zigzag patterns over 100 of them this while watching in a full 360° circle, it was everywhere. You'r telling me commercial or military jets are laying out a checkerboard in the sky for fun??? No I am sorry mate, you can disregard it as condensated water, but in case you didn't know, condensated water would not drop down below cloud level, what you'r saying is that boeings and F16 fighter planes are flying so low that its illegal, and even then you would only see 1 to maximum 2 contrails, not 100's like I saw that one day(happened 1,5 month ago that I saw the biggest outburst ever). Now when I take notice of it they'r restricted to maybe 20-30 tops, but that one day it was spraying bonanza and no normal plane could have done this.
And I do believe my friend, he revises airplane engines, so I would rather take his word over yours. Wikipedia can debunk all they want, its just not normal for my hicktown. I wish I had taken a picture that day so you could see for yourself, so far I haven't found a single picture on the entire internet of chemtrails resembling what I saw(and I mean in terms of quantity). It was like this picture x50,
[/img]http://www.debunker.com/images2/chemtrails.jpg[/img]
very eerie and they certainly weren't clouds, so like I said, if it was a normal contrail, then ok I can follow you here, but I just can't believe 20-40 airplanes flew over my town on a single day creating these patterns. Normal for me is that you would see just one single large stroke towards where the plane is gonna land or whatever, these where starting and stopping going in several directions as far as you could see and in all directions you could see.
And Waldo, if there's bad intent at heart, then you'r already been sprayed so won't matter if you stay indoors from now:LOL:
Also iconized, tell me this then, how come chemtrails only popped up the last 8 years, engine types have not changed, and neither has jetfuel, before that I never saw these weird chemtrails, and they'r only prevalent the last 8 years. So you'r saying now all of a sudden jetfuel decides to act like this;) Just watch the internet, read up on the articles, all of talks start roughly around this same timespan, 8 maybe max of 10 years ago.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:48 Post subject: |
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Pooh, if you look at the pictures you see some stripes with a begin and an end. While you may interpret it as a deliberate spraying, i think it shows that in some air layers these stripes don't dissolve as fast.
While there might be no flying over your whereabouts, these air layers move. I'm not going to produce some stats but civil aviation has increased greatly the last decade.
Some info on jet fuel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jet_fuel
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:50 Post subject: |
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How could this be a kind of birth control? It might even make people sick, but it sure wont stop them from having children.
And I highly doubt any government would poison its own citizens in such a large scale nowadays, it doesnt even make sense.
But that doesnt mean I think these "chemtrails" are normal, they might be some kind of governmental reaction against global warming. Im just not sure what effect they actually have on global warming, but Im sure it has some.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 18:57 Post subject: |
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It is very unusual to see these left behind by passenger jets - the only time i have seen them is near where my mum lives, she happens to live near a lot of USAF/RAF bases. and these Chemtrails show up all the time. So I obviously assume its perhaps test planes? or maybe a different type of fuel under test?
I admit i know sod all about jets of any kind.. However I do know you are not the only person concerned about these - I read a report (will try and find it) From the states that they are on the increase.. and usually prevalent around airforce bases..
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 20:11 Post subject: |
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I was just giving an example in the birth control thingie, I just say this cuz its also coincedentally the same time our stores started carrying heavy MSG and aspartame ridden foods, stuff thats also bad for your health, hence I made that assumption. Aspartame has been approved since 1996 and MSG in 1986 but only made an entry in my country at the same time of aspartame, so both around 1996. Everything today seems to be geared towards being bad for people, they put bad stuff in your food, they put bad stuff through chemtrails and they even put bad stuff in your sigarettes. Yes you read it correctly, a few weeks ago with the litvenenko murder I found out the sole reason sigarettes kill is cuz they contain trace amounts of polonium 210, and oddly enough why do you think this is the case, its cuz the tabacco being sold is being fertilized with trace amounts of polonium 210.
People smoking pure tabacco that has not been fertilized live to literally 96 years old, no cancer in sight, so why condone this obviously bad fertilizing, cuz pharmacy is big business and it subdues people, keeps them needing their government. In other words, cancer is big business,
http://www.tobaccofreedom.org/issues/documents/landman/radioactive/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/6168887.stm
Not only Philip Morris admits this, all major tabacco products are being fertilized with the same stuff purely to make people sick. Think I am a crackpot now, feel free but where there's smoke there's fire. I came upon a story while back, and there was this village in Peru, and a village in China where people lived of the land and the average age people became there was 86, most people lived longer than 110 years old, there was even a women 136 years old, she smoked like a fucking chimney and she didn't have a cancer cell in sight. The scientists that discovered this women were simply stunned.
So you see, its all about what stuff we'r being subjected to, the pharmacy and doctors may tell you that its only due to modern science that we live as long as we do, but its our government that tries to keep this number down as much as possible cuz who needs old farts that don't bring in any money and only cost money. What would happen if we all had a chance to get to 136 years old, you think your government would be happy with that:)
So what I saw that day has now made me a believer in chemtrails, and no amount of debunking will shift my perceptions anymore. Just wanted to fill some of you in, if you have any pictures to post just show them here if you spot some crazy shit that you know are no clouds, would love to see.
Cheerz
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 20:31 Post subject: |
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Spray population with brain washing drug and repeat "We are not losing the war. We are safer now. New York won't become a mushroom cloud. Re-elect republicans".
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 20:39 Post subject: |
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lol
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 22:48 Post subject: |
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djeez people, why do you see things everywhere
why would someone waste money spraying things in the air, probably organic molecules. And those arent stable in atmosphere because of UV light. So that makes no sense
+ so high try to breath it in
if it is commercial flights: it costs money and no gain, noone will do it
if it governmental; someone would have known. It takes some people to fly an airplane etc, and someone would know
conspiracy theories, sick people, really
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 23:00 Post subject: |
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Some people need to take their pills more often.
