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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 04:12    Post subject: [XBOX] Prince Of Persia: The Two Thrones


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I got only one word for this game... awesome Very Happy


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StarShine




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 05:03    Post subject:
Im off tomorrow so I've been playing this into the early hours and after initial dissapointment the game is growing on me.

I really hadn't been enjoying the first few levels, as pallebrun said in the other thread the combat doesn't feel right, to me it just doesn't feel as smooth or as easy to chain moves together or it could be that im possibly a little out of practice having played and completed warrior within and sands of time so long ago.

Anyway as I said wasn't enjoying it then the game slowly starts to introduce you to the new moves like the one where your character can wedge his dagger into cracks and the pads which you use to launch yourself diagonally from plus the stealth kills although seeming gimmicky at first really do start to appeal when you realise that to actually get the chance to perform those stealth kills your going to have to be incredibly sneaky to actually get yourself in the position to perform them.

Also after a couple of levels the game really begins to kick off with those old school Prince of Persia rooms that are filled with spike traps, walls covered in massive rotating/sliding circular saws and rotating pillars covered in blades which is very much my thing - the narration as you walk through the levels is a nice touch as well.

Not played it enough to say its better than Warrior Within or Sands of Time but I like what I've seen of it so far. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 07:35    Post subject:
Cant wait to try this! Loved the series since the very first one on the Amiga.. even then it was bloody addictive and for the time innovative and new..

Its come a long way since then Laughing

However reading your post Starshine, has put me off a bit.. after all the whole idea of the game is using your brain to conquer puzzles/traps etc...

Combat is secondary.. please dont tell me its been lowered to some stupid mortal kombat game?.. obsessed with ridiculous button combos and moves?
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 07:46    Post subject:
The whole point is that when you're playing as the prince, combat is as involved as you want it to be. If you're agile and fast enough and use the environment correctly you can swoop down from the rafters and drop two guys before they even have a chance to react. It feels much more like what the prince would do. Of course you could just run straight at them, but that'll just lose you some life in the end.

Though, when you're playing as the dark lord (mutated version of the prince) he's just basically a beserker so you rip through enemies like paper. Still it's nice playing as him because of the power rush, and because he's so much stronger then the prince. Plus, using the barbed chain attached to your arm to swing around is cool.

But you can always revert to the prince by jumping in water. Smile

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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 10:55    Post subject:
Ok I finished Sands of Time on PC and got halfway through The Warrior Within on Xbox. Do I need to finish the 2nd game to play this one? Im guessing the story follows on but is there a recap of what happened previously?

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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 11:36    Post subject:
I would recomend finishing WW first M8 if you can try and view the hard mode ending too Smile

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Sakishiro




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 12:54    Post subject:
Anyone have an idea why the PS2 version is larger in gig size than the Xbox version? The PS2 version is over 4 gigs unpacked while the Xbox version is only 2,4 gigs unpacked. I'm Sorry that I posted on the PS2 thread too but I just need to know why because I'm planning to buy a copy of this game but I want the best console version (I don't have a good enough PC).
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 13:40    Post subject:
Isnt that something to do with better compression on the Xbox console and maybe the fact that it has a hard drive?

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KillaK




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 15:24    Post subject:
Answer: Xbox doesn't use dummy files to push data outwards.

We all know that GTA3 is the same on ps2 as well as xbox, but the xbox version is about 670 odd megs and the ps2 version is around 4 gigs. That's some big ass dummy file.
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 19:30    Post subject:
Don't get put off by my thoughts Reg67 the main aspect of the game is what it always has been that said though combat for me in Warrior Within particuarly was a big enough chunk of the game thats why I brought it up. To be fair as the game progresses you pretty much unlock new combos and the flowing style of combat that was in SoT and WW still seems to be present so my comments in regards to combat, having now played the game a little more could only really be applied to the first hour and a half or so.

If you don't make the stealth kills which is a huge possibility later on when the margin for error during the quick timer button presses gets smaller then combat against some pretty irritating and tough enemies is what follows, so those are the choices. There are places in the game as well where not killing a guard using the stealth kill will result in them rushing off and calling for reinforcements so the incentive is there to try and be as sneaky as possible as I pointed out though often getting into the position for the stealth kill isn't the hard part its timing the move. If anything all this stealth malarkey is the part which you should raise your eyebrows at Reg67 again though it isn't the main part of the game.

