Looking for more down to earth options for a new GPU, since the prices have dropped, i want to go for a 3060ti, which brand is more recommendable? I don't plan on OCing at all.
Looking for more down to earth options for a new GPU, since the prices have dropped, i want to go for a 3060ti, which brand is more recommendable? I don't plan on OCing at all.
3060 Ti’s price hasnt moved for months. If I were you, I would buy second hand which is still under warranty. Paying 500-600€ for a 3060 Ti at this stage is quite a rip off.
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Right? To be fair, I don't think 60% of people even need that.
I'd say for every gamer I know that plays things that challenge mid-upper tier video cards there is 5 either I know, or they know that a 1060 is overkill for. They play fortnight, and LoL, and games like that.
If all the games you play can run on a steam deck, you dont need anything over $200 for videocard.
Good example is I play decently graphically intensive games with my friends, sons, and his friends sometimes. And a few of them are on hand me down cards that went me-> my son -> them. And they play them just fine with 3rd stage hand me downs
Sure they cannot go ultra beast mode on graphics settings. But run them just fine on 'normal' settings.
Even the friend that has the ooooold 970 that is now like on its 4th person, can play most of what we do, other than MSFS, and ARK with higher settings, turns them down and it plays fine (not that its a new game..just hard to run well)
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I have had zero issues with AMD drives since I switched back on my 1080ti, nor anyone I know with an AMD card. What you on about storm? And who buys a $1000 videocard for emulators?
Not an AMD fanboy. Ill buy whatever is best price to pref ratio. But come on that's scraping the barrel for reasons to shit on it: Benchmarks in one specific compute framework that is not used for gaming made to work better on NV cuda cores on a card not released yet nor any reviewer samples, against a released card.
It even says, in that article:
Quote:
Do note that OpenCL performance isn't indicative of gaming performance. Take the results with a pinch of salt.
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Ok let me rephrase it:
Claiming overly buggy drivers (as in persistent common ones) is a stretch.
When I (subjective yes, but broad spanning over a larger than average data pool than most people) my friends, and my friend that owns a PC shop that builds PCs day in an day out with both has has no more or less issues with AMD than Nvidia cards or drivers in years.
And what does me owning and AMD now have to do with copium? I also happen to own a mazda 3 simply because it was what was on the used car lot and a decent value. I have no preference for mazda simply because I own one.
I have zero loyalty or preference to either. My last cards was from current back: AMD 6800xt, NV 2080ti, NV 1080ti, NV 1080, AMD 570, NV 970, NV 780 Ti, AMD HD 7800.
If you want to be dismissing of what I say, at least use the right reason. lying to myself out of tribal loyalty to some particular color of the plastic wrapped around some circuits on a board isnt one I do If someone had a 4080/4090 for $1000 Id be installing it right now in my machine.
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Ok let me rephrase it:
Claiming overly buggy drivers (as in persistent common ones) is a stretch.
When I (subjective yes, but broad spanning over a larger than average data pool than most people) my friends, and my friend that owns a PC shop that builds PCs day in an day out with both has has no more or less issues with AMD than Nvidia cards or drivers in years.
And what does me owning and AMD now have to do with copium?
I have zero loyalty or preference to either. My last cards was from current back: AMD 6800xt, NV 2080ti, NV 1080ti, NV 1080, AMD 570, NV 970, NV 780 Ti, AMD HD 7800.
You have zero loyalty just as much as you've very unwoke and very neutral. Seems to be your go-to style when you want to "win" a potential discussion. Claim neutrality and a superior objective view to win discussions.
I've owned AMD in the past too, but that doens't meant anything. Can you not be "loyal" to something if you owned the competitor 15 years ago? obviously you can. I wouldn't say i'm loyal to anything either, but right now and has been for a while, AMD is pretty crap. Disagree if you want, but be mature about it.
Anyway, don't speak for your friends. You can only speak for yourself. You said "zero" issues and that is bullshit and you know it. AMD has had plenty driver issues. Maybe you've played games where this hasn't been a problem, that can be. But to spark a discussion where you claim AMD has "zero" issues, that's kinda bull, don't you think?
I'm not woke, just as I am not anti woke. I do not, nor have ever actively advocated or promoted it. Nor spoke of, talked about, or posted for or against it anywhere but here. I am zero percent involved in any social or public activity for or against it.
You CAN be neither of something. Both sides have idiots (most of the ones circling around that debate are actually).
And either way, a bit red herring to tie if I was or was not woke into if I have a tendency to tribally rattle sabers. You are just tying two unrelated negatives you think I have into a knot to connect the premise of delusionary self denial of one, means I might the other.
