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deelix
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 Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 21:42 Post subject: |
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Ugh. In my opinion, no we dont. Too realistic gore can problary be very dangerous for many.
This is just not good and very alarming. :/
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deelix
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 22:11 Post subject: |
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i dont see why this should be a problem, i d prefer to have everything as realistic as possible, even the gore.
some kids get influenced by video games in bad ways because of the actions they do in a game,
like run over people or shoot em etc, not because these games are too bloody.
i dont think it really makes a difference how much gore there is, but moreover is it the general concept of killing people that makes kids get used to it and think its something normal.
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 22:44 Post subject: |
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What's the point for such realistic gore? Do you people really like it?
I just dont see the point in this, it's just too much. For me gaming is about entertainment, and this is not entertainment in my opinion.
Last edited by pallebrun on Wed, 8th Feb 2006 22:46; edited 1 time in total
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 22:46 Post subject: |
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Its hard to judge from the screens but the gore must be really bad if "it made viewers in the audience instinctively turn away" either that or they lead sheltered lives.
My stance on this and its a longstanding one is that im more interested in overall game content than gimmicks like overly realistic damage modelling i.e. what sets this game apart from the last FPS game other than the damage modelling?, what does this game bring to an arguably stale genre thats new other than the damage modelling?, what is the story going to revolve around?, the characters etc.
Sure it would be an interesting ingame experience to shoot a gaming character from the side of the cheek with the bullet passing clean through the side of their face leaving entrance and exit holes and in the process removing several teeth which are seen to trickle from the characters mouth along with a mix of blood and spittle - but is that enough to make me wanna buy it? Of course not.
I also feel perhaps to a lesser extent than I do with movies that in part its all about the context in which the violence is used in game, sure if its an open ended game the player can be as violent or as nice as they see fit but games developers very much have the ability just like movie directors to place violence into games in such a way as to make gamers recoil in disgust or take pleasure from being violent - see Postal 2 for an example of the latter.
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Elazul
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| Posted: Wed, 8th Feb 2006 23:02 Post subject: |
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People watch the news with war casualties and such things every day, the news is far more terrifying than Video games....
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 00:04 Post subject: |
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| Elazul wrote: | | People watch the news with war casualties and such things every day, the news is far more terrifying than Video games.... |
Absolutely & most Western news is *sanitised* so we don't see dead bodies, limbs & pieces of sundered meat after a suicide bombing - although Middle Eastern countries actually show this mutilation on their news channels, perhaps why they appear to embrace violence so easily?
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 00:26 Post subject: |
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I personally dont have a problem with detailed dead bodies laying around. I just dont see the point for extreme gore in a game.
What's the point? Will that honestly make a game better?
In my opinion, no.
And I dont think you can compare this type of violence with real-life violence, like war. Extreme game violence like this is not something you see in the world. We are not talking about missing arms and legs here (realistic violence), we are talking about extreme things. I think it's a huge difference.
So it's not just a discussion about if it's dangerous for people, it's also a discussion about wether it's needed or not.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 00:41 Post subject: |
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You have a point in that graphical depiction of extreme violence could have an impact on young developing minds, the exact nature of which will vary between individuals. However, a game is a virtual reality and does *not* compare to seeing horrific events in real life.
When I was in the army I saw a soldier being hit in the chest with the butt of a rifle, and then coughing up bright red blood. That was shocking as it was totally unexpected and something I had never experienced before. I also saw a woman driver go through her car windshield and the resulting bloody mess.
However, when I have played a game that has dismemberment like SoF & Turok the cartoon violence is just an effect, a vicarious thrill. It does not make me go out & replicate the event. You can argue that multi-player games with their 99% theme of killing are just a release valve from the pressure of everyday life.
Inevitably with the way censorship of just about anything in life is progressing, we will see games being toned down. It is easier to demonise a *violent game* than it is to tackle social issues or the way extremists & terrorists behave.
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deelix
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 18:14 Post subject: |
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Seriously i get most agressive in games who i lose in, like in a real unlucky way. So in my case its not about the voilence in the game. In fact the games that made me most angry was the Tony hawk series. So in a game you just have a good time killing people, i don't think that effect people that much. Maybe someone, but that is people who need help anyway. So people with adhd should only play with cheats, lol
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 19:21 Post subject: |
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thank god for nintendo then.
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| Posted: Thu, 9th Feb 2006 20:42 Post subject: |
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Does the footage exist? I wonder if it can be downloaded!
That kotaku.com is an awesome site btw!
May the NFOrce be with you always.
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 05:27 Post subject: |
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i think pallebrun is right in some of his thinking, but yet i cant stand censurship.
i rather have tons of blood than a gang full of people telling me what to see...
i mean, lets be frank, did postal sell that good?
if they put age limits on games i cant see anything wrong with it...
remember Commando lybia, where we cut of heads to write our names?, that was hillariours
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| Posted: Sat, 11th Feb 2006 15:30 Post subject: |
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| pallebrun wrote: | What's the point for such realistic gore? Do you people really like it?
I just dont see the point in this, it's just too much. For me gaming is about entertainment, and this is not entertainment in my opinion. |
I don't think anyone will be forcing anyone to play the game who doesn't want to Pallebrun. Its all a matter of choice. If you want it, play it. If you don't. Don't.
I for one won't be put off with the gore level in any game, i know its all just graphics, and not actually real. I am smart enough to distinguish the gaping difference between reality and video games.
Its people like the lad who killed his mate with a hammer in a replicant of a Manhunt killing who need keeping away from these games, they should be rocking back and forth all day in a padded room.
This will no doubt hit the headlines for all the wrong reasons, saying it incites violence and such, but my point is the only people who this applies to is the people that are already half way to the asylum.
Normal people won't be affected by this IMO
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| Posted: Wed, 15th Feb 2006 10:17 Post subject: |
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the only thing we are now missing is sex... sex & violance, yeah! 
No really, I don't think to much gore in games is a dangerous thing, the news is the most cruel show for violance and I don't hear anybody complain about that...
And on the other hand, I think whatever game kids are playing, even not on PC or console (cowboy and indian, soldier,ect...) will have an influance, the quality of the gfx will not make this influance bigger or smaller imho
remember this one: "if packman influenced people we would be running around in dark rooms, eating pills, while listening to repetative music"
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006 18:30 Post subject: |
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I dont need gore for a good game, but sometimes its just very much fun to blast someones head off with realistic gore! Just like in SOF2, even if it wasnt really realistic at all...
Make it gory if the game fits it, then make the age restriction to 21 or something and GIMME DA DAMN GAME!!!!!
I think very less childs under 16 or 18 will have 400bugs for a console, dont they??
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006 22:24 Post subject: |
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I have no problem with excessive gore in games, and i hope that it won´t be censored. It´s the parents responsibility when it comes to what games their children play, of course.
Same as with movies/porn.
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| Posted: Sat, 18th Feb 2006 23:34 Post subject: |
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i remember the 1st soldier of fortune, you could shoot away the enemy´s limbs piece by piece.
i admit i had great fun and used to make it slow, first off with the hand, then the forearm etc.
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| Posted: Sun, 19th Feb 2006 01:02 Post subject: |
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