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SirCez
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 Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 00:06 Post subject: Self Defense |
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Let me start from the beginning. When I was a kid (10-11 yrs) i wanted to learn Karate. My parents didn't allow me. I begged them but it didn't work. When I was 16 I wanted to learn Martial Arts but didn't had enough money. Last year I was going to start but had problems again, and now I regret that I didn't start last year, I could have been one year into my training. I don't want to repeat this next year.
Here are my questions
* Any of you that live in London know any places? (Money isn't problem)
* Any info about different techniques and which one is best for self defense
* I'm going to be 21 in three weeks time, am I too late?
I will also search the Internet but I though maybe there might be experienced trainers that can give me some advice. I don't want to show of, just want to learn how to self defence and improve my confidence.
Thanks in advance.
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GP Force
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 00:57 Post subject: Re: Self Defense |
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| SirCez wrote: | Let me start from the beginning. When I was a kid (10-11 yrs) i wanted to learn Karate. My parents didn't allow me. I begged them but it didn't work. When I was 16 I wanted to learn Martial Arts but didn't had enough money. Last year I was going to start but had problems again, and now I regret that I didn't start last year, I could have been one year into my training. I don't want to repeat this next year.
Here are my questions
* Any of you that live in London know any places? (Money isn't problem)
* Any info about different techniques and which one is best for self defense
* I'm going to be 21 in three weeks time, am I too late?
I will also search the Internet but I though maybe there might be experienced trainers that can give me some advice. I don't want to show of, just want to learn how to self defence and improve my confidence.
Thanks in advance. |
I started training taekwondo (ITF) fuck WTF lame ass shit when I was like 16-17 years old (23 now) and it's never to late to start training any sport, except for maybe football/hockey etc etc (you know why). Hell evryone despite age should pick any form of training except the one's who do it at work/home/private etc etc.
Im thinking about start doing weights again or maybe some brazilian ju justu, but im not sure.. I never liked ju jutsu...
Akido sounds appealing, though I would love to do CQC but sadly it's not for civilians only law enforcements/Military. It always depends on what your planning to achive. Self defence you say? Well in all my years I hardly used taekwondo in order to protect my self. Then again if you REALLY want SELF defence you should pick a martial art that evolves on the person who hits first, not like taekwondo where I can use kicks to get trough. Akido is nice because it really is TRUE self defence, you use the foes power against him, unlike taekwondo where you aim to take him down by your own powers.
And please understand just because your doing any form of martial art doesn't mean you'll use it in real life, martial art is so much more then just fighting (depends on the club as well). Not to mention it's hard to actually make it natural when your in a real fight with one or several assholes. Sure I remembered how to block punches/kicks etc in order to protect my self, but it wasn't like I had to start using those infamous "kicks" in taekwondo. Just because you know martial arts doesn't mean your better/smarter then guy your facing in combat. If your getting robbed with a man who's armed, give him the wallet don't be stupid and try to do a bruce lee on him. Im aware of styles that teaches ways to disarm foes, but it's stupid and dangerous, since you could just give him the money and hopefully be free, instead of "trying" to disarm and get killed.
If a robber/etc wants your money, give it to him.
The only style I would love to train in order to take down foes with arms is CQC, but like I said or any smart trainer/student would say it's pointless to act stupid.
And then we have the "attitude" don't start training if you think your gonna be better then evryone else.
I've had an unfortante life or lucky depends on how you look at... started when I was around 7 till I was like 18, I got into fights/drugs, went to juvenail when I was 14 (horrible) and I must say during those times I hardly ever used taekwondo, instead I would use any object that was near me or kick in "bad" places to get him down quick. Wow sorry about that, I dunno why I had to write it down like a short novell 
If my memory serves me right, im pretty sure one of the nforce members Sycoshaman is some sort of instructor (not sure of style) but im sure he'll have more points to add in this thread 
Best of all: Good Luck and godspeed
Bottom line is.. no it's never to late. I'd recomend any form of martial art that's serious for my dad if I could.
There a lot more techniques/styles but if you really aim for SELF DEFENCE I would recomend "Akido"
Lists of Akido clubs in uk
http://www.onesite.co.uk/find/aikido.htm
And here's a nice essay about "Self Defence" got a few nice points as well you should look into
http://www.furyu.com/onlinearticles/bestself.html
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SirCez
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 01:39 Post subject: |
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'GP Force' thanks for the info. I wish I started my training when I was a kid. I will check out the links you've provided. And I will look into Akido. By saying Self Defense, I meant protecting yourself whatever method it takes from multiple attackers. I also want to do it as a sport with addition to my weight training.
