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| vurt wrote: | I'm glad i've never had to deal with that in my life, apart from when they come to the door (they're always super nice though and leave quickly lol).
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The ones around here, for Baptist faith anyway that do door to do, skip our house anymore.
I don't go around debating people about their faith unprompted. But if you bring it up first and try to convince me of it, lets have that talk 
My main thing I ask them when they ask me if I have been saved, I tell them:
Yes, and baptised when I was younger. So Im done right?
Why do I still need to go. I got all the bases covered according to your rules of how to get in. I was saved, I was baptised.No one's ever mentioned being saved expires. That I need to renew it like a drivers license every few years. I completed the steps needed to get into heaven. I wouldn't get my college degree showing I graduated, and still go to class every week.
And it goes back and forth with them having no real answer than "we'd like you to come". Well that's great, but I dont think you control the red velvet rope of heaven VIPs so you wanting me to doesn't matter on if I get in.
I've never got a good answer on why you still need to go, much less one of why I need to go to theirs to get into their heaven. So they just dont knock anymore.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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deelix
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2024 17:27 Post subject: |
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The guy that drove me home was a hardcore gambler, lost 1.5mill NOK, just convert to USD. And thats how he found Jehova!
Under different circumstance id tell him to fuck off with his believes. The thing is that my father and brother, both more or less non religious live there where cheap. And it was kinda cool playing good old Black Ops 1 in split screen.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 2nd Jan 2024 17:44 Post subject: |
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With gambling, you end up begging for money to gamble some more.
I'm an alcoholic. Buttah I don't shoot brown stuff up my veins, or snort white powder.
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Hardcore religious people are fucking terrifying. Seriously, they can rationalize ANYTHING simply by turning to their religion - murder, rape, gambling away the family's nest-egg, drinking and beating their spouse - nothing is off the table.
Fun fact for those that may not have known - in the US the Mormons send pairs of young people door to door to try to convert outsiders. Except, the goal isn't really to convert anyone - it's to make those teams of people they send feel like the world is against them and the only place they belong is the church. Getting doors slammed in your face for months (or not opened at all) will do that. Basically, a final form of indoctrination to make sure they never try to leave the church - nobody else wants anything to do with them, after all.
The world would be a far better place if organized religion were outlawed - shame that's impossible.
As for me, I use it as a kind of litmus test. Upon meeting someone new I try to determine the answer to two simple questions: 1. Do they go to church on Sunday? 2. Do they prefer cats over dogs? If the answer to either of these two questions is yes - they aren't trustworthy and are kept several arm-lengths away if at all possible. 
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DXWarlock
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For me, at least my family and extended family. It's the flip flopping of blaming 'other things' when things go wrong contrasted with giving up rightfully due credit to god that infuriates me. The justification of one thing while also denying themselves credit they earned.
Example. My wife friend is super religious (after being a prime example of a "Girls Gone Wild" chick in her late teens early 20s).
She and her husband cheated on each other, blamed demons and temptation of evil for why they did. BUT also worked it out with lots of talking, effort and time. Yet go "God really blessed us and saved our marriage".
NO...you did, you saved it..for what its worth. Why give a sky man the credit and portray that without him it was doomed, only his divine intervention saved it?
Responsibility dodging at its finest: It's not our fault we cheated, evil power greater than us tempted us. Also not any of our credit we are still together. God fixed that.
Or the denial of credit to people that really deserve it. Aunt had cancer, bad. Got cured with 100's of hours of doctor effort, treatment, and such. And goes "God cured my cancer". What?? So god picked you, gave you cancer, made you suffer, then cured it? The doctors was just a side tangent of his miraculous powers he used?
(Also 1900 years of God/Jesus not giving a fuck about cancer remission, until the mid 20th century? I guess fuck everyone before 1960 god didn't care if you had cancer. its pure coincidence cancer treatment popped up around that time too)
And either way, if he gave it to you to cure you and you praise him. Isn't that like me stabbing someone 10 times then bandaging it so they dont bleed out, and them going "DX saved my life from bleeding out! He is all good and kind." "But...DX is the one that stabbed you". "Yes..DX works in mysterious ways"
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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Woke and Atheist are two different things.
Just because the venn diagram might overlap slightly for those that are woke and happen to be Atheist, they are totally different circles. Where conservative christian is two intrinsically linked circles unto themselves.
Saying "Woke Atheist" is like saying Vegan Motorcyclist. They are two things and not contradictory, and you can be both. But they are not related to each other.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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And going with both, Id pick the latter.
