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 Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 00:07 Post subject: [PS3] The Ps3 Is Going To Get PWNED By The Xbox360 |
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For You guys who think the PS3 will be better than the Xbox360. This Article came from http://360updates.qj.net/
I think Sony is going down this time. I am so glade I bought a 360 cause the article is scaring me away from the PS3.
Sunday, November 27, 2005
10 Reasons Not to Buy The PS3
Ps3
Echo Evolution from our forums has dug up this post from IGN on the to 10 reasons you should not buy the PS3:
I was looking on the Xbox 360 forum and I spotted a topic by a IGN user called Zeylon, and the topic name is Ten 10 reasons why you shouldn't get the PS3, even if the PS3 was out today. And this is what Zeylon had to say:
I don't think the PS3 sucks, but since IGN was stupid enough to publish some trash with crappy reasons not to get an Xbox 360... all bets are off. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/668/668446p1.html.
1. No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live.
Sony, you can keep your ability to plug in 7 controllers. I'll take being able to play with 63 other players on live in a fps over 7 controllers any day of the week.
2. The 36.5 megabits per second blu ray drive that Sony is squeezing into the PS3.
The BD-Rom drive that's going to be used in the PS3 has a speed of 36.5 MBits per second. 36.5megaBITS per second, not megaBYTES. 8bits=1byte=4.5megaBYTES per second. http://www.blu-ray.com/faq/
This is because the technology for the drives will still be in it's infancy when the ps3 is being launched.
That means in order to fill the 256MB cache (to load a decent sized race on GT4 let's say) will take about 56 seconds of waiting.
To fill the same 256MB cache on the xbox 360's 12x DVD drive read at 15.75MB/s (megabytes) = 15 seconds
I know you know your math.
If you want an idea of how long a minute is, try staring at a clock for a minute and see how bored you get.
I'm not going to stand for huge loading times next gen as well. Long load times are meant to be a thing of the past. But Sony is making sure that's not the case by insisting on using Blu Ray drives when the technology (and their read speeds) are still so early.
On top of this, Playstation 3 Blu Ray drive will cost Gamers $100+ per console. http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=25901
And within 1 year, once blu-ray movies actually start coming out, the same $100 would probably buy you a far faster 4x or 8x blu-ray player that functions a lot better (compare watching dvds on a standalone player vs. on the original ps2). And do you really think that, if blu-ray does come out on top, that the 360 won't release with a version that can play bluray versions as well? Legally, as long as MS pays the same small fees that other blu ray player manufacterers pay to use sony's tech, Sony can't stop MS from putting blu ray drives in their 360s. And by then, the drives will likely be a lot cheaper, and a lot faster than the once found on the launch PS3s.
3. Opting for 8 USB ports and multiple memory card readers over a HDD.
There's no reason to put in like 8 usb ports and all these freaking memory card reader and all these other ports that no one wants. We can buy a memory card adapter if we want.
We don't need 3 ethernet ports, one will be more than plenty. JUST INCLUDE 4 USB 2.O PORTS, 1 ETHERNET PORT, SUPPORT FOR SONY MEMORY STICK DUOS (since that's what psp uses and that's what makes Sony the most money) AND THE STUFF TO CONNECT TO ANALOG AND HDTVS.
USE THE MANUFACTURING COSTS YOU SAVE TO THROW IN A CHEAP 5GB HDD so developers can make games like Blinx or FFXI or use the HDD to reduce load times and stuff.
IF A SMALL HDD IS INCLUDED IN EVERY SYSTEM, EVERY DEVELOPER WILL USE IT TO REDUCE LOAD TIMES. Don't you guys want developers to use the hdd to reduce loadtimes, to make games like FFXI that require a HDD? wouldn't that be better than a bunch of useless ports that no one will use that you can just buy an adapter for if you really need?
SELL THE ADAPTER TO CONNECT OLD PS2 AND PS1 GAMES SEPERATELY FOR LIKE $10 AND YOU'LL MAKE ENOUGH TO COMPENSATE FOR THE HDD. Once we transfer all our old saves over to the HDD, we can just sell it on ebay or something and it's one less ugly port we have to look at.
HDD = Custom soundtracks, downloadable content, FFXI style mmorpgs, faster load times.
Multiple seperate Memory Card Readers Built in = Worthless
4. Sony disabling the ability to have LAN parties (without getting wired controllers) by insisting on using bluetooth controllers over Infrared ones.