And yes, all the things you list doesn't mean you cannot be loyal. But it doesn't mean you must be either. I can say with all honestly I have zero feelings for if AMD or Nvidia is the top dog, who is best, or who I buy from. It's literally a 50/50 each gen until cards release. I dont carry any bias of which gets my money upgrade time.
And I wasnt being mature? Disagreeing isnt being less mature...
Wait, me saying I know of or ran into zero issues or anyone I know, is bullshit? I am being 100% honest. I have had no issues at all with any video card of any brand since that weird ass 9800x2 'SLI in one card" Frankenstein NV made. And that was specific to that card not the brand itself.
OK I admit zero issues overall is bullshit (no hardware/software is bug free to 100% of all users), for either brand. But saying overwhelmingly AMD has more is also. Its within margin of error across both, and where those issues lie.
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id rather play on a intel igpu hd4000 , then do any effort whatsoever to get a card over four digits , yet the world full of suckers it seems and the scalpers know it
@DXwarlock, pretty much same here. I think I've had about a 50/50 spit of NV/Amd cards over the years. Never had a problem with either vendor, I tend to think "MeH DrIVers comments are from pppl that can't use computers". Even running cards on Linux with opensource community made drivers they generally work.
..I hear reports blah blah - doesn't really add anything, post the confirmed bug reports else it's just fanboyism.
I just got my little RTX 4080 FE 2 days ago and I am wondering what sort of sorcery DLSS3 and frame generation actually are !
At first I was like yeh yeh DLSS 3 thingy blahblahbalhahhahahaah
But if the first day was a little pain to get all running perfectly as I experienced some weird performance results, from 32 to 45 fps with 35 or even like 160ms frame time, G-Sync not kicking in so mad tearing issues, etc.
Today, (maybe some reboots helped I don't know) holly cow !
4K gaming isn't an issue anymore, I tested MSFS 2020, RDR 2, Cyberpunk and such, all games runs flawlessly.
DLSS3 Quality with Frame generation gives me 58 fps (locked via Nv Profile Inspector to keep G-Sync on) with around 40-60% GPU usage even my CPU runs 10 C° lower now and all my system is quiet like a cemetery.
And this only at the cost of doubled frame time latency (from 15-20ms to 35-45ms)
Even in liners (A32NX) in MSFS I stay above 40 fps with an incredible smoothness.
These 40x0 card might be way too expensive but hell, it was a long time I wasn't disappointed by new hardware like this.
While talking about memory MSFS is eating almost all my 16GB of VRAM with DLSS3 Quality and around 12GB on Performance mode.
So 24 GB won't be overkill for too long in my opinion.
Oh and the fun part, with DLSS3 on, AIDA64 is reporting around 150W from the GPU while gaming as my GPU is only "half used"
So what I wanted to say here, is IF the next 4060 and 4070 incoming cards will benefit from DLSS3 and frame generation I think they will bring an incredible value next year.
Maybe not for 4K gaming (because lack of VRAM) but for 1440p and below : ROCK ON !
Time to say good bye to my shitty 10GB 3080
Bonus : Packaging of NVidia FE cards are gold
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I just got my little RTX 4080 FE 2 days ago and I am wondering what sort of sorcery DLSS3 and frame generation actually are !
At first I was like yeh yeh DLSS 3 thingy blahblahbalhahhahahaah
But if the first day was a little pain to get all running perfectly as I experienced some weird performance results, from 32 to 45 fps with 35 or even like 160ms frame time, G-Sync not kicking in so mad tearing issues, etc.
Today, (maybe some reboots helped I don't know) holly cow !
4K gaming isn't an issue anymore, I tested MSFS 2020, RDR 2, Cyberpunk and such, all games runs flawlessly.
DLSS3 Quality with Frame generation gives me 58 fps (locked via Nv Profile Inspector to keep G-Sync on) with around 40-60% GPU usage even my CPU runs 10 C° lower now and all my system is quiet like a cemetery.
And this only at the cost of doubled frame time latency (from 15-20ms to 35-45ms)
Even in liners (A32NX) in MSFS I stay above 40 fps with an incredible smoothness.
These 40x0 card might be way too expensive but hell, it was a long time I wasn't disappointed by new hardware like this.
While talking about memory MSFS is eating almost all my 16GB of VRAM with DLSS3 Quality and around 12GB on Performance mode.
So 24 GB won't be overkill for too long in my opinion.
