Beginner Linux OS
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jul 2012 21:22    Post subject: Beginner Linux OS
I just got accepted into a course called "linux system and network administration", but I have got no knowledge about linux whatsoever. Could someone recommend a decent enough linux OS that gives me a good idea of how to it all works? There's so many Linux operative systems and I've no idea where to start. Cheers.
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jul 2012 21:34    Post subject:
If you want to learn how Linux works, you really can't go wrong with Slackware.. it's a Linux distribution that you have to build yourself Very Happy If you want something truly beginner, then the obvious Ubuntu/Xubuntu/Kubuntu springs to mind.
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jul 2012 23:40    Post subject:
I'd say first install Xubuntu, then after a few days or weeks go for something like Slackware or Arch Linux (been using it for several years now).
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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jul 2012 23:49    Post subject:
Install gentoo

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PostPosted: Sat, 7th Jul 2012 23:55    Post subject:
If you have no clue and you want to have a very easy introduction: http://linuxmint.com/

It's almost like windows Smile


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 00:04    Post subject:
If you want stability, I'd say go with OpenSUSE.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 00:10    Post subject:
i think here we have a microcosm of everything wrong with linux
everyone has their own true religion

ubuntu or something ubuntu based would probably be the easiest to set up and learn the basics with
once you get tired with ubuntu making decisions for you like a windows, you can start expanding by trying debian or another debian based distro as it's pretty similar to ubuntu
or any of the other distros, which would mean relearning everything since developers can't get their act together and agree standards to do anything
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 00:18    Post subject:
For stability, you don't want a distro that's always fully up to date on all packages. I've found Debian to be far more stable and less error prone than RHEL based distros (Redhat Fedora/Centos); OpenSUSE is much better than those but gets a few less security patches than Debian.

For servers, I still very much prefer Debian. It's always lagging a bit behind, but that's because no update is pushed until it's properly audited. It's also tweaked better out of the box than SUSE or other distros and things like arno-iptables-firewall are in the repositories (last time I had to use SUSE, it was a bitch to get that tool working). Most importantly though, it's the most consistent with its package layouts. Once you get used to it (and this is what you'll be getting used to at first), you know exactly where to find which type of file for a package. Unlike other distros, Debian does not simultaneously use /opt, /var, /usr/lib and /usr/share to dump its shit in. Makes it so much easier to manage Smile


For desktop use, it's purely user preference. Because I work with Debian so much, I just prefer a Debian based distro, so nowadays I run Ubuntu. Kubuntu I recommend against, because KDE is shit Razz
I still don't like Centos or Fedora for desktop use either. OpenSUSE is quite pleasant, as long as you set it to use GNOME rather than KDE.


Edit @ shole: Ubuntu is Debian based. You're right on the other fronts though, it's not a bad idea to start with an Ubuntu derivative and then move back up to a plain Debian installation. Like I said, Debian (and thus Ubuntu) is the distro that is the most consistent with what goes where.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 00:57    Post subject:
BTW, I have come to respect BSD a lot lately. And no, it's not due to Mac/iPhone Cool Face If anyone has heard of Nokia IPSO (now Check Point IPSO)? I would actually say that a BSD-based distro with some nice GNOME or KDE (I like KDE Sad) would be the most stable.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 02:15    Post subject:
Of course, but they're not fit for inexperienced users Smile

Most NAS's and routers run BSD nowadays, usually just FreeBSD.
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 08:39    Post subject:
I have Ubuntu installed on VmWare, but I'm tempted to go from Win7 to Ubuntu, mostly because I don't game that much and because of uni related stuff...


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 11:24    Post subject:
No discussion:

puppy on netbooks
debian on desktops/laptops

ubuntu is debian based and has a large userbase but highly lacks stability. ubuntu is simply not good enough if you will use your computer for more than just web browsing Wink
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 11:58    Post subject:
Bullshit Smile

The only unstable part of my Ubuntu are the goddamn Nvidia drivers, while I was on AMD I had 0 issues and I've been running Ubuntu as my primary OS for a year and a half now (spend about 10 hours a day on Ubuntu). Please explain what you mean when you say it lacks stability. For desktop use it's probably the easiest one to use, exactly because of the userbase. Just about everything you can think of is either in the main repositories, or there's a PPA for it.