As I said I don't want to start training to show off, or think I'm better than everyone else. I just want to gain confidence and If I do get into a situation like that, at least I can protect myself or get out of it with minimal damage. If it takes using punches and kicks, braking their noses, arms, legs I won't hesitate. ( I think I went too far with that one ).
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 01:49 Post subject: |
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forget it man, i did taekwondo till i got the green belt, its a waste of time.
no martial arts will teach you proper self-defense, best thing you could do is boxing or kick-boxing, but since youre almost 21 its kinda late to really master it.
there isnt really anything that can teach you self-defense, if someone assaulted you on street, he d be armed with a knife definitely, and there s not really much that you can do besides do your best to evade and get away.
anyway if you really wanna do something, boxing is the best, all asian martial arts rely too much on technique and form instead of strenght and speed.
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GP Force
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| D_A_Kuja wrote: | forget it man, i did taekwondo till i got the green belt, its a waste of time.
no martial arts will teach you proper self-defense, best thing you could do is boxing or kick-boxing, but since youre almost 21 its kinda late to really master it.
there isnt really anything that can teach you self-defense, if someone assaulted you on street, he d be armed with a knife definitely, and there s not really much that you can do besides do your best to evade and get away.
anyway if you really wanna do something, boxing is the best, all asian martial arts rely too much on technique and form instead of strenght and speed. |
D_A_Kuja how old are you? Do you actually read trough a thread before you post?
best thing you could do is boxing or kick-boxing, but since youre almost 21
k? How hell does that qualify as "best" thing?
forget it man, i did taekwondo till i got the green belt, its a waste of time.
lol... LOL!  Dude take it easy before someone crushes your coinfedence around the boards, wow nice view "i did some boxing, I didn't like it, sucks cock"
Taekwondo (also spelled Tae Kwon Do or Taekwon-Do) is the most popular of the Korean martial arts and is the Korean national sport. It is also one of the world's most commonly practiced sports. The World Taekwondo Federation's style of Taekwondo is currently an Olympic sport.
During the Japanese occupation of Korea (1910-1945), many Koreans were exposed to Japanese versions of Chinese martial arts such as karate. As the Japanese moved deeper into the continent, karate was adopted and mixed with more traditional Korean martial arts such as Taekyon, as well as traditional Chinese martial arts studied by Koreans in Manchuria and China.
Upon the liberation of Korea in 1945, various martial arts schools formed, including Chongdokwan, Yonmukwan, Changmukwan, Odokwan, and Mudokkwan. Major-General Choi Hong Hi, the father and founder of modern Taekwon-Do, taught a combination of Karate and Taekyon to his soldiers.
no martial arts will teach you proper self-defense, best thing you could do is boxing or kick-boxing,
NAVY SEALS/SAS you hear that guys? Forget about CQC/Martial Arts, go with kickboxing!
Sycoshamn is gonna LOVE your post
if you really wanna do something, boxing is the best, all asian martial arts rely too much on technique and form instead of strenght and speed
Now I was about to do a "fisk" post on ya (long one) but your last comment proved you don't know squat about anything, especially reagarding martial arts. My hands are eager to put you down on evry error you made in your
post but I think it's a waste of time since you obviously will learn nothing.
Hahahha D_A_Kuja nice joke (post) you made, your joke/prank succeded it was really funny man
How do I turn on ignore?
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you really got some issues you know that?
i spoke out of experience, i did taekwondo for 2 years and it sucks, in the 2 years i was never taught anything that could be used for self-defense.
stances and techniques are worth shit when you dont learn how to strike properly, everyone knows that you ignorant idiot.
in boxing and kick-boxing you properly learn how to hit and thats what counts, crush your enemy and dont dance around him before getting your ass handed to you, as in the example of taekwondo.
you dont need to give me any info about taekwondo that you copied out of some dictionary only to boost up your ego, its irrelevant anyway, did i say anything about the history of taekwondo or ask about it? no, so who gives a shit you cockfag.
and yes forget about martial arts, i never said anything about cqc, thats more effective, but martial arts suck for self-defense if you dont practice for atleast 20 years.
i guess its that time of the month and you just feel like taking it out on someone, this time its me. no matter what i reply anywhere you start bashing it, even though you dont know what the hell youre talking about.