"Bain admitted that the wireless signal could be interfered with by another nearby PlayStation 3 console and in those instances where many consoles would be close by, such as at a LAN party, it would be necessary to default to using wired controllers"
5. The Cell.
Not only is the cell processor going to jack up the price of the PS3 quite a bit. It's greatly bottlenecked by the 512 MBs of L2 Cache (the 360 has twice that much L2 Cache).
For all the hype about the cell. Guess what, the processor means jack when it comes to gaming. 3 3.2 ghz cores vs. 1 3.2 ghz core and 7 PPEs mean nothing. What matters for gaming is the GPU. And most reports (anandtech etc.) state that the 360's graphics card is almost a generation more advanced. This makes sense, ATI built the card from the ground up with technology that won't make it's way into PC cards for atleast an year or so. The NVIDEA card in the PS3 is identical to the card as what'll be available for the PC in a month or two. The only thing that the cpu will actually matter for is the AI. And AI is more depenedent on L2 cache (this is what ultimately determines the number of simultanous algorithms you can run at any one time) than on processing speed. And guess what, the 360's has twice the L2 cache of the PS3's Cell!
6. No requirement to make developers use 720p.
People make the ps3s 1080i sound like it's going to be standard. All that sony said was the the PS3 supports aka. can theoretically output 1080i.
Guess what, the original xbox "supports" 720p (identical to how the ps3 will "support" 1080i).
Want to guess how many xbox games actually came out offering 720p? I'll give you one guess.
Want to take a guess how many ps3 games wil actually offer 1080i (Or the even more useless dual monitor output) esp. considering how much extra work it'll be to render everything at that resolution for two monitors - as if the PS3's measily 512 L2 Cache isn't already enough of a bottleneck?
The cool thing about the 360 is that all the games are required to support 720p, and considering that's a MUCH MUCH MUCH higher resolution than dvds, it's more than enough.
7. Accessible cost
Blu-ray wont be cheap! Cell won't be cheap! Odds are, when the PS3 finally does come out, MS will lower the price a bit and the PS3 will cost a small fortune by comparison. The discs cost a small fortune to manufacture, don't expect games under $70 atleast for an year or so, and if then you consider the development costs who knows!
8.The Games.
Well this one is kind of a toss up. The Xbox 360's Kameo, Enchant Arm, Perfect Dark (drool), RE5, Gears of War, Blue Dragon, Oblivion, FPS, Racers (Forza, PGR), DoA etc. vs. GTA 4 and whatever sequels Sony has planned. What is true is the the 360s gaming library will get a one year headstart, and the PS3's will probably take a long time to catch up, if ever.
9. The Design.
Well this is personal opinion too. But who came with the brilliant idea to model it after a building anyways? Fire them and make it look next gen. My old Atari Jaguar looks less crappy. YOU CALL THAT A NEXT GEN DESIGN!? There is really no symmetry to it at all. Put the drive in the middle, get rid of the weird ridges and make it actually look smooth in the front and back and well. Then you have a nextgen looking consoles.
IT REALLY WOULDN'T TAKE MANY ALTERATIONS TO MAKE THE CONSOLE LOOK AWESOME, GET RID OF THE RIDGES SO ITS LOOKS PERFECTLY SMOOTH ON THE FRONT AND THE BACK, MOVE THE CD TRAY TO THE MIDDLE TO MAKE THE CONSOLE SYMMETRICAL. IT WOULD LOOK AWESOME.
10. Developer Hell.
No one has any experience working with the Cell. 7 PPEs, seriously, you think any developer is going to have any idea how to utilize them? Just making a game that uses dual processors takes a 50% larger budget. Meanwhile, developers are already raving about how much easier Microsoft's standards and XNA development kits are making it to develop 360 games. And it's a heck of a lot cheaper to manufacture the discs too. Even small developers with just $100,000 can make their own game and sell it via Xbox Live marketplace.
And as already mentioned the L2 cache of the PS3's cell in miniscule. Most PC processors and the 360's processor have twice the cache. To make a processor with half the cache and expect it to be shared among 7 PPEs is just asking for developers to curse Sony day and night.
On top of all this, by the time the PS3 launches, developers will have had loads of experience of utilizing the 360. Expect the 2nd generation 360 games using much smaller budgets to blow the first generation PS3 games out of the water graphically.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 00:28 Post subject: |
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i wouldnt trust some xbox fanboy on a forum, especially since he actually has the cheek to compare the crappy x360 launch (which consists almost only of cheap ports of current gen games) with ps3 killer apps like gta, mgs, ff, gran turismo and many more.
who can guarantee that this guy knows what he s talking about, that he s not interpreting the specs and functions in a different way like microsoft did with their biased x360 vs ps3 comparison directly after the e3.
main point is, the ps3 has ALL the fuckin killer aps, x360 has nothing.
so i dont care if this was even true and i have yet to see an x360 title that really looks next-gen, so far i m not really impressed.
