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 Posted: Sat, 4th Jan 2025 20:26 Post subject: Who are the real predators? |
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https://www.whoismakingnews.com/
hint: Its not the drag queens.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 07:15 Post subject: |
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Why the fuck are you being disingenuous and acting like these numbers are equivalent? Or do you actually believe that there are as many trans people or drag queens as there are religious employees? Cause there's probably 1000 or more religious employees for every drag queen or trans person.
I'm not arguing whether one group or another is doing more (by the way, you're also pretending like nobody has been shitting on and criticizing the catholic church for this for decades). But this type of statistical manipulation, where you just bring up numbers without actual context and pretending like it proves some point helps nobody.
Same with the detailed lists. Oh no... family members are more likely to fucking be molesting kids... who'd have thought that the people you are more likely to encounter/are around the most will have higher numbers?
Almost like if there were fucking drag queens everywhere they'd be at the top of the list... cause that's how this shit works. Unless you think Drag queens are some angelic beings that are incapable of being pieces of shit, just by virtue of them being drag queens.
This is the same type of argument those mindless women on ticktock with the bear vs man used. Well, there's not as many bear attacks or fatalities as from men. Yeah, no shit. Live in a city filled with bears, and see how fucking well those statistics hold.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 08:26 Post subject: |
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@Kezmark Anyway you look at it. You don’t think religious employees making up over 12% is significant? They are less than 1% of the adult population yet account for more than 12% of the crimes?
And there are more than double the number of transgender people than there are religious employees in the US, if you care to look up the numbers. Of course there are far less drag queens, but if you dare to remember the fuss the rightwing media made about predator drags its a fucking joke.
Also look at political affiliation. Not significant to you? Alrighty then. But don’t tell me I’m being disingenuous.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 08:31 Post subject: |
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Its a jab at all the fuss the rightwing media makes about dragqueens being predators.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 08:39 Post subject: |
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Drag queens are people like everyone else and likely have their share of predators like every other group on the planet.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 08:45 Post subject: |
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | Drag queens are people like everyone else and likely have their share of predators like every other group on the planet. |
They certainly do.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 08:57 Post subject: |
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Both groups are pretty cringey, I can't figure out why anyone on either side feels the need to defend them
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 09:13 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | @Kezmark Anyway you look at it. You don’t think religious employees making up over 12% is significant? They are less than 1% of the adult population yet account for more than 12% of the crimes?
And there are more than double the number of transgender people than there are religious employees in the US, if you care to look up the numbers. Of course there are far less drag queens, but if you dare to remember the fuss the rightwing media made about predator drags its a fucking joke.
Also look at political affiliation. Not significant to you? Alrighty then. But don’t tell me I’m being disingenuous. |
Yeah, nah. There's nowhere near that many transgender people in the US. Even going with the lower number of 0.5% I'm going to say it isn't true. There's no way that 1 in 200 people, let alone 1 in 100 people is transgender. I'm sorry, but someone saying they are on a survey doesn't count.
Give me actual numbers of people who have undergone hormone therapy at the very least, and then we'll talk about actual numbers. Outside of that, I don't give a shit that someone wants to feel special and use certain pronouns.
Maybe there's a 0.5% transgender population in LA and SF, but most definitely that isn't a reflection on the whole of the US.
Also, again, based on the numbers in your own link, the percentage is 7.7% as religious workers, but hey I'll just assume your math or hers is shit and not that you're lying.
But let me go in to this bias data. She makes nice spread sheets showing... ooo republican are 60% of the politicians that got caught. I mean the number is very small anyway, but what I find weird, is how in a 2 party country, somehow there's unknown affiliation and libertarian affiliation as politician.... what? How can you not know? If they are indeed active politicians, then their affiliations should be easily discernible.
Further down, in a list that she says its based on cases from 23-24 ... for a bunch of the clergy, she links the source in her own excel document ... a fucking list, last updated in 2018. How is that relevant? How much else is wrong? Cause I don't have the time or patience to go through 10000+ links.
