God defined !! ??
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 12:46    Post subject: God defined !! ??
dictionary.reference.com/browse/god wrote:
God  /gɒd/ - noun

1. the one Supreme Being, the creator and ruler of the universe.

2. the Supreme Being considered with reference to a particular attribute: the God of Islam.

3. (lowercase) one of several deities, esp. a male deity, presiding over some portion of worldly affairs.

4. (often lowercase) a supreme being according to some particular conception: the god of mercy.

5. Christian Science. the Supreme Being, understood as Life, Truth, Love, Mind, Soul, Spirit, Principle.

6. (lowercase) an image of a deity; an idol.

7. (lowercase) any deified person or object.

8. (often lowercase) Gods, Theater.

a. the upper balcony in a theater.

b. the spectators in this part of the balcony.
–verb (used with object)

9. (lowercase) to regard or treat as a god; deify; idolize.
–interjection

10. (used to express disappointment, disbelief, weariness, frustration, annoyance, or the like): God, do we have to listen to this nonsense?

[Origin: bef. 900; ME, OE; c. D god, G Gott, ON goth, Goth guth]

... as anarxist stated .. Jews / Christians / Catholics / Muslims .. own god .. use another word ..

This is not a topic to assert what god is or isn’t .. more a topic to show we have given up our choice in the matter .. should the word god be defined ? isn’t god a word that belongs an undefined ?

Do we have a choice as to what we think god is ? Isn’t our religious freedom fundamentally based on our ability to choose for ourselves what god is .. ?

As a result of Muslim fanaticism we see the need to prevent religious groups from forcing there beliefs on others .. but are we even looking in our own back yard .. seeing how most of us in the west have been forced to believe what theists tell us to believe in reference to god (its defined in the dictionary FFS) .. how can we even begin to combat Muslim influence on our beliefs, if we cant even see & combat the influence on our beliefs already present from religions closer to home, like Judaism, Catholicism & Christianity ?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:08    Post subject:
I always thought I was god. Until I realized I was just Jesus Christ.

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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:14    Post subject:
So you see all mention of god in a biblical frame ? Don’t you mind that your viewpoint on god is dominated by biblical references ? Notions that god is a person .. a deity .. a super man ?

This is so screwed .. its like folks don’t even realize they are being manipulated .. made to think like theists think .. your ether a worshiper of a deity or don’t believe in god .. totally screwed .. Rolling Eyes

Frankly I don’t give a shit what you think god is .. what matters to me is that you have a choice in the matter .. that we aren’t being made to think god is this or that .. that we actually have the freedom to make up our own minds about it ..

& sorry but god being defined in the dictionary is in opposition to individual choice in the matter IMo .. sure dog, wood, bicycle .. define them cool .. that’s useful & justified use of a dictionary .. but stating what god is .. pfft .. that’s just BS


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:22    Post subject:
Defining something gives it automatic existence. If god was an undefined word then the undecided voters wouldn't vote for it. You know? People have lost faith. Literally. They need reassurance that what they're told to believe in is real.

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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:28    Post subject:
Is it the dictionaries job to state god is a deity .. that monotheism is the truth ? Isn’t the dictionary supposed to be un-biased ..


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:41    Post subject:
Yes. In a way. Very Happy

It is dictionaries job to reassure people.
The dictionary is a second bible. People look to it for guidance. Understanding. Laughing


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 13:46    Post subject:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/God


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ok I don’t know for sure but you guys seem to be missing the point here .. if I want to know what a moose is .. I will look in the dictionary or wiki .. if I want to know what god is I have to figure it out for myself ..

Can you see the distinction here ? Some things need to be unknown variables in order to maintain flexibility & personal authority .. else people can tell you your wrong about god (just look it up on in the dictionary | wiki).. something that should not be even acceptable as a result of god being a private choice .. each of us having every right to think god is whatever we choose to think god is .. free to believe what we choose in regards to god ..

Any official body stating what god is or isn’t .. undermines the individuals power of choice .. sources of reference should not be tools of anyones religious agenda ..