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Elazul
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | i wouldnt trust some xbox fanboy on a forum, especially since he actually has the cheek to compare the crappy x360 launch (which consists almost only of cheap ports of current gen games) |
So you call Kameo, Perfect Dark Zero, Ridge Racer 6, Condemned and Dead or Alive 4 "cheap ports"? They are 360 exclusive and were released the same day as the console. I thought the release games were great!
"Thats no prob kanee! Suck your cock! A Firmware flash is more than fucking enough!" - Supermax2004
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:07 Post subject: |
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Call of Duty 2
GUN
Peter Jacksons King Kong
Need for Speed Most Wanted
Madden 2006
Fifa 2006
NBA Live 2006
NHL 2006
Tiger Woods Golf 2006
Quake 4
Tony Hawk American Wasteland
meh, he was kinda right.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:09 Post subject: |
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Come on get real.. Sony are not going to release something with less capabilites than the 360.
The PS3 will be roughly 1/2 to 1 year technologically superior to the 360, depending on it's release date.
The only real question is which company has got the timing right.
I looked up "gormless" in the dictionary, it said "without gorm" .... so i looked up "gorm" but it wasn't there ????
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:13 Post subject: |
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i d say doa 4 is a very popular game, but it still cant be compared to the ps3 line-up.
the other ones arent that good as they were expected to be, perfect zero dark was hyped to be the world but it ended up being just some shooter with fairly little realism and impact, its nothing compared to the newer games like fear. ridge racer is the same as it always has been, a simple arcade racer, not remotely as good as the burnout games, condemned is fairly good i admit and kameo, cant say much about that one.
what i call cheap ports are the other releases like gun, tony hawk etc.
see, there is no real killer app on the x360 launch, and not even one in remote future.
you could call halo 3 a killer app, sure, but i refuse so because i could never really see what was so good about these games.
you can call me crazy but even if ps3 is the worst shit ever and it flops so bad, i will get it only for mgs4, i just have to play that one.
besides, for all ppl nagging about specs and interpreting them in their own ways etc., just take a look at the mgs4 video, and tell me, is there any x360 game that looks remotely as good as this?
ps: dont get me wrong, i m not a sony fanboy, in fact i admit that the ps2 is the worst piece of of crap hardware-technically, but because of its game library its the king of consoles. in the beginning i was planning to get an x360 myself because the ps3 wouldnt come out for a long time, but as all the good developers went to sony´s side again, i thought to myself, what in the hell could i play on the x360 now?
i dont care about the consoles themselves, i follow the developers like konami, capcom, namco and square.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:34 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | i wouldnt trust some xbox fanboy on a forum, especially since he actually has the cheek to compare the crappy x360 launch (which consists almost only of cheap ports of current gen games) with ps3 killer apps like gta, mgs, ff, gran turismo and many more.
who can guarantee that this guy knows what he s talking about, that he s not interpreting the specs and functions in a different way like microsoft did with their biased x360 vs ps3 comparison directly after the e3.
main point is, the ps3 has ALL the fuckin killer aps, x360 has nothing.
so i dont care if this was even true and i have yet to see an x360 title that really looks next-gen, so far i m not really impressed. |
Do you work for Rockstar games, because the next GTA has not been announced as being exclusive to the PS3. Rockstar games were quoted as saying that there will be no more exclusive GTA games only for Playstation only.
It makes me laugh to think that eveyr PS3 fanboy thinks that the next GTA will be on the PS3 only.
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azzman
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:35 Post subject: |
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Thats a very interesting post , time will tell if its correct
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:38 Post subject: |
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A video means nothing, until we actually see someone playing one of these PS3 games it doesn't mean shit. No point in even comparing.
