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deelix
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Il_Padrino
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I definitely have it, to a degree.
Not having children is probably also a factor. No real need to fully grow up, if you enjoy life as is while still managing to take care of yourself (and optionally your wife/gf).
Perhaps there are also outside elements, like gamification and things like that.
There must have been a door there in the wall, when I came in.
Truly gone fishing.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2023 13:22 Post subject: |
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It's natural to have if you don't really *need* to grow up, when everything is just safe and uncomplicated. Having the ultimate environment for indolence.
The same thing happens with pets, they never grow up, and it's because of the same thing.
For humans its getting more and more common i think, of course, it depends almost entirely on where you reside, if you live in poverty, experience war and extreme stress etc, then you'll quickly grow up.
We will have it to a much greater degree than our parents, and if we have kids they will have it to a greater degree than even us, i think. This is also because it's getting more normalized, a kid of today will not see it as especially peculiar that their father plays computer games, for me to see my father play games, lol, nope...
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2023 15:04 Post subject: |
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Wait till AI does everything for us, it is going to be glorious.
A safe and uncomplicated environment is worth striving for.
The luddites can go into the woods and build their own backwards society there - after all struggles make real men out of boys and toiling in the fields doing repetitive work gives the life meaning. (it's all bullshit)
Of course there is a real danger that we eventually become incompetent babies, like domesticated sheep. It might even happen to the majority of people!
One has got to withstand the temptation - it is actually possible to lead a hedonistic and safe lifestyle and at the same time stay independent, active and intellectually curious.
When there is an overabundance of food, many will get fat and immobile. But many also won't.
Or just look at heirs of rich families right now - there are those that become indolent and self-centered junkies and those that manage to use their resources and still live life to the fullest.
The same is going to happen at a larger scale if cornucopian tech progresses far enough.
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vurt
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2023 15:19 Post subject: |
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This generation of kids will be such total sheep. i'm listening to my brother's daughters and its quite terrifying, you can tell how brainwashed they are by the teachers, by current movies. Everything is sexism, racism and climate-change. for them i bet it's being anti-sheep, being quite the rebel, when in reality they're just made into propaganda tools.
when i was a kid (70-80's), if a teacher said something it didn't mean we believed it or didn't question it. Quite the opposite many times. If the government said something we were also suspicious. It wasn't about falling in line, thinking if you do you're being a "rebel" or you're "thinking for yourself."
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2023 15:58 Post subject: |
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A safe uncomplicated environment sounds nice on paper but it dulls some senses that could prove life saving in a challenge. And we all know how life looooves to pull the rug when you least expect it.
I have no children, and honestly have no desire to bring forth a blank soul into this trick of an existence. All our impulses drive us to bring more lamb for the slaughter for a reason not a single person knows.
I'm gonna have my playthrough then hopefully die before I'm a useless, confused old husk.
I'm 32yo, have my own house, car and gather enough peanuts to stay going. A child and a wife would bring complications and expenses and I'm really not about that life.
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HubU
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| Posted: Fri, 11th Aug 2023 23:07 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | A safe uncomplicated environment sounds nice on paper but it dulls some senses that could prove life saving in a challenge. And we all know how life looooves to pull the rug when you least expect it.
I have no children, and honestly have no desire to bring forth a blank soul into this trick of an existence. All our impulses drive us to bring more lamb for the slaughter for a reason not a single person knows.
I'm gonna have my playthrough then hopefully die before I'm a useless, confused old husk.
I'm 32yo, have my own house, car and gather enough peanuts to stay going. A child and a wife would bring complications and expenses and I'm really not about that life. |
A fucking men.
I run a tight, very successful ship.
It is my experience that any outside influence tends to fuck with that.
Fuck weak-ass people. They exist solely to be used.
"Music washes away from the soul the dust of everyday life." ~Berthold Auerbach
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tonizito
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Aug 2023 10:36 Post subject: |
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Same as the last two posts for me.