To be perfectly honest having played the game about 45mins past the part with the Horse I don't see that much difference between this and Warrior Within sure there are some new moves and you get to morph into the other character who has constantly decreasing health, powerful combos and the bonus of being able to use the chain weapon to swing from ledge to ledge but I don't think the ties to Sands of Time are as close as the developers would have you believe.

edit....I'd made it to the level entitled "The Brothel" in the game, there are some amount of quirky little AI bugs in the game stuff like if you run into a group of enemies and fancy a breather just stand on some stairs because the enemies don't appear to be able to walk up stairs, they just stand there beating their chests - what the hell is that Confused
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PostPosted: Thu, 1st Dec 2005 23:38    Post subject:
i love these games and am looking forward to finishing this as i have finished the last 2 over the last 2 xmas periods so great stuff Smile a real december treat.

As for framerate, the 360 version runs smooth, while the PS3 is a jaggy mess that chugs along in slow motion.
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 02:06    Post subject:
Yeah its good, some of the spacing inbetween checkpoints is really poor though at times its too easy and then you have occasions like this example......

I just raced through the second section with the horse and chariot and in doing so had to use some of my sands of time powers just to get through the section due to the fact that other chariots were ramming me and the track was bloody crazy (loaded with jumps, obstacles, other chariots etc). When I eventually complete the section I expect to be whisked off to a save point or at least given the chance to restore some of my sands of time, instead I immediately get flung into an enclosed arena with two rock hard bosses. wtf!?
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 02:11    Post subject:
yea they were tough, luckily you only have to get their health down to ca. a half and thats it, well as long as you dont screw up the speedkill session at the end of the fight.
i think i m nearly finished with the game, but it was a really fun ride so far, alot better than ww,
only the fighting isnt as good as in the 1st one, but thankfully you can speedkill in this one.
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 07:29    Post subject:
I completed this earlier on.

Gotta say this game just didn't have the same impact on me as the previous 2 offerings, which isn't to say its a bad game but by the last few levels I was actually just wanting the game to be done with which is never a good sign. The story wasn't as interesting either.

My main gripe would be that I've seen most of what this game had to offer in the previous 2 titles, the levels in Two Thrones weren't especially original or well designed nor as challenging as the previous titles. The final boss is possibly the worst end game boss I've seen in a game ever, visually it looks like a flying golden venus fly trap with a man inside (basically what im trying to say is it looks like pure crap), difficulty wise its the sort of boss which you could quite easily score a perfect on after 5 minutes or so of studying its attack patterns then go on to absolutely hammer it. Im not kidding when I say that some of the standard enemies in Ninja Gaiden on normal difficulty are harder and look better never mind the sub bosses and bosses in that game.

The one saving grace at the end is the "final" final level which I guess is intended to be some sort of homage to the original Prince of Persia game.

I'd give it a 7/10, a solid and at times very enjoyable game but I've seen it all before.

btw when I completed the game I got a code for a new weapon the "Telephone of Sorrow"!??
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Reg67




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 10:03    Post subject:
You have completed it already Starshine? How long (about) did it take you to finish the game?
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 11:03    Post subject:
yeah, must have took around 10-12 hours Reg67.

The game seemed a little linear compared to the previous 2 games in that are really no points where you can get stuck, the routes through the levels are pretty obvious and the boss battles are very basic/very easy stuff to anyone thats played through Ninja Gaiden most of them require simple button bashing and dodging paired with some well timed button pressing (Stealth Kills). Theres really nothing in there that would drag the game out for a longer period with the exception of the ending which I believe can be played in 2 different ways leading to 2 different completions.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 11:31    Post subject:
ah thx for the info star, im so skipping this one. Smile
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 13:11    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
ah thx for the info star, im so skipping this one. Smile


Why? Because one person didn't love it?

Good reason... Rolling Eyes

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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 13:26    Post subject:
well, my taste in quality of games is pretty much on par with star, so yes it is a good reason.

obviously other posts had their impact as well, but didnt know i had to list them all...Rolling Eyes

from what i understand the first out of theese 3 games was the best. i didnt like the 2nd and 3rd seem to continue down that path...
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 13:43    Post subject:
thats total bullshit, sure we can agree that the 1st one was the best, but the 3rd one is definitely alot better than the 2nd one, no doubt.
everyone who liked the first one will definitely like this one as it follows the same route, warrior within is a complete different story though.
its nonsensical to complain about the level design in this one when ww had the most monotone stages and a damn lot of backtracking.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 13:45    Post subject:
i was refering to the fighting...not so much the level design.

edit: argh fuck it, im just going to dl it and try it out then. thanx alot am and kuja! Razz
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D_A_Kuja
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 14:17    Post subject:
i was actually reffering to starshine´s post,
anyway best way is to just dload it, there s nothing else around atm anyway.
i m sure you ll agree that its atleast a step forward from the 2nd.
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 14:43    Post subject:
D_A_Kuja wrote:
thats total bullshit, sure we can agree that the 1st one was the best, but the 3rd one is definitely alot better than the 2nd one, no doubt.
everyone who liked the first one will definitely like this one as it follows the same route, warrior within is a complete different story though.
its nonsensical to complain about the level design in this one when ww had the most monotone stages and a damn lot of backtracking.