Plus, by the time the PS3 is eventually released the 360 will have a massive headstart in terms of games, who cares what the launch titles were if this is a direct comparison. No-one knows what will be out for the release of the PS3, but I wouldn't pin my hopes on the host of supposed sequals. Seeing as how many games will probably be delayed.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:47 Post subject: |
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i wouldnt put my hand into fire for the killzone video but i m damn sure the mgs4 one is true in-game graphics. so far hideo kojima never ever presented a pre-rendered clip of any mgs game, and it wouldve been totally pointless to do so with mgs4.
showing pre-rendered games may be sony´s preferred dirty tactic, but mgs4 was shown at the konami booth hence i m sure its not a fraud.
anyway as i said, if the good developers move to x360, i move as well, but of course i am hoping that the ps3 turns out to be what it claims to be, because with better graphics and more complex game designs comes more usage of space on the media, and i dont see how x360´s dvd9 would be up for the job.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 01:56 Post subject: |
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These points all scare me and will probley keep me away from the PS3
- NO HDD { thats crazy}
-No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live {bad move Sony}
-ability to plug in 7 controllers {why in the fuck would you do with 7 controllers}
-The cost is going to be high
-Devlopers admit that xbox360 is easer to develop on
-Multiple seperate Memory Card Readers Built in {I would rather stream my Pictures from my HDD on my CPU + music too}
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 02:13 Post subject: |
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well you could wait some time and then decide, if you were planning on waiting for the ps3, then you can wait 2 more months after its release and decide.
i ll prolly end up getting both consoles sooner or later as i ve heard that shenmue 3 might be in development for the x360, and then there s also mistwalker, made up of square´s hinorobu sakaguchi and nobuo uematsu, so there is some potential i gotta admit.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 02:48 Post subject: Re: [PS3] The Ps3 Is Going To Get PWNED By The Xbox360 |
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| cybersurfer wrote: |
1. No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live.
Sony, you can keep your ability to plug in 7 controllers. I'll take being able to play with 63 other players on live in a fps over 7 controllers any day of the week. |
Uhhhh I'm pretty sure you will be able to play a 64 player game online with PS3 even if it doesn't have live (first thing's first is making a console game that can support up to 64 people online which hasn't happened yet but eventually will). I don't really give a shit about live. The only thing I really like about live is the friends list. I hate the set up to find games. Just give me a damn server list. The PS3's online is gonna be like PS2's which is like what we have with PCs. Just start up the game and look at the server list.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 02:59 Post subject: Re: [PS3] The Ps3 Is Going To Get PWNED By The Xbox360 |
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| hahe wrote: | | cybersurfer wrote: |
1. No Live! In fact, sony came out and recently announced that they're not even going to bother to build an answer to Xbox Live.
Sony, you can keep your ability to plug in 7 controllers. I'll take being able to play with 63 other players on live in a fps over 7 controllers any day of the week. |
Uhhhh I'm pretty sure you will be able to play a 64 player game online with PS3 even if it doesn't have live (first thing's first is making a console game that can support up to 64 people online which hasn't happened yet but eventually will). I don't really give a shit about live. The only thing I really like about live is the friends list. I hate the set up to find games. Just give me a damn server list. The PS3's online is gonna be like PS2's which is like what we have with PCs. Just start up the game and look at the server list. |
What about downloading demos for games and other content, I love live it gives ya one big community...which is awsome. Arcade live is great and comparing achevements to other gamers. I love the friends feature where you can invite them to play a game. I love live and is a major plus. |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 03:16 Post subject: |
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The price for the PS3 will be 200-300 USD.
And I'm pretty sure there will be some fanzy online gameing thing..
Just wait and see..
PS3 will OWN the shit outa crap-box.
I hate you.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 03:19 Post subject: |
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i never played anything online on any console, i use pc for online games and consoles for single player games or fighting, racing as multiplayer.
i dont need all the functions, i also never got a hdd for my ps2, so most of your contras listed above dont make any difference to me.
its about preference in the end but i play console games the old fashioned way.
and btw nice to finally get the flame war into the next generation, lately everyone s been too reasonable and quiet, we need some more fire here 
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 03:38 Post subject: |
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As if any games in the lifetimes of the new consoles will take more then the space on a DVD9, thats ridiculous. Blu ray is a gimic, nothing more. Unless they plan on having loads of high quality video and audio (which isn't necessary for a game) then they won't go over DVD9's.
Plus, if that stuff is true about the load times, I would gladly sacrifice a resolution level or two on the videos in a game rather then have to wait minutes for things to load.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 03:48 Post subject: |
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true, if the load times were really that bad then i d rather miss out on graphics.
regarding dvd9, there are already so many games nowadays that fill up a whole dvd9,
now with the next-gen consoles of course the textures take alot more space than before, and then of course the hd video and audio are much higher quality than now.
either they will release games on several dvd9s very soon, or they will compress textures at a very high ratio so it ll take a shitload of time to load a level, or they will just release extremely short games that take no more than 5 hours to complete. if you ask me, any of these options is crap. in comparison on a blu ray disc they will have so much space, they wont need to compress anything at high rates so there wont be that much loading as well.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 04:17 Post subject: |
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| Stealth88 wrote: | The price for the PS3 will be 200-300 USD.