many of your replies consist of emoticons instead of counter-arguments, because you dont know of any, you just argue for the sake of having an argument instead of making a point.
go and turn on ignore so i dont have to read your crappy reply posts anymore, they just annoy me and make me reply as well, which is a complete waste of time, as your next reply would be of same low quality and intellect as the previous one.
so how about "go and fuck yourself"?
no, you dont need to argue that, an emoticon would be enough 
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 04:55 Post subject: |
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| AnimalMother wrote: | I'm sure MGS3 increased the popularity of CQC.  |
to some extent, yes.
in reality or on training vids i ve seen when i was a kid it never looks really powerful
and effective, most of it is basic gripping and twisting.
in mgs3 they made it look more interesting with several quick combinations and of course added slomo-effects etc.
but still, with cqc being a pseudo martial art, it is very effective as it combines structures of several martial arts but is overall much more efficient because it focuses on disabling the opponent as quickly as possible instead of being developed as an art. |
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@SirCez
Why are you interested in martial arts? Tournament fighting or real self defense? If your looking more of a softer (japanese styles are considered hard tho), go Shotokan, Chito Ryu, Shinto Ryu, Goju etc
For self defense, forget Akido man. Dont get me wrong, Akido is an awesome art, but there is far to much evasion and not finishing an opponent for my liking.
Look into Hapkido. Like Akido, tons of evasion and flow techniques...but instead of say throwing your opponent as an Akido stylest would do, you lock his arm up into say an a-frame, break it, bring him to the ground and knock him out. All in one motion tho, very quick stuff. Its a Korean style used by the Korean military i believe.
Still, each art has its benefits - but I know Hapkido is one of the most effective arts around. And of course Hapkido is not limited to certain created attacks or some sort of 'dogma' - most hapkido instructors encourage their students to develop their own moves based on what they know about the body ie pressure points, body dynamics, blood flow
Anyway, I'd say take it up man, no one is too young for martial arts. Still, any club that offers u a "black belt program" is fishy and I wouldnt join...I mean, belts really dont mean jack shit anyway...and you cant put a time frame on how quickly you will learn. Some ppl are naturally good and others have to work hard you know?
Me for instance, I used to compete for Team Canada. I wore a black belt and fought in the black belt division...but in my little group of guys (bout 20 of us - not team canada people), I was closer to being a blue belt or a lower ranking belt...why? because the guys I trained with could whip my ass and they did on a daily basis. But, officially, registered and everything, I was a black belt.
As for the comments on more traditional arts. True, some things that are still practiced arent very practical ie traditional stances - front stance, back stance, side stance, cat stance etc
When u get to a higher rank like 1st dan black that is.
But, you need to learn that shit, the basics before you progress and it does take years. Thats why alot of ppl get discouraged but still, u need the repetition to train your body to react automatically and not have to think about what your doing. Katas and things of the sort, also fine tune your balance and striking and such.
I dont practice nor teach kata at all anymore, only fighting, but still - as a beginner or an underbelt (under black belt), kata's and form are important. The most powerful stirkes are thrown from solid stances and balance is key in any fight, as well as reaction. Hence the repetition and such.
As for kick boxing....Ive met more horrible, pussy ass people who are "kickboxers" than I have good ones. Still, I have known a few that could deal with some shit. But they also did another art, one guy did Tang So Do (like hapkido, more fucked up kicks) and kickboxing.
Thats the thing tho...its better to get in with like a group of guys rather than a club so to speak. Fuck belts and shit, just train like mad, where ever - in a park, basement etc
Thats what we did cuz my old head instructor (GrandMaster of Hapkido) didnt like training a ton of ppl, only guys that were serious...willing to take pain and fight for real...ive gotten my ribs, knees, arms, wrists, jaw, nose etc broken on numerous occasions....but thats part of it you know? Pain tolerance. If u cant take a punch, throwing one wont help you at all.
All im saying SirCez is, if your serious, get involved with something like that.
As to how to do that...well, try going to a few local tournaments and ask around. I dunno where u are in the UK, but I know Ireland has some fabulous hapkido instructors, and their national womens team? man....fuckin hot and lethal.
And dont rush it, it takes practice, practice and more practice till it becomes easy as riding a bike. Dont feel dumb either if u cant get something, just keep trying it and practicing it. Seriously, no one is dumb when it comes to actually fighting - anyone can do it, as long as they are commited. Fighting is so much more than breaking faces tho...a good fighter also knows alot about anatomy and about the way the body reacts to a punch or some kinda strike
Oh, btw, I teach Hapkido, Shotokan and Chito Ryu and a private style.
