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sTo0z
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 Posted: Wed, 8th Mar 2006 18:55 Post subject: Is this going to cut it for a little while? |
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Aight guys, going for the "next big purchase" and I wonder if any of this stands out as a bad idea to any of you.. and if this rig is going to help pull me along for awhile with some of the hot titles already released, and some of them to come (Oblivion, HL2: Aftermath, Quake Wars, etc)
500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
eVGA 256-P2-N516 Geforce 7800GT CO SE 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 1GHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA3800BVBOX
OCZ Titanium 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ4002048ELDCTE-K x 2 (4 GB total)
Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
Any advice, info would he extremely helpful, thanks guys.
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[sYn]
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Mutantius
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Mar 2006 21:15 Post subject: |
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haha, from what I hear they'll be amazing.. but that's what is always said.. I belive they're based on the mobile arc's so they're much much much much more heat/energy efficient and can handle far higher clock speeds. However its yet to be seen how well they will perform in a dual core setup.. We shall see I guess.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Mar 2006 22:06 Post subject: |
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Doesn't AMD introduce a new socket soon, and they want to switch to DDR2 soon too, maybe you want to wait a few weeks before buying anything. I mean even if you gonna buy the above system you will sure get a better deal once the newer cpu's and boards are out.
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 01:39 Post subject: |
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indeed, as soon as Intel release new CPU details I expect AMD to be pretty close behind with the details.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 02:51 Post subject: |
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| [sYn] wrote: | Intel is unvailing its new chips next week  .. |
running to buy Intel shares. Fucking seriously.
You may have just paid for my next PC |
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[sYn]
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sTo0z
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 03:50 Post subject: |
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Aren't new technologies like that super expensive?
Sounds like I might need to wait though... I'm so out of touch these days with the hardware world. 
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Mar 2006 09:47 Post subject: |
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I was some test results from Intels new core last night and they are fucking impressive. almost 40% higher score in FEAR compared to the FX-60 from AMD (that one is Dual-Core 1+1mb cache and each running at 2.8GHz).
http://www.anandtech.com/tradeshows/showdoc.aspx?i=2713
check out the results there... And not to forget, 2x1900XT in those machines too... 
Behold his GLORY! Bow for the technical master!
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pancake
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Mar 2006 08:54 Post subject: |
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I would wait for a while until more high power games arrive then you can decide what you need by what the games desire to run well.
Like already said intel and amd's new chips will be along soon, and if intel make a chip that was as good as the mobile pentium m for desktops it could be time to get one off them.
7900 cards will be for sale shortly aswell.
If you are going to buy now , get a dual core opteron 165 as they have 1mb cache for each core, were as the x23800 only has 512mb per core, they also overclock really well.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Mar 2006 12:40 Post subject: My new system |
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I just built a system with an Asus A8V ( still have an AGP card ), AMD 64 X2 3800+, 4 x Samsung 512meg PC3200, XFX GeForce 6800 Ultra 256 meg, 2 x 120gig Seagate SATA in a RAID0 stripe, LiteOn SHW-160P6S, and a CoolerMaster Centurion case. I already had a good 500 watt p/s.
I just got it put together. I still need to finish installing things, and then I'll run some benchmarks.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Mar 2006 18:59 Post subject: |
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Honestly I'd stay away from all current graphics card. With the word that directx10 won't be hardware compatible with directx9 cards, thus causing your system to do software emulation and slow down performance, I'm not buying anything until the directx10 cards come out.
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Mar 2006 20:12 Post subject: |
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directx is implemented in software - not hardware.
there is no directx 10 hardware and there will never be...
that system looks good!
But why is everybody buying these sli/crossfire boards?
I don`t see the sense in building a sli system...
did you thought about an Opteron 165 or 170?
They clock very well and don`t cost much more...
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Mutantius
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Mar 2006 20:47 Post subject: |
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Still graphic cards needs to run the newer technologies which DX10 is offering. Otherwise you dont get the full graphical experience.
"Why don't you zip it, Zipfero?" - fraich3
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| Posted: Sun, 12th Mar 2006 20:56 Post subject: Re: Is this going to cut it for a little while? |
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| sTo0z wrote: | Aight guys, going for the "next big purchase" and I wonder if any of this stands out as a bad idea to any of you.. and if this rig is going to help pull me along for awhile with some of the hot titles already released, and some of them to come (Oblivion, HL2: Aftermath, Quake Wars, etc)
500W ATX12V v2.0 Power Supply
ASUS A8N-SLI Premium Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard
eVGA 256-P2-N516 Geforce 7800GT CO SE 256MB GDDR3 PCI Express x16 Video Card
AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Manchester 1GHz HT Socket 939 Dual Core Processor Model ADA3800BVBOX
OCZ Titanium 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM DDR 400 (PC 3200) Unbuffered Dual Channel Kit System Memory Model OCZ4002048ELDCTE-K x 2 (4 GB total)
Western Digital Raptor WD740GD 74GB 10,000 RPM Serial ATA150 Hard Drive
Any advice, info would he extremely helpful, thanks guys. |
Some questions:
Which brand PSU?
And why an ASUS? There are a lot ASUS problems lately, maybe you can find yourself another nice brand 
And I should change that Raptor for a bigger HD, you can use that much better then the 10% speed gain you get from the Raptor. I suggest the WD2500YD (16MB Cache), or a Maxtor with 16MB Cache (Not 100% working with NF4, so watch it then)
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[sYn]
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crossmr
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2006 18:23 Post subject: |
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| Quote: | directx is implemented in software - not hardware.
there is no directx 10 hardware and there will never be... |
Thats a rather blanket statement. It would make no sense to making directx10 software only, its guarenteed to kill performance. Do you have anything to back this up?
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[sYn]
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Mar 2006 23:05 Post subject: |
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DirectX is a runtime libary. This is software. Simple as that. So its not a "blanket statement" its just fact.
Hardware can be designed to process features seen in this libary at a hardware (rather than software level).. This was seen in the "directx 9" hardware.. but at the end of the day its all software.
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kosmiq
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 00:23 Post subject: |
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Not entirely software... Atleast not in the way we use it. If there is no Pixel Shader 3.0 support DirectX 9.0c is pretty useless. Sure it can be emulated in software but that would kill all signs of performance.
The hardware must support the features of the software and that connects them. Of course there is nothing called "DirectX 10 hardware" but without any hardware SUPPORTING it is useless.
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crossmr
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| Posted: Thu, 16th Mar 2006 16:52 Post subject: |
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| kosmiq wrote: | Not entirely software... Atleast not in the way we use it. If there is no Pixel Shader 3.0 support DirectX 9.0c is pretty useless. Sure it can be emulated in software but that would kill all signs of performance.
The hardware must support the features of the software and that connects them. Of course there is nothing called "DirectX 10 hardware" but without any hardware SUPPORTING it is useless. |
And this is why I'm curious why someone is so adament there will be no directx10 video cards.
http://news.softpedia.com/news/DirectX-10-and-so-it-ends-7762.shtml
this tells me yes, there will be directx 10 hardware, otherwise its going to be all software anyway.
and a thread here: http://channel9.msdn.com/ShowPost.aspx?PostID=141549
" During the Direct3D talks at PDC they talked about the new versions going forward...They also indicated that they are requiring much tighter control of features on hardware to say that they are DX10 compliant."
Why would they talk about controlling the features on directx10 hardware if no one planned any?
And since Vista is supposedly just around the corner, you can bet Nvidia and ATI have directx 10 video cards secretly waiting in the wings ready to be released.
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