And I'm pretty sure there will be some fanzy online gameing thing..
Just wait and see..
PS3 will OWN the shit outa crap-box. |
200 - 300 USD for ps3 yea right! LOL
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 04:22 Post subject: |
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i m sure it ll be around 400 euros which isnt bad, around the same price the ps2 had at launch.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 05:12 Post subject: |
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| azzman wrote: | | Stealth88 wrote: | The price for the PS3 will be 200-300 USD.
And I'm pretty sure there will be some fanzy online gameing thing..
Just wait and see..
PS3 will OWN the shit outa crap-box. |
200 - 300 USD for ps3 yea right! LOL |
HaHa more like 500-600 USD double LOL |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 05:49 Post subject: Re: [PS3] The Ps3 Is Going To Get PWNED By The Xbox360 |
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| cybersurfer wrote: |
What about downloading demos for games and other content, I love live it gives ya one big community...which is awsome. Arcade live is great and comparing achevements to other gamers. I love the friends feature where you can invite them to play a game. I love live and is a major plus. |
Demos....meh I have Gamefly so if I want to play a game I just put it on my list. I've gotten demo discs for ages so demos are nothing new and isn't something eagerly need/want.
Like I said the friends freature is basically the only thing I really like about live. And remember live costs $50 (think it's still that) a year, compared to PS2/3 which is free.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 06:12 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | true, if the load times were really that bad then i d rather miss out on graphics.
regarding dvd9, there are already so many games nowadays that fill up a whole dvd9,
now with the next-gen consoles of course the textures take alot more space than before, and then of course the hd video and audio are much higher quality than now.
either they will release games on several dvd9s very soon, or they will compress textures at a very high ratio so it ll take a shitload of time to load a level, or they will just release extremely short games that take no more than 5 hours to complete. if you ask me, any of these options is crap. in comparison on a blu ray disc they will have so much space, they wont need to compress anything at high rates so there wont be that much loading as well. |
Could you name me some of those games that completely fill DVD9's?
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 09:00 Post subject: |
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just give me a Nintendo Revolution,as it'll be the true FUN family system
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 09:27 Post subject: |
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metal gear solid 2: substence, xenosaga 2, ninja gaiden black and more
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 10:12 Post subject: |
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | | metal gear solid 2: substence, xenosaga 2, ninja gaiden black and more |
None of those games fill a DVD9 disc. Sure, thay are bigger than 4.3 gigs and require a DL disc but the don't use all of the capacity. No game as far as i'm aware uses a full DVD9 disc.
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 11:19 Post subject: |
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In all truth I still belive that all the next gen consoles are hugely overhyped, from what I have played of the XBox 360 it certainly doesnt live up to my expectations, it felt like a slow PC at times :\..
Still I think the best plan is to wait and see, we dont have a clue what sony has up its sleve for the console, could be anything really? They may change the entire design and concept of the console before realease and turn it into a under 10's play toy! Who knows?
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 12:12 Post subject: |
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| RMFX wrote: | | D_A_Kuja wrote: | | metal gear solid 2: substence, xenosaga 2, ninja gaiden black and more |
None of those games fill a DVD9 disc. Sure, thay are bigger than 4.3 gigs and require a DL disc but the don't use all of the capacity. No game as far as i'm aware uses a full DVD9 disc. |
thats true i admit but there are alot of them that use up 6 GB, seeing how in the change from psx to ps2 the games started using 3 times the space at average, if the difference between the current and next gen consoles is comparable to that between current and last gen, then 9 GB still wont be enough. |
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| Posted: Mon, 5th Dec 2005 12:30 Post subject: |
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7 fuckin controller ports? So there will be 7 player split screen? You couldnt see anything. I hope the online mode is free on PS3 like it was on PS2, I wouldnt care if it had Live or not. And as long as it uses a PC HDD not a damn laptop HDD (like the 360) then I will buy it, since I had to buy one seperate for the 360 anyway. Maybe the PS3 will be easier to mod also, thats what I am hoping for, like with the PS2 theres so many easy ways to mod it without a chip.
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