Used to train 8 hours a day man, sometimes more...was hardcore into it when i was your age.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 20:00 Post subject: |
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best damn defense ever =
Martial art name: KICK HIM IN THE FUCKING BALLS!
Technique : Swing your best leg straight at that fuckers crotch.
Results : Watch that bitch hit the ground crying like a baby!
Learning curve : 5 minutes telling my dad some ass at school was picking on me.
Remember kids, the bigger the enemy, the quicker he goes down from a swift leg-to-bag shot.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 21:36 Post subject: |
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naw...if a guy kicks me in the nuts thats just being a bitch and a pussy. Never kick another guy in the nuts, thats just wrong and so not cool. U can justify slapping a chick if she kicks u in the nuts, now imagine a guy doing it...murder...seriously tho, Id beat the shit outta a man for that shit, once I got up - assuming he got me good.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 21:45 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | | naw...if a guy kicks me in the nuts thats just being a bitch and a pussy. Never kick another guy in the nuts, thats just wrong and so not cool. U can justify slapping a chick if she kicks u in the nuts, now imagine a guy doing it...murder...seriously tho, Id beat the shit outta a man for that shit, once I got up - assuming he got me good. |
LOL, if you're going to get your ass kicked anyway, nutbusting is a viable option. Especially seeing as when they're down you're in control.
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 21:56 Post subject: |
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i would do it, but then again i might win without. or head + wall is also a very good combo
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SirCez
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| Posted: Sun, 11th Dec 2005 21:57 Post subject: |
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| SycoShaman wrote: | @SirCez
Why are you interested in martial arts? Tournament fighting or real self defense? If your looking more of a softer (japanese styles are considered hard tho), go Shotokan, Chito Ryu, Shinto Ryu, Goju etc
For self defense, forget Akido man. Dont get me wrong, Akido is an awesome art, but there is far to much evasion and not finishing an opponent for my liking.
Look into Hapkido. Like Akido, tons of evasion and flow techniques...but instead of say throwing your opponent as an Akido stylest would do, you lock his arm up into say an a-frame, break it, bring him to the ground and knock him out. All in one motion tho, very quick stuff. Its a Korean style used by the Korean military i believe.
Still, each art has its benefits - but I know Hapkido is one of the most effective arts around. And of course Hapkido is not limited to certain created attacks or some sort of 'dogma' - most hapkido instructors encourage their students to develop their own moves based on what they know about the body ie pressure points, body dynamics, blood flow
Anyway, I'd say take it up man, no one is too young for martial arts. Still, any club that offers u a "black belt program" is fishy and I wouldnt join...I mean, belts really dont mean jack shit anyway...and you cant put a time frame on how quickly you will learn. Some ppl are naturally good and others have to work hard you know?
Me for instance, I used to compete for Team Canada. I wore a black belt and fought in the black belt division...but in my little group of guys (bout 20 of us - not team canada people), I was closer to being a blue belt or a lower ranking belt...why? because the guys I trained with could whip my ass and they did on a daily basis. But, officially, registered and everything, I was a black belt.
As for the comments on more traditional arts. True, some things that are still practiced arent very practical ie traditional stances - front stance, back stance, side stance, cat stance etc
When u get to a higher rank like 1st dan black that is.
But, you need to learn that shit, the basics before you progress and it does take years. Thats why alot of ppl get discouraged but still, u need the repetition to train your body to react automatically and not have to think about what your doing. Katas and things of the sort, also fine tune your balance and striking and such.
I dont practice nor teach kata at all anymore, only fighting, but still - as a beginner or an underbelt (under black belt), kata's and form are important. The most powerful stirkes are thrown from solid stances and balance is key in any fight, as well as reaction. Hence the repetition and such.
As for kick boxing....Ive met more horrible, pussy ass people who are "kickboxers" than I have good ones. Still, I have known a few that could deal with some shit. But they also did another art, one guy did Tang So Do (like hapkido, more fucked up kicks) and kickboxing.
Thats the thing tho...its better to get in with like a group of guys rather than a club so to speak. Fuck belts and shit, just train like mad, where ever - in a park, basement etc
Thats what we did cuz my old head instructor (GrandMaster of Hapkido) didnt like training a ton of ppl, only guys that were serious...willing to take pain and fight for real...ive gotten my ribs, knees, arms, wrists, jaw, nose etc broken on numerous occasions....but thats part of it you know? Pain tolerance. If u cant take a punch, throwing one wont help you at all.