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 17:31    Post subject:
God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.
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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 18:24    Post subject: Re: God defined !! ??
ChinUp wrote:
This is not a topic to assert what god is or isn’t


KnightRider2006 wrote:
God is an imaginary friend for grown-ups.
obviously you too are convinced that god is some deity or person .. does it make you happy that the dictionary supports your belief in an imaginary deity .. ?

we digress .. the point here .. is wtf is the dictionary doing defining god .. it takes the piss out of the subject matter .. a question each of us has a choice to contemplate if we see fit to do so .. not a subject that can be defined .. Rolling Eyes

It seems that I am the only one here who sees this as a problem .. a problem in the current climate of intrusion from Islam .. could be used against us .. seeing as so many are already suckered in to notions of a deity being what god is .. the very backbone of Islam & many religions that see fit to dominate peoples lives in the name of said deity ..

Unless we can shed this definition & assert our personal freedom to chose what god is for ourselves .. we may well find religious laws occurring & we wont have any way of combating them because we have by default accepted god as some supreme leader in the sky ..

If you don’t believe god is some deity .. if I were you I would be pissed that the dictionary is saying god is .. religious freedom I feel is going to be a very important issue with the growth of deity worshiping mentalities in the west ..

If we really want reason to take precedence over religious beliefs .. the dictionary is a damb good place to start .. for the dictionary to assert that god is a deity is unreasonable ..


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Lay off the shrooms please Chinup.


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shrooms mong me out haven’t done them in like 11 years .. once was enough for me .. total pants .. humm haven’t had a trip for years thow .. not since peyote Very Happy

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Actually.. it was the fourth person today that said "o I don’t belie in god the bible is rubbish" .. that prompted this thread .. I blame the dictionary & theistic dominance in schools & media for this ..

its like people think you follow some book about god or your an atheists .. totally wack


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 21:13    Post subject:
I'm your God!

*throws lightning and such*


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 21:35    Post subject:
good question indeed

god is for everyone something else. for me its made up to control the poor people by the rich people and eventually it grew etc etc...


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 21:40    Post subject:
JeanPerrier wrote:
good question indeed

god is for everyone something else. for me its made up to control the poor people by the rich people and eventually it grew etc etc...
indeed indeed .. yet I would agree only to the degree of it being a deity is for that reason .. thus making the dictionaries support of such a thing that much more insidious ..

Seems to me its the option that god is a deity that enslaves people .. if people were equal in there right to say what they think god is .. the people would truly be powerful .. when there are not authorities on god .. everyone becomes an authority on it .. because god definition to us will only be relevant to us .. not something to enforce on others but something to celebrate as your own ..


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 21:53    Post subject:
sorry i have to ask, whats up with the "...." each time?


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 22:45    Post subject:
i used to do the ... all the time and no one questioned me Sad


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PostPosted: Thu, 12th Oct 2006 23:17    Post subject:
WaldoJ wrote:
i used to do the ... all the time and no one questioned me Sad
no shit .. guess I just ask for it more than you do ... how do you do that ? I feel like shit drawing flies .. Laughing

Back to the fact that the dictionary has failed us .. its slanted in favor of the theists WTF


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Religion ruled the land in the agone days Laughing


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WaldoJ wrote:
Religion ruled the land in the agone days Laughing
yes indeed it did .. but its not the phucking by gone days now FFS .. update that shit


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Laughing can you imagine the chaos?


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 00:36    Post subject:
Theists ruled , rule and most probably will rule this world!!! Laughing
Lousy spiritualists,who are unable even to present their own definition of god shall rot in forgotten dumps of history.
Irrispective of their fruitless indignation the word is taken,go look for some other word,as I already told you.
Your case is long lost,your wrath burns you from inside absolutely in vain.
Anyway,if you feel opressed,try your luck writing letters to encyclopedia manufacturers.
Your quest against established definition of god is ridiculous at best,but combined with "..." manners of writing it's simply irritating.
But since nobody is an angel, not excluding me,play your part of the show in this forum,continue to bitch about "deities.. theists..pfffs" in each your post.
We got plenty of rotten tomatos.