Thank god, I stopped playing Wariror within after 2 hours.. I hated it..

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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 17:56    Post subject:
I havent played the first two(But im downloading them soon) and i have been playing this one...Personaly i love it cant realy see why so many people say its crap..Fair enough at the start of the game its all a bit plain and boring but give it about 30 minutes playing(if ya good at it) and it gets interesting..Better kills,weapons etc. Very good game!
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 20:47    Post subject:
hmmm, actually it was pretty ok! Smile

i only played the first 30 min or so, but yeah not so much focused on action and when it was there was also the option to press y and x x them.

the platforming was pretty much like sof, so yeah not too bad. feels like a matiné movie.
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 20:53    Post subject:
D_A_Kuja wrote:
anyway best way is to just dload it


I agree with that I would never try to influence someone to play or not play a game with my opionions best way is to try it Nailbiter and then tell us what you think as well, those are MY opinions after all. I really didn't know I came across as someone who forced his opinions on people I always thought I was more laid back.

D_A_Kuja, I didn't see what was so harsh about saying "I'd give it a 7/10, a solid and at times very enjoyable game but I've seen it all before" then backing that opinion up with why I didn't find the game to be great, as I said the levels have been done before and they've been done better plus when the Sands of Time came out the game actually fealt fresh and new to me, this game doesn't. As a gamer what I personally don't want to play is yearly incremental releases of the same game just with a few new moves and a diff story ala Tomb Raider - so yeah please put the dummy back in the pram and get over the fact that I didn't like the game as much as you do, calling my opinions bullshit isn't going to change them either. Razz I could expand on why I disliked some of the levels but I think by now people get the picture that even though at times I enjoyed the game and I played it to completion I would say the game borders on average/slightly above average.

Theres also the fact to consider that on the Xbox we had Ninja Gaiden Black this year, although not strictly within the same genre the two games share some of the same gameplay ideas yet that game manages to raise the bar for all others in pretty much everything it does - that game had a HUGE influence on how I scored Two Thrones when I played it. Combat isn't the main part of the PoP series but the enemy AI in Two Thrones even on a basic level is abysmal, enemies that can't even walk up a flight of stairs shouldn't be in games in this day and age.

Enough with my negative comments though. Very Happy
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 20:58    Post subject:
StarShine wrote:


I agree with that I would never try to influence someone to play or not play a game with my opionions best way is to try it Nailbiter and then tell us what you think as well, those are MY opinions after all. I really didn't know I came across as someone who forced his opinions on people I always thought I was more laid back.



haha you didnt come across as forcing your opinions, it was me being lazy and grumpy and trying to save my time. but with the overwhelming feedback i got i had to try it anyway! Smile

i agree with what your saying about ng:black though. the action between the titles are not even comparable. im going to see this pop game as a pure platformer.

edit: and they do have the wall running and wall jumping in common also come to think about it.
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StarShine




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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 21:57    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
haha you didnt come across as forcing your opinions, it was me being lazy and grumpy and trying to save my time. but with the overwhelming feedback i got i had to try it anyway! Smile


Hehe, I wasn't sniping at you Nailbiter your ever the gentleman and scholar. Razz
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PostPosted: Fri, 2nd Dec 2005 22:20    Post subject:
Nailbiter wrote:
i was refering to the fighting...not so much the level design.

edit: argh fuck it, im just going to dl it and try it out then. thanx alot am and kuja! Razz


Yay, thats the way to do it!

I mean, you might love it, is it really worth passing up the possibility for a few hours of downloading? Smile

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PostPosted: Sat, 3rd Dec 2005 01:35    Post subject:
what is the telephone of sorrow good for, you can just use it like a simple secondary weapon till it breaks, didnt notice any real function yet.
and i cant manage to get the other ending, i ve done what logically seems to trigger the 2nd one (trying not to spoil), but nothing happens, the only thing i can do is just get the normal ending again.
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