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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 06:12 Post subject: Trans and recent culture changes |
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Ok this is driving me nuts, because i cant understand if im surrounded by nutjobs on the "no trans" group and the nutjobs from "go trans" group.
I gotta be honest, this is all new to me, in DR we didnt have this exposure. Now in the US im seeing people advocating for kids to receive life altering treatments and surgery. Im seeing people on the torches against trans people having a life.
I wanna gauge this group as i know i wont get fucking pitchforked by talking
Heres my current dilema.... i dont care about adults doing whatever they want with their life/bodies. Go for it. Your name is Elena, used to be Jake, all right, gimme time to remember ill slip here and there.
Now... i find kids/teens taking life altering drugs and surgeries extremely concerning, i cant phantom how this is all right. I havent read anything around why its so supported due to lazyness but it seems so bizarre to remember my teens and thinking all the poor ignorant and out of whack decisions i made back then and how my train of thought was. Is everyone really on board with kids receiving these things? I feel im surrounded by people who absolutely support it at work and other groups.
Then the language thing, at work we are changing SO many words and texts to say super bizarre wording, its like we are doing an overwhelming effort to go out of the normal just to cover for others. Gender neutral, ok its not bad its just that it seems so unnecesary to me, im not included in normal phrasing? Its so bizarre to me. I really cant get it.
And this is where i really got confused.... children show that are saying "my male dad is now a woman" this/that, talking about gender as we have seen, that males can be females and females can be male. Is that right? Are we not mixing something too early on? Am i wrong thinking that male as in the biology of the body is still male, sperm, reproductive function etc etc? Female, menstrual cycle, pregnancy... arent those biological facts? I really dont know where this is going. I get people wanna identify to whatever they want but kids show are on it too, its getting really weird.
Now some countries allowing sex change on the birth certificate? WHAT? Yeah, im very confused.
Edit: Oh yeah, gender fluid, today im this tomorrow im that, HOW THE FUCK IS THAT ACCEPTED come on.... theres gotta be a limit to nonsense among change.
I kind of wanna hear a bit from people around here, i rarely open this topic anywhere cause its like fucking opening a can of worms. And i work in an industry that is so tied to this that the changes are coming so fast that im amazed how rough the changes are....
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 08:25 Post subject: |
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It's ridiculous. Teens are unable to take accountability for crimes they commit as they're too young to know what they've done and get away with it as a result. But they're old enough to take potentially life destroying choices for themselves. I'm thinking if they're old enough to potentially destroy their lives, they're old enough to take accountability for murdering their bully victim also.
That was partly off topic i know, but i think they should be adults before they make such a choice. Get past the period where they're very easily influenced, or make choices maybe not for themselves, but to fit in.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 09:10 Post subject: |
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America ist wunderbar.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 10:57 Post subject: |
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Lopin18 wrote: |
Now some countries allowing sex change on the birth certificate? WHAT? Yeah, im very confused.
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This is great, see Spain for example. Now you can become part of the most privileged group (i.e. women) by filling out a simple e-government form. Better social safety net, more stipends, more job offers, no selective service and earlier retirement in some countries. Awesome!
Interinactive