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 00:39    Post subject:
god = a word made up to give people hope. Nothing more and nothing less.

ofcourse you have the travelers guide like the bible and quran, but those are just old wives tales


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 00:43    Post subject:
No religion was made up to give people hope. God is part of religion. Any religion.


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WaldoJ wrote:
i used to do the ... all the time and no one questioned me Sad


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ChinUp wrote:
shrooms mong me out haven’t done them in like 11 years .. once was enough for me .. total pants .. humm haven’t had a trip for years thow .. not since peyote Very Happy

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Actually.. it was the fourth person today that said "o I don’t belie in god the bible is rubbish" .. that prompted this thread .. I blame the dictionary & theistic dominance in schools & media for this ..

its like people think you follow some book about god or your an atheists .. totally wack


Only narrow minded people think like that man. There are lots of spiritual people in this word, just they are hard to find and less flamboyant with their beliefs.

I have no interest in being with friends with someone who doesnt respect my beliefs.
I have numerous friends and alot of religions are mixed in there.
We coexist by leaving 'god' out of it. Not that we arent religious or spiritual, just when we're together, god is an issue we dont talk about.
When my israeli friend and my palestinian friends are together, they dont talk politics...know what i mean?

Its simpler. 'God' cannot be defined. It is something that im sure is there, but we as humans dont have the intelligence to perceive its true nature.

Thats why i think death is an evolution rather than the end. We move on to a higher plane of existence. Eventually we all become one with the 'God' and return to where we originated from


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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 04:10    Post subject:
lol what a fantasy. Too bad that people shit all sorts of fantasies and then take them as truth...
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PostPosted: Fri, 13th Oct 2006 11:56    Post subject:
Point of the matter is .. religions are defined by there definition of god .. as a result of the English dictionary providing a theist definition for god .. all of us who speak English are regarded as & taught to be theistic ..

A ridicules religious foundation IMO .. an all powerful super being .. pfft .. that’s comic book stuff .. but our dictionary backs it up .. this is not good ..



If we think we have religious freedom we are lying to ourselves .. we will only be free to believe what we choose when nobody is telling us what to believe .. & currently the dictionary is telling us god is a deity .. total bullshit

I don’t understand how you guys can be alright with being lumped in with Jews Christians & Muslims .. I for one don’t want anything to do with there stupid hero worship ..

Well said sy .. god inst definable .. its more of a question than anything else ..


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I think we are confusing two separate things here. What the dictionary is trying to define is the 'word' - god. And they try to include as many definitions based on the main religions so as not to offend any of them, as well as idiomatic usages of the word. But someone from an island in the south-pacific will not recognize any of those definitions. To him, god is a dragon that swallows up the sun at night and throws a star-studded blanket over the world. Very Happy I am not making this up, this is a 'belief' about god on a remote island not touched by the dominant religions.

There is also the 'concept' of god. What do people think of when they think of god? That is defined by the religions people follow and the rules there are pretty much set.
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swingman wrote:
I think we are confusing two separate things here. What the dictionary is trying to define is the 'word' - god. And they try to include as many definitions based on the main religions so as not to offend any of them, as well as idiomatic usages of the word. But someone from an island in the south-pacific will not recognize any of those definitions. To him, god is a dragon that swallows up the sun at night and throws a star-studded blanket over the world. Very Happy I am not making this up, this is a 'belief' about god on a remote island not touched by the dominant religions.

There is also the 'concept' of god. What do people think of when they think of god? That is defined by the religions people follow and the rules there are pretty much set.
agreed .. well put .. what i want to show is that those folks who have there own views on god should not be undermined by the dictionary .. its the dictionaries job to define words that can be defined .. not press definitions on people for words that cannot be defined because there definition is particular to the individual .. there is no universal meaning or definition for the word god .. & the dictionary should represent this .. rather than taking sides & putting forward the belief that god is a super being who oversees all of existence .. only one of an infinite variety of possible definitions for god ..


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