One will say NO porn, the other would say porn is fine, and transporn also exist. (but not force you to watch it).
I myself cannot think of anything I would want a conservative christian having control over in my life. As they think most the control in their lives isn't their own. And what is, they decide everyone should follow to
(or anyone militantly woke for that matter).
We got both here in the US clown pie fighting each other. Both as equally retarded in their demands of "Do/dont do..like me, and like it". Either wants retarded levels of "Our way, or you shall be shunned". Let neither of them decide what I am.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Woke and Atheist are two different things.
Saying "Woke Atheist" is like saying Vegan Motorcyclist. They are two things and not contradictory, and you can be both. But they are not related to each other. |
I disagree to the point that I think wokism is almost exlusively a subset of atheism, at least of its new incarnation called New Atheism that developed in noughties.
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No its not related to atheism in anyway. Nothing about atheism causes woke.
It's an emergent property that conservative christians usually are against gays, so won't find many that are pro-woke. While people that are woke AND (not because of) atheism are not dogmatically opposed to it. So anyone that is woke, is probably agnostics/atheist. But atheism itself is not the cause.
It's akin to saying you find fat people in the weight loss aisle of the store. So clearly stuff on that aisle makes them fat. Only people fat to start with will go to that aisle. But not all the fat people are on that aisle.
You have to be fat AND want to lose weight. Being fat itself doesn't mean you can be found shopping there. Claiming you see no skinny people on that aisle is a fallacy of "avoid that aisle and you will stay skinny" (Avoid being atheist and you won't go woke).
I'd say the majority of atheist here on the forum are not woke in anyway. A few mock it too.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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| DXWarlock wrote: |
Or the denial of credit to people that really deserve it. Aunt had cancer, bad. Got cured with 100's of hours of doctor effort, treatment, and such. And goes "God cured my cancer". What?? So god picked you, gave you cancer, made you suffer, then cured it? The doctors was just a side tangent of his miraculous powers he used?
(Also 1900 years of God/Jesus not giving a fuck about cancer remission, until the mid 20th century? I guess fuck everyone before 1960 god didn't care if you had cancer. its pure coincidence cancer treatment popped up around that time too)
And either way, if he gave it to you to cure you and you praise him. Isn't that like me stabbing someone 10 times then bandaging it so they dont bleed out, and them going "DX saved my life from bleeding out! He is all good and kind." "But...DX is the one that stabbed you". "Yes..DX works in mysterious ways" |
That one gets me angry as well. The team of doctors and nurses saved you, not a higher power. And if we're assigning shit to higher powers, well, you got that cancer in the first place because of the systemically worthless body your higher power "gifted" you with. Intelligent design my ass.
How anybody could witness the horrors of cancer firsthand and still have the gall to turn to "god" is just fucking beyond me.
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DXWarlock
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@Immunity
That urks me too. The Intelligent design thing.
It has so many quirks, issues, problems, useless parts, random body parts attacking itself, or breaking for no reason that if it was Intelligent design. Its pre-alpha prototype mark 1..and they just never took the project father.
Ask (most) anyone that has a medical degree [at least the ones I know] and they all say some sort of view of: Complicated design yes. Intelligent design..not so much. It is a fucked up mess of balancing act that barely keeps from throwing a piston out of the block and falling apart.
Edit had to ask him if he cared if I mentioned his rants first on discord: Ask my Friend syralint (a gastroenterologist) about it, he will go off for like 30 minutes of how bad, inefficient, complicated, and useless parts having the digestive system is, compared to what it could be if given 'unlimited godlike powers and intellect to make one'. He compares how bad it is at extracting energy and nutrients from the available quantity, as the equal of using 3 sticks of dynamite energy to boil water for a cup of tea.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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You are so much better. Your halo outshines you!
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@zenux
I honestly have no idea what you are talking about. The fact they had a founder, of it...is weird. There is no 'founder' of atheism.
It's like saying you are a member of a group founded by Bob that meets at conventions to talk about your lack of believing in unicorns. People that do that are crazy.
People that just dont believe in them on their own without being a member of a 'group of non-unicorn believers' is different.
I'm assuming you just watched crazy people that was woke, gather about wokeness and staple the idea of "Anti ALL THE THINGS" onto it to include anti dogmatic sentiments.
I'd wager anyone on youtube (or anywhere) you watched having movements and gatherings about atheism in any form of structure and hierarchy was some fringe crazies. Sounds like a 'Cult of the Anti-Cults'..to me.