Plus, I'm already fucked up enough on my own, the thought of raising a kid and how they might turn up to be... brrr 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Aug 2023 12:04 Post subject: |
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I have two kids, one is 3 y old and one is 3 month old.
I have some anxiety for their future but seeing the little ones grow up is quite the marvel.
The most challenging part about parenting is grand-parents constantly buying shit they don’t need and get them “hooked” on always getting new stuff. So we try to enforce some “scarcity” on how many toys they have but it doesn’t work that well, they have tons. Still we don’t watch any TV/Screens with the kids until they reach a certain age and I feel like the 3 y old already developed good language skills for her age. Not sure both are related but oh well.
The gender stuff is a non issue. She’s definitely a girl and loves girl things.
As for the peter pan thing. You develop different roles in different contexts. You learn to be more grown up when it needs to be. But in my heart I like gaming and it will be a part of my life. Just alot less.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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HIz
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Aug 2023 12:50 Post subject: |
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I always wondered why people make kids .
Is it at some level selfish from them? ... like are they scared their lineage goes extinct , be the loser of the family , or they just don't care or go with the flow.. lets make babies , they'll figure it out.
Do they want a child (family) with a mind that my child will be a great and important person in this world , or they are gonna be a cashier at the supermarket ?(!)
Is it a stereotype that species on this planet have ?
Ive seen past few days news on surrogate mothers giving birth in an illegal business in greece for some small cash while the "business" owners made 100K+ for selling the babies to couples . 
I dont have kids , they are expensive, worrying ,they grow fast and leave, wasted money , wasted time and wasted braincells 
Now, would i have kids with a rich beautiful lady in a nice city with nice people that will let you grow your kid however you like, question mark , yes 
Im also peter pan
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couleur
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Aug 2023 13:13 Post subject: |
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It being selfish is not an argument since everything we do is selfish in some way.
I always knew I wanted kids. Some people don’t and thats ok.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Sat, 12th Aug 2023 18:08 Post subject: |
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I have three kids. I would have 6 if the day lasted 48 hours and I had enough energy to dedicate to each of them.
Seeing my eldest playing vidya games with the same passion and amazement I had as a kid brings me much joy.
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| Posted: Sun, 13th Aug 2023 02:23 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | I got zero problems with people having kids, I got a nephew he's really smart and was fluent in 3 languages when he was 7 years old. He's 11 now doing what nerd kids do, hooked on a computer just the same.
My problem is with people who cannot take care of a kid having kids. Man who can barely feed himself or relies on others to eat, goes on and somehow finds another female dummy and they have 5+ kids that'll grow up to be wonderful human beings with such upbringing.
Meanwhile a lot of those with the means and education to breed choose not to, either due to "selfishness" or knowing too much about the world that they'd rather not introduce it to their worst enemy 
Life is getting more and more expensive as the current phase of this experiment is showing its leaky holes. It's not that the earth doesn't have the resources to support a lot of us. It's the infrastructure and resources under management are really being stressed more and more every year. In the end there are only so many opportunities you can present out there regardless of someone's talents or abilities. And the current status quo where a handful of people own the earth, the sky and all that's in-between is not helping in the slightest.
So coming back to the peter pan thing, it's a matter of growing so old due to staring at the abyss your only saving grace for sanity is your inner childhood passions. |
This is pretty on point, one of my friends was this situation and its really all fallen apart for him. Another that grinds my gears is the educated and financially secure having kids but working 80+ hour weeks running a business and putting zero time into it. It's like children are a shopping list item they need to cross off but put zero commitment into.
Having children requires lifestyle and personal change, stop smashing the booze and partying, move out of the shoebox yuppy inner city place, the 80 hour week career is over for you, avoid unnecessary travel with minors, avoid the yuppy cafe/restaurant with screaming kids (you made your choices, cater to your family and friends at home FFS).
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