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 12:09    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 20:32    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
Please explain what you mean when you say it lacks stability.


the LTS are more or less stable but far from up-to-date. current releases are far from for stable... just try it and you will have randomly crashes with current buggy releases as well as with LTS user updated releases

ubuntu should just stop releasing new versions each 6 months and trying to bugfix a version before proceeding to a new version
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 20:36    Post subject:
shole wrote:
i think here we have a microcosm of everything wrong with linux
everyone has their own true religion


I agree, but it's also a quality, having so many choices... The only problem is that the original poster is probably lost Laughing

Werelds wrote:
For stability, you don't want a distro that's always fully up to date on all packages. I've found Debian to be far more stable and less error prone than RHEL based distros (Redhat Fedora/Centos); OpenSUSE is much better than those but gets a few less security patches than Debian.


That's all true, too, but I like being on the bleeding edge (Arch) Smile
Can't say it's unstable though, pacman is a great way to manage/update the system and hardly ever requires manual intervention to fix anything (maybe a couple of times a year).
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 21:33    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 21:39    Post subject:
Installed ubuntu on my moms notebook... fucking nvidia fuck fuck fuck. reinstalled windows 7 Sad


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PostPosted: Sun, 8th Jul 2012 23:57    Post subject:
PumpAction wrote:
Installed ubuntu on my moms notebook... fucking nvidia fuck fuck fuck. reinstalled windows 7 Sad


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PostPosted: Mon, 9th Jul 2012 01:13    Post subject:
manu_xl wrote:
Werelds wrote:
Please explain what you mean when you say it lacks stability.


the LTS are more or less stable but far from up-to-date. current releases are far from for stable... just try it and you will have randomly crashes with current buggy releases as well as with LTS user updated releases

ubuntu should just stop releasing new versions each 6 months and trying to bugfix a version before proceeding to a new version

Seriously? Again, the only unstable part of my Ubuntu are the Nvidia drivers, and that's not Ubuntu. I've gone from 10.10 through all, up to and including 12.04 now. Nothing I use crashes regularly, except Skype - again not Ubuntu.

Also, you're 100% wrong about the LTS versions, they get just as many updates. They just get them longer than other versions, that's the whole point of them.
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PostPosted: Thu, 9th Aug 2012 23:44    Post subject:
i thought bout trying linux on my laptop recently(got a amd gpu xd ) and checked out the ubuntu webpage rite now. I might have gotten it wrong but is the default gui of ubuntu 12 build for touchscreens? :/
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Aug 2012 00:04    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Aug 2012 00:41    Post subject:
Werelds wrote:
No.

Okey dokey gotta try it then
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Aug 2012 03:05    Post subject:
lametta wrote:
Werelds wrote:
No.

Okey dokey gotta try it then


It's not for touchscreens but I don't like it either (actually I hate it)... You could try Xubuntu instead (it's ubuntu with XFCE "gui").
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Aug 2012 11:34    Post subject:
The only bad thing about Ubuntu 11+ (been like this for almost a year and a half) is the sidebar which is just utter shite. I've disabled that though (well it's permanently hidden, technically it's still there) and use Docky instead Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 10th Aug 2012 17:53    Post subject:
Try this one, as i saw this is based on Ubuntu and got nice macos-like UI Smile

http://elementaryos.org/


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Sep 2012 20:10    Post subject:
How would Ubuntu or Suse give him any idea about how linux os works ?
First, get the latest Arch iso and build up a working OS, you'll fell in love.
After that format it and install Slackware 14 (which should be out any day now) to continue your newbie journey through the world of linux.

Ubuntu or Suse are for those that dont want to learn anything (or already know it) and just want a working OS out of the box; not saying they're bad, they're just targeted for a different OS experience. In fact they are bad, as in bloated and slow, my recommendation for them would be Mint 13 xfce. But this is kinda subjective


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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Sep 2012 20:13    Post subject:
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PostPosted: Tue, 11th Sep 2012 20:16    Post subject:
No, if his mind is set on learning linux and not on learning how to change his desktop wallpaper, installing Arch should be the first thing to do


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