How do you identify a drag queen or transgender individual in a case like this? Unless they tell you, or they have legally transitioned and someone looks in to it, how would you know? Do you understand how ridiculous this list is? Occupation or family relation is simple public record, there's no dispute on that, it's just fact, and this lady is struggling to push cases from other years to inflate numbers for certain occupations, despite it being unnecessary.
How does she deal with her own status category? Well she doesn't, be it aquited, pre-trial, "credible accusation", it counts the same. This takes fucking minutes to break that list apart. And that's not even going in to, well ... how many articles did she fucking ignore? Since already we see shit that doesn't belong and obfuscated affiliations.
Also another bit of bullshit she has, is that in her graphs, she has the big number she puts up high at the start as religious employees, under the religious ... not religious employees, and her percentage is wrong again, I'm guessing that is where you took it from. On her category graph she has 256 church employees, which is 2.35 percent, which would make it tiny (now she says it is 3.8%, but we already know she's either agenda driven or can't do math).
So I'm sorry, but this whole fucking study is at best full of errors and poorly sourced, and at worse it is very agenda driven.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 09:49 Post subject: |
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You don't get to define what trans people are. https://www.apa.org/topics/lgbtq/transgender-people-gender-identity-gender-expression
Not that I personally care. The point of me posting this wasn't about trans people.
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Also, again, based on the numbers in your own link, the percentage is 7.7% as religious workers, but hey I'll just assume your math or hers is shit and not that you're lying.
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I wasn't lying, I was looking at the data wrong. Its indeed 7.7%. Still a very large number.
I am a teacher myself and I have no problem admitting that my job is notorious for attracting predators, heck, I even know at least two guys I worked with who lost their jobs because they were a little too touchy. And fucking rightly so. I'm also not denying reality.
However good or bad, you can look up every case in the excel sheet.
And the point is this: The right-wing media has been for years, repeating non-stop how drag queens are predators. When in reality sexual predators stem mostly from other societal groups like religious employees, teachers, coaches, cops etc. And we all know this to be true. Even without the study. And even if the study isn't foolproof.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 10:01 Post subject: |
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I don't even know if that's true. It's just more likely to happen since they have more trust and are more likely to be around children. I don't really think shit like this has anything to do with your sex, sexuality or profession. Something is either fucked with your brain or not.
The thing about the percentages is that she took out the unlisted professions, which again she did it to push an agenda. I mean fuck, 1 priest is too much, since this shouldn't happen with people that portray themselves as holy. But you know, she just wanted bigger numbers, so she just pretended as if the 40+% unlisted would have the same percentages. Which you know... anyone that thinks for a bit realizes it is bs. Any teacher, daycare/babysitter, cop, priest would have their professions named in a case, whilst someone being a grocer would be irrelevant, so more then likely, the majority of the unlisted aren't in any of those professions, so yeah... she just wanted inflated numbers. And that is the problem with people having an agenda. They will end up causing more harm, since they try to manipulate data to prove a point and will make people a lot more skeptical and actually more aggressive towards the people you're trying to protect.
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couleur
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 10:15 Post subject: |
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| Kezmark wrote: | I don't even know if that's true. It's just more likely to happen since they have more trust and are more likely to be around children. I don't really think shit like this has anything to do with your sex, sexuality or profession. Something is either fucked with your brain or not.
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That may be the case. But it also may be the case that people who have issues naturally gravitate to positions of authority over kids and/or other people.
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The thing about the percentages is that she took out the unlisted professions, which again she did it to push an agenda. I mean fuck, 1 priest is too much, since this shouldn't happen with people that portray themselves as holy. But you know, she just wanted bigger numbers, so she just pretended as if the 40+% unlisted would have the same percentages. Which you know... anyone that thinks for a bit realizes it is bs. Any teacher, daycare/babysitter, cop, priest would have their professions named in a case, whilst someone being a grocer would be irrelevant, so more then likely, the majority of the unlisted aren't in any of those professions, so yeah... she just wanted inflated numbers. And that is the problem with people having an agenda. They will end up causing more harm, since they try to manipulate data to prove a point and will make people a lot more skeptical and actually more aggressive towards the people you're trying to protect. |
Yes I agree with your assessment, but two things:
1. The non-inflated numbers are one click away in her own graph. And the point still stands even without the 40%.
2. The trans and drag numbers get inflated too, and that makes her whole point in comparisons with these other groups.
In conclusion: However you look at it. At the end of the day, equaling trans or drag-queens to child sex abusers is and was always BS, but it was done and is being done anyway.