All im saying SirCez is, if your serious, get involved with something like that.
As to how to do that...well, try going to a few local tournaments and ask around. I dunno where u are in the UK, but I know Ireland has some fabulous hapkido instructors, and their national womens team? man....fuckin hot and lethal.
And dont rush it, it takes practice, practice and more practice till it becomes easy as riding a bike. Dont feel dumb either if u cant get something, just keep trying it and practicing it. Seriously, no one is dumb when it comes to actually fighting - anyone can do it, as long as they are commited. Fighting is so much more than breaking faces tho...a good fighter also knows alot about anatomy and about the way the body reacts to a punch or some kinda strike
Oh, btw, I teach Hapkido, Shotokan and Chito Ryu and a private style.
Used to train 8 hours a day man, sometimes more...was hardcore into it when i was your age. |
I want it for self defense at the moment. If I started my training at an younger age maybe I could think about tournements. But who knows, if I progress really quickly maybe I can think about tournements, I actually love to be in one, but then again there is lot to learn. From what you're saying Hapkido sounds interesting. I will definatelly look into it. There isn't any other way for me other than joining a club I guess. How many lessons do you think I should take per week, and how long each session should last? BY the way I live in NE London.
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Lessons...I dunno, it all depends on who you train with and how much ur into it...least 2 hours tho.
At times I trained 7 days a week, 8 hours a day - basically I did it for a living. So there really isnt a min and a max...no matter what i train for atleast an hour everyday, with or without a sparring partner.
But 3 or 4 classes a week, couple of hours long is good.
Again it all depends on how much your into it.
As for tournament fighting...man, your never too young for it. Semi or Full contact. Tournament fighting isnt the same as street fighting, its alot...softer I'd say. If your interested, go for it. Enter a rated event in the white to orange 18-25 year old novice division for sparring...get points and experience, thats how it goes.
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I haven't read these replies so this may have already been stated. Your best bet is to go with some form of grappling. This is best for 1 vs 1 situations. Some suggestions for this would be Judo (which is what I did), or Brazilian Jiu Jitsu. However, you won't pick up much striking if any at all here. So, once you have a good base here, you are going to need to pick up some striking. I would suggest Muay Thai or some form of Kickboxing. Striking is more geared towards multiple opponents (obviously if you go to take someone to the ground and break something, you are probably going to get bashed in the head by his 2 buddies, though some arm locks and wrist turns could do well even with multiple opponents).
Some people won't like this, but I'm going to tell you, if you put say a Tae Kwon Do guy or any straight up striker versus an equally skilled grappler, the striker is going to get owned hard. Unless they get a knockout within the time it takes for the grappler to close the distance (how often did you ever see that in a street fight?), they'll be lucky if they are able to land anything.
I've done a lot of training since I was 8, and I'll be 30 this month. I'm speaking from experience when I tell you this. If you are looking to be as good as you can be, and not a flying kick machine, you should absolutely go with grappling.
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Judo grappling is so just...against the flow of the body tho.
U use both your strength and the opponents strength during hip takedowns, traps etc
Not to say Judo isnt effective, but its easier to use only the opponents flow and a few pressure point/joint locks/strikes. And any REAL Muay Thai fighter would smoke a pure grappler. You have to be a good mix of both. You gotta know how to stand and up and fight and how to fight if shit happens to end up on the ground...you cant say either which one is more important over the other, both are needed if you want to be a good, all around fighter.
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| ksponge wrote: | Unless they get a knockout within the time it takes for the grappler to close the distance (how often did you ever see that in a street fight?), they'll be lucky if they are able to land anything.
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I've seen it plenty, a straight knee to the face and most people are going to hit the floor hard, and if they're not knocked out, they're so disorientated that the fight is essentially over.
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Well, regarding the Muay Thai fighter smoking a grappler, I've seen this in action with a man named, I think it was Kipp or something similiar who was a bare knuckle muay thai champion dominating in Thailand. He faced off versus a brazilian jiu jitsu guy, and was destroyed within a few minutes. Close the distance, shoot or clench, sweep, pass the guard, mount, kimura or arm bar. If they give their back, choke them out with a blood choke. Or whatever, knee bar, toe hold, akilles pull.