I suggest you to increase your dosage.
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| Posted: Wed, 13th Dec 2006 23:07 Post subject: |
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i quotes some things of you and had remarks about it but then i read they found a women of 136 and i just deleted it. .
stop believing everything you read.
birth control my ass. if they really wanted to do that they would have better ways trust me
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 01:11 Post subject: |
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You know whats funny, its allways the guys eating up Bush's garbage that doubt the obvious, this thread proves it again. Pfiemel, I liked your story and I seen these chemtrails too, don't let these Bush brainwashfags take ya down, they'r already lost. Every single guy badmouthing him here are people that would lick the shit off of bush's ass if he told them it would help make America safe. Its you brainwashfags that need to go take some pills, like Neo said in the matrix, do you take the red pil or the blue one:LOL:
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 01:22 Post subject: |
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You think 136 is insane, then look here,
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/7090143/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hava_Rexha
http://www.theage.com.au/news/world/the-word-from-the-worlds-oldest-person/2005/12/10/1134086848291.html
http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/english/200006/16/eng20000616_43177.html
thats not too far from his number, only 7 years, so why would it be impossible, its only impossible because you are brainwashed to believe people can't get that old. Heck I find it ironic, these people living practically on grass, roots and what not and here we are with all our medicins and how old do we get, at 64 we even croak and go belly up hahahah. So JeanPerrier, take that boot and shove it up your vagina maybe that'll slap some sense into ya.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 02:06 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | You know whats funny, its allways the guys eating up Bush's garbage that doubt the obvious, |
what made you believe i am american?
| Quote: | | I liked your story and I seen these chemtrails too, don't let these Bush brainwashfags take ya down, they'r already lost |
everyone who cant understand both sides in a argument is lost
| Quote: | | Every single guy badmouthing him here are people that would lick the shit off of bush's ass if he told them it would help make America safe. |
who is him?
| Quote: | | Its you brainwashfags that need to go take some pills, like Neo said in the matrix, do you take the red pil or the blue one:LOL: |
neo sure did, but normal people understand that the matrix wasnt real. Or was it and are we just beeing brainwashed by bush so we believe it wasnt?
| Quote: | | You think 136 is insane, then look here, |
i dont see 136 years old anywhere and the one of 129 cant be confirmed so that makes 125 the oldest women. so why did you imply there were people older then 136?
| Quote: | | thats not too far from his number, only 7 years, so why would it be impossible, its only impossible because you are brainwashed to believe people can't get that old |
i didnt say its impossible. it hasnt happened before. people getting 200is realistic for the far future imho
| Quote: | | Heck I find it ironic, these people living practically on grass, roots and what not and here we are with all our medicins and how old do we get |
now you are the one beeing brainwashed by believing that people in china, brazil, albania and ecuador only eat grass roots and whatnot
| Quote: | | here we are with all our medicins and how old do we get, at 64 we even croak and go belly up |
64, damn. i could have sworn that i have heard of alot of people that are older then 64. must be the brainwashing again
| Quote: | | So JeanPerrier, take that boot and shove it up your vagina maybe that'll slap some sense into ya. |
never had a girl huh, shame.
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| Willy_Wanker wrote: | | Heck I find it ironic, these people living practically on grass, roots and what not and here we are with all our medicins and how old do we get, at 64 we even croak and go belly up hahahah. . |
It's a pretty simple reason actually ... we treat our bodies like shit.
Poor diet and lack of physical activity has led to an epidemic of heart disease and diabetes, and not to mention the millions of chemicals being dumped in the ecosystem by corporations who would sell our their own children for a quick buck.
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| Posted: Thu, 14th Dec 2006 17:25 Post subject: |
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In my country cancer has replaced heart diseases as the main cause of dead for man.
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It's more complicated than that. The average age expectancy is going up. Medical science and in some degree healthier life style causes less deaths to heart diseases, so cancer becomes the number one medical enemy.
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| iconized wrote: | | It's more complicated than that. The average age expectancy is going up. Medical science and in some degree healthier life style causes less deaths to heart diseases, so cancer becomes the number one medical enemy. |
yeah, I'll agree that some of it is complicated, and some new cancer cases are simply an artifact of living longer + better diagnostics. Right now in Canada cancer is ~30% of all-cause mortality, and heart disease is ~23%.
And btw, Diabetes is actually one of the only diseases for which mortality is increasing in Canada, at a time when all-cause mortality is decreasing. Diabetes is going to be a fucking epidemic soon, and a completely preventable one.
that's all here btw: http://www40.statcan.ca/l01/cst01/health30a.htm
I guess the real question is what deaths are preventable? A large part of heart disease is, type 2 diabetes almost completely is, and cancers from shit like
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Persistent_organic_pollutants ... manufactured by scumbags like http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monsanto are preventable too.
I think a large number of cancers aren't preventable, and are more to do with genetics and having a well functioning http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/P53 ... perhaps natural selection might allow for people who are less susceptible to developing cancer to become the norm? ...
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Stay on topic, or I'll close it. And the next flamer will be banned.
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Ok, I'm not going to read this, and go ahead and assume that nobody bothers to actually collect a sample of those chemicals, that are supposed to violate my natural bodily fluids, and maybe analyze it for pathogens... If you think that the government is out go get you, you should get a hobby or get into warez and start jerking off to furryporn (all people in the scene do that!). My point is there's nothing worse than wasting your time to find the boogeyman @ whatever age you are at.
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