And that point is being made pretty successfully, all things considered.
edit: Removed some canned meat.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 10:35 Post subject: |
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You are mean!
The question: "Who are the real predators?"
Answer: Israel
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 11:19 Post subject: |
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| Kezmark wrote: | Why the fuck are you being disingenuous and acting like these numbers are equivalent? Or do you actually believe that there are as many trans people or drag queens as there are religious employees? Cause there's probably 1000 or more religious employees for every drag queen or trans person.
I'm not arguing whether one group or another is doing more (by the way, you're also pretending like nobody has been shitting on and criticizing the catholic church for this for decades). But this type of statistical manipulation, where you just bring up numbers without actual context and pretending like it proves some point helps nobody.
Same with the detailed lists. Oh no... family members are more likely to fucking be molesting kids... who'd have thought that the people you are more likely to encounter/are around the most will have higher numbers?
Almost like if there were fucking drag queens everywhere they'd be at the top of the list... cause that's how this shit works. Unless you think Drag queens are some angelic beings that are incapable of being pieces of shit, just by virtue of them being drag queens.
This is the same type of argument those mindless women on ticktock with the bear vs man used. Well, there's not as many bear attacks or fatalities as from men. Yeah, no shit. Live in a city filled with bears, and see how fucking well those statistics hold. |
I don't really get your "rage" against data that is verifiable and "source-checkable". You can weigh the numbers any way you want as long as you use data of high reliability to present a ratio/percentage of different groups.
So yeah, I don't get why you're upset. Those are absolute numbers that doesn't take into account how many people are in each group, only the overall impact each group has. Maybe she cherry picked which groups to list for some reason (although I didn't really get that) but there are plenty of data for you to check out if you want other selections.
BUT!!!!
It is a US site and these days everything in USA seems to have an agenda no matter what political/ideological position we're talking about. I tend to forget to take studies like this, if they're made in the US, with a big pinch of salt.
In the end we have to look at it like this:
Some people will, regardless of their political/ideological/religious/sociological/economical views, become pedophiles, a severe mental illness.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 12:58 Post subject: |
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I mean, I already pointed out several inconsistencies, bad faith equivalences, and outright cheats with statistics being included from years outside of the mentioned period for certain groups. Most of her sources are just articles on various sites. There's a variety of stages, from accusations to jailed to aquitted, all treated the exact same way. She just bundled a bunch of shit, who knows how she picked them and it's sloppy and done in bad faith. Yeah, you can look in to it and see how much is bs, but let's be honest ... how many people do?
There are other articles that I've since looked at that are from years different then the period she mentions. Some other are articles I find weird as they just so happen to be published in february 2023, right after the "random" start date for her database, despite the guy being charged in april of 2022. There are cases where, there's some random article on an accusation for something that happened in the 70s. I don't know, I find shit like this irresponsible.
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I'm not invested enough to double check the statistical data on that site. That means I'm not in a position to say you're wrong. I'll leave it at that.
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| Posted: Sun, 5th Jan 2025 16:45 Post subject: |
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What causes this stubborn brain rot when it comes to trans? Media brainwashing? Obviously cities will have higher concentrations of trans compared to the countrysides where it will be frowned upon
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| Stormwolf wrote: | | What causes this stubborn brain rot when it comes to trans? Media brainwashing? Obviously cities will have higher concentrations of trans compared to the countrysides where it will be frowned upon |
What does this have to do with anything in any of the posts of the thread?
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| Posted: Mon, 6th Jan 2025 13:39 Post subject: |
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It's humans
But we'll forever fall for the "It's only a certain group" meme
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