Unless the guy has INSANE takedown defense and can sprawl at the speed of light (then again they would never have even trained this so) they are going to go to the ground. And once that happens they have no clue what they are doing, and they proceed to get owned. I've seen it time and time again so I'm not real sure where you are getting your information from.
I'm assuming you have never studied Kodokan Judo or you would know that it IS about using the other person's movements against them. At certain times you may create that motion for a setup. And again I've used Judo in fights that I have been in as a bouncer and different clubs and bars when I was younger, it's about total control. I have also seen Judo versus many other styles and it is one of the stronger styles for real use.
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| ksponge wrote: | Well, regarding the Muay Thai fighter smoking a grappler, I've seen this in action with a man named, I think it was Kipp or something similiar who was a bare knuckle muay thai champion dominating in Thailand. He faced off versus a brazilian jiu jitsu guy, and was destroyed within a few minutes. Close the distance, shoot or clench, sweep, pass the guard, mount, kimura or arm bar. If they give their back, choke them out with a blood choke. Or whatever, knee bar, toe hold, akilles pull.
Unless the guy has INSANE takedown defense and can sprawl at the speed of light (then again they would never have even trained this so) they are going to go to the ground. And once that happens they have no clue what they are doing, and they proceed to get owned. I've seen it time and time again so I'm not real sure where you are getting your information from.
I'm assuming you have never studied Kodokan Judo or you would know that it IS about using the other person's movements against them. At certain times you may create that motion for a setup. And again I've used Judo in fights that I have been in as a bouncer and different clubs and bars when I was younger, it's about total control. I have also seen Judo versus many other styles and it is one of the stronger styles for real use. |
Sorry but I think it's really LAME to compare one style vs another. I haven't trained ju jutsu though I was thinking about brazilian ju justu. In taekwondo we learned to keep the opponents AWAY... by kicks/punches... a REAL self defense style will teach you to use the opponents power against him, but that means he has to strike first.
So you see evry style has it's own genre/weakness etc etc etc. And I'll bet my right ball someoen is gonna start mentioning "Ultimate Fighting" well guess what I've seen boxers taking down highly trained martial arts trainors. so it's really up to the individual, how well he knows his own nature.
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| Quote: | | I've seen it plenty, a straight knee to the face and most people are going to hit the floor hard, and if they're not knocked out, they're so disorientated that the fight is essentially over. |
Noone is going to be throwing a knee to the face when you start off with a side kick to the knee of the opponent and drop inside and immediately take away their power arm. Or start off with a 1 2 combo to raise their hands and go for a single or double leg take down. I'd direct you to take a look at any of the Gracie versus (insert style here) to see what actually happens in these situations. Straight up striking does not work versus a grappler. If you have trained in any style of grappling/submissions or actually watched fights that weren't point fights, but style vs style this should be obvious, so I'm assuming you haven't in either case.
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| watergem wrote: | | Good to see my self defense martial arts of kicking that bitch squ-arr in the nutsack has sparked conversation But seriously, use it, i meen what syco said it not being cool, well getting mugged in a street isnt cool either so it makes them the bigger pussy cos they got a knife when you dont, never underestimate the power of the ballbag bash |
mugged is one thing...bar fight or something, is another |
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well if someone threatens me with a knife there s no technique i d say "no" to.
kick his balls, kneel his balls, torch his ass, whatever.
but if its a dude that talks crap about me in some club and then we go outside while everyone s watching, thats different, this is about getting humiliated.
normally, the loser is the one who suffers humiliation but if you use dirty tactics in front of a big crowd, even if you actually win, you lose.
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| Posted: Mon, 12th Dec 2005 03:20 Post subject: |
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| ksponge wrote: | | Quote: | | I've seen it plenty, a straight knee to the face and most people are going to hit the floor hard, and if they're not knocked out, they're so disorientated that the fight is essentially over. |
Noone is going to be throwing a knee to the face when you start off with a side kick to the knee of the opponent and drop inside and immediately take away their power arm. Or start off with a 1 2 combo to raise their hands and go for a single or double leg take down. I'd direct you to take a look at any of the Gracie versus (insert style here) to see what actually happens in these situations. Straight up striking does not work versus a grappler. If you have trained in any style of grappling/submissions or actually watched fights that weren't point fights, but style vs style this should be obvious, so I'm assuming you haven't in either case. |
I have watched fights where it's style vs style, and the grappler leant in for a tackle and the other guy kneed him in the face, fight over. Just one example.
You act as if grappling is the ultimate style, with no counter. Which it of course is not.
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