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 Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005 13:03 Post subject: Clone rels, cracked rels. |
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Is a cracked rel basicly the same as the alcoholclone rel with crack applied? Is it possible to mount and play a cracked rel without actually applying the crack, only using antiblaxx or similar methods?
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005 13:58 Post subject: |
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yes they normaly just included a crack folder on the cd/dvd
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Jenni
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005 14:11 Post subject: |
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Sometimes yes, sometimes no. A few cracks have a hell of a lot of .dll's too.
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deptalon
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005 14:25 Post subject: |
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hmm you guys surely dont understand the basics of cloning then.
its not the same cracked is iso without the protection but just crack included on the disk in a dir
cloned is a none modified version thus including the protection.
so to answer your questions :
Is a cracked rel basicly the same as the alcoholclone rel with crack applied?
No they are not cracking groups make the files iso which can not having modifying info about the cd/dvd like mds/mdf and bwt bwi can.
Is it possible to mount and play a cracked rel without actually applying the crack, only using antiblaxx or similar methods?
No you can't the iso has no protection info included thus will not run.
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| Posted: Mon, 7th Nov 2005 14:30 Post subject: |
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A cracked release usually comes in bin/cue format or iso (for DVD releases) which are repacked images of the original disc(s), including crack and sometimes other files. So except if the game has no protection there will be troubles as you lose the entire media protection structure (what the game actually checks when you launch the executable), and this kind of release can't work without a crack.
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| Posted: Thu, 10th Nov 2005 21:27 Post subject: |
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so, if you have a cracked release and a patch for the game comes out, you're fucked and cant apply the patch to the cracked release and must wait for a cracked patch to come out (if ever), but with clones, you can download the patch from the developer's site and apply it with no probs right??
or with a cracked release, can you remove the cracked folder from the CD, with a tool such as Magic ISO which allows you to change the contents of a .bin file etc, so that the newly saved .bin file will contain the same contents as the original CD (i.e. the cracked folder will be removed) and then you could mount the .bin and apply the official patch successfully??
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005 04:34 Post subject: |
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Yes the crack is only good for the game it comes with - a new patch will invalidate your crack.
With clones you are supposed to be able to apply new patches as they come out - but there is no guarantee your cloned disk will be valid, as future patches can also include newer versions of the copy protection - so invalidating your game.
Removing the cracked folder from a BIN & then applying new patches won't work as the BIN image doesn't contain the original copy protection - new patches won't work as a result
Basically clones are a quick fix till the proper crack comes out - the industry is penalising legitimate customers who wish to backup their original CD/DVD & play off either a clone or use a crack, in order to safeguard their disks from possible damage.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005 10:05 Post subject: |
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| TheBugulous wrote: | Yes the crack is only good for the game it comes with - a new patch will invalidate your crack.
With clones you are supposed to be able to apply new patches as they come out - but there is no guarantee your cloned disk will be valid, as future patches can also include newer versions of the copy protection - so invalidating your game.
Removing the cracked folder from a BIN & then applying new patches won't work as the BIN image doesn't contain the original copy protection - new patches won't work as a result
Basically clones are a quick fix till the proper crack comes out - the industry is penalising legitimate customers who wish to backup their original CD/DVD & play off either a clone or use a crack, in order to safeguard their disks from possible damage. |
most of the time, the cracked versions contain a Cracked folder on the cd...the files within the Cracked folder have the protection removed...however, the .bin image still contains the copy protection doesnt it?? When the files in the Cracked folder are copied to the install directory, that is when the protection is removed right? So technically, a cracked bin would be the same as the clone bin if the Cracked folder was removed wouldnt it?
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005 10:45 Post subject: |
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I think we've already replied in detail to all these questions. As soon as you don't use the right copy program to backup the original image, the copyprotection structure is lost. Bin/cues and iso don't contain protection infos as they weren't designed for that. And of course if you had a mdf/mds image and add a crack folder to it, don't even expect the game to work afterwards as the exe won't find the data that it's expecting at a certain location.
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005 19:25 Post subject: |
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| DaDiablo wrote: | | I think we've already replied in detail to all these questions. As soon as you don't use the right copy program to backup the original image, the copyprotection structure is lost. Bin/cues and iso don't contain protection infos as they weren't designed for that. And of course if you had a mdf/mds image and add a crack folder to it, don't even expect the game to work afterwards as the exe won't find the data that it's expecting at a certain location. |
so going by what you are saying, even the "clone" releases we see now do not maintain the copy protection structure since some of these clone release are in bin/cue or iso format??
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Nov 2005 22:02 Post subject: |
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Sometimes a multiple CDs clone release includes one or more bin/cue format discs, it's because these particular discs are not protected (they don't contain unreadable sectors or things like that and can be copied by any standard program). But there's always one or more mdf/mds (or bwt, etc...) disc(s) included in a clone release, as this particular one will be checked by the game; in conclusion there is no bin/cue nor iso exclusive clone release.
To TheBugulous: If the third-party software just unblacklists virtual drives that doesn't mean the clone image isn't perfect, just that this way of mounting your image is detected by the anticopy program. On the contrary, emulation features may help preventing an "incomplete" image to function.
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Nov 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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well from this thread, what I can tell is that i should be getting clone releases always because with cracked releases, you have to wait for the groups to cracked patches for the games, and lately, not too many cracked patches have been released. Therefore, IMO, clones are better than cracked releases b/c with clones u can apply official patches...before i would have argued that cracked releases are better, but that was back when the game patches were actually cracked by groups...very few cracked patches nowadays
edit: although, how about tools like dt4 when it comes, with dt4 will you be able to apply official patches to cracked releases since dt4 will get rid of the copy protection/??
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