Anyone that is actually atheist that would mock the idea of "Oh you dont do this thing, I dont either! Want to get all the people that don't adhere to gathering in the name of a dogmatic something to gather in the dogmatic name of something, to discuss not wanting to gather for a dogmatic thing?
It's sort of...the opposite of the whole ideal of atheism. That we need to gather and have conventions about how we all dont do something. Again is like saying I'm inviting everyone that doesn't collect stamps to a non-StampCon so we can compare all the stamps we dont have. And talk about how much time we spend not collecting stamps.
Ask any (not batshit crazy) atheist "Which chapter or branch of the atheist movement are you a member of" and you will get dumbfounded looks.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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@iconized I know you joined the site only in 2021, but for a mature fella it's gotta be enough to know that local video embedding doesn't respect time codes in an youtube address line.
@DXWarlock
New Atheism. I don't type too many words as you do. So people can read them more attentively. Apparently it doesn't help in your case. Either that or you are banned from every internet search engine.
As for atheists, especially american ones, not having any organization, why even bother telling you that you are uninformed, if it looks like you just enjoy seeing yourself type line after line of blissful ignorance. And when this ignorance is exposed you just squirt even more lines of pointless text in an infantile attempt to cover it.
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I have a banned alt: tsr69
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| iconized wrote: | | I have a banned alt: tsr69 |
proofs
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DXWarlock
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| zenux wrote: |
New Atheism. I don't type too many words as you do. So people can read them more attentively. Apparently it doesn't help in your case. Either that or you are banned from every internet search engine.
As for atheists, especially american ones, not having any organization, why even bother telling you that you are uninformed, if it looks like you just enjoy seeing yourself type line after line of blissful ignorance. And when this ignorance is exposed you just squirt even more lines of pointless text in an infantile attempt to cover it. |
wut?
You act like I dont know anyone outside america, All I do is talk ignorant shit, with ignorant americans, about ignorant american things. Can you at LEAST try to insult me without resorting to the down syndrome low fruit of "Oh an american, lets rebuttal everything with: You live here...case closed" come on. Pretend I am not from america and still said that...what would your counter argument be? And just use that.
I mean if we are going down the route of "Stereotypes of where you live" I dont think either of us wants that reciprocated...
And New Atheism? Sure. But meetings of thiers (well CoSM and SCfA are not conventions..not even close).
If you equate Dawkin, Hitchens, Harris and Dennett and such with the likes of the woke youtube drama club...not sure what to tell you. But that wasn't New Atheism. Even Dawkins shuns the "New Atheism" catchy name. Why I didn't mention it, that situation is a sand grain in the whole beach..at best.
If all you know about it is whatever rainbow hair shit you saw in 00's and 10's let's discuss that idea of barely knowing anything about it. Can we loop back to that? I got some comments
You are equating the random coat riders that rage on youtube with the actual concept of the ideal. And still not sure where you get Atheism = woke. Even the 'Four Horsemen' (most of which dislike being called that) of it, don't support it vocally.
- Dawkins says "'woke shares many similarities with a new religion".
- Hitchens discredited and warned of 'Beware of identity politics' all the time.
So dont know what you saw, or why it used that tagname. But it wasn't 'New Atheism', or any form of it related to the people tagged as "New Atheist" by others.
Not defending New Atheism, I can defend a thing I dont agree with if its wrongly accused. As I think it silly for people to unofficially recruit names and say its a thing.. Just pointing out the actual core group people label that, never was 'woke'. Most of them are vehemently anti identity politics.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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DXWarlock
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Shit now you are using the fringe, of the fringe, to attack a whole.
Can I point out "Jews for Jesus" as a things jewish people do have some people going on about among them. And call all jews idiots for supporting a man they dont believe in?
Atheism+ and it's demand for forced made up fights for cultural egalitarianism, has nothing to do with Atheism. Just like a lot of fringe shit that has nothing to do with what it calls itself. (Jews for jesus..is not a jewish based consensus)
Are broad generalization from a few fringe, how we define the whole of something now? If so I got a LOT to say about a lot of people, based on a few I heard about the same 'thing' as them. (Shit we got something in common then...)
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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(the covid thread). But double standards aside, I watched closely this "New Atheism" trend on newly appeared youtube site, and by the end of the "00" and first half of "10" their conventions were overwhelmed with magenta haired fat females and other weirdoes that would later be described as woke. Slowly but surely they ousted the founders of the movement. I really don't think it was just a coincidence. They appropriated the preexisting new atheism platform not by accident, but because they felt it was part of them, not the main one as we all discovered later on, but still the part, part that birthed them.