Oh and the fun part, with DLSS3 on, AIDA64 is reporting around 150W from the GPU while gaming as my GPU is only "half used"
So what I wanted to say here, is IF the next 4060 and 4070 incoming cards will benefit from DLSS3 and frame generation I think they will bring an incredible value next year.
Maybe not for 4K gaming (because lack of VRAM) but for 1440p and below : ROCK ON !
Time to say good bye to my shitty 10GB 3080
Bonus : Packaging of NVidia FE cards are gold
DLSS3 locks your framerate to refreshrate-4 (or so) automatically now
they changed something in the pipeline that you wouldn't have to lock to 58fps anymore anyway, but to 116 in that case
used to be 58fps when DLSS3 launched, then they released their "DLSS3 vsync fix driver" and it changed to the framerate lock working on the DLSS3 output rather than the original frame output
guess they switched the order somehow in the driver (which is probably why vsync'd DLSS3 is now possible at all without huge latency penalties)
I only noticed because I still had an older build of Spider-Man that wouldn't automatically lock to 116fps with reflex/dlss3 enabled, so I did it via control panel
but the previous method of locking to 58fps would lock it to a hard 58fps even with DLSS3, so I tried 116fps and it worked
either way, you can go back to globally locking FPS to 116fps in your control panel (though I would explicitly disable it in the game profiles for DLSS3 games to avoid any issues)
DLSS3 is magic just like DLSS2 tho, IF the native framerate is smooth and you don't get frametime issues like in Witcher 3 which ruins DLSS3 for me, though its not worlds better without DLSS3
Btw. I'm surprised you get down to 40fps in MSFS?! With DLSS3?
Can't be!
Edit: I think I got confused there with the 58fps statement, you're probably just on a 4k60hz screen right? Oops.
btw. I never drop below 90-100fps at 4k in MSFS2020
- 3GHz GPU clock drops VRAM clock sometimes more than by half
- Sometimes Core clock and VRAM clock stay at the maximum though the FPS drops by a lot
- Random stuttering
- Very strange behaviour during overclocking when you can hit certain clock though the card performs in a very random way. Some reviews have over 4000 points difference in 3D Mark. 4000 is quite a lot for the 'same' card.
etc etc
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He is also wrong you cannot tune core and vram at the same time. You totally can, and have been able to for a long time. Its the slider under GPU tuning. called VRAM tuning:
I have NO idea how he says you cannot or missed it. Its right there.
Spoiler:
And he rants about the auto overclock doing things...automatically, and doesn't even show the button/menu that lets you do manual, other than to show power consumption. The one on the OTHER side of 'automatic tuning' labeled 'custom' where you can do custom manual...overclock?
(This is why he doesn't see VRAM tuning, he stays in the auto 'do everything by yourself, then I will complain I dont have control' tab.)
Spoiler:
Now I am not saying his results are flawed, or he is wrong in that the release drivers are wonky (name one AMD or Nvidia one that hasn't had their share initial release with a new gen).
But his total lack of understanding how to overclock it, and 75% of his rants are him just not knowing how to use the GUI. And takes 5 minutes to figure it out just poking around.
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@Amadeus Hey thanks for all these precisions
And yes I am on an old Predator 4k 32" 60hz, so am I good with a 58fps lock right ?
As for the 40'tish fps in MSFS it is with liners like the Flybywire A320, A310 and such at busy and huge airports but still it feels smooth so not an issue.
I guess an upgrade to a 5800x 3D cpu could help here.
I am still confused by this 4080 RTX, I feel myself robbed and satisfied at the same time LMAO.
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Managed to grab one at restock at 10am on AMD site itself, by the time I ordered and refreshed to see stock..was sold out.
(Order total is so much higher than $999 because I did one day shipping).
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@Yuri
Because I do a LOT of graphic intense VR gaming on a vive pro 2 like asetta corsa, automobilista 2, MSFS, etc. and I want 120 fps in VR (or as close as I can get), and sometime this year plan on getting two super ultrawides [5120×1440] along with a 3440x1440 in the middle, and when not in VR I want a card that will push 13,680x1400 at 100 fps for racing
And reason no nvidia, is nvidia doesn't do 3 screen of different resolution as a full single res gaming option, they have to be all the same. I have no care for RTX, and DLSS is useless for 1/2 my games and in VR. That and I refuse to spend $2000 for the 4090 [1600-1700 for the card, plus tax, plus shipping].
If your on one monitor, and no higher end VR. I 100% agree no need for a new card this gen.
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If someone had a 4080/4090 for $1000 Id be installing it right now in my machine.
- doesn't really add anything, post the confirmed bug reports else it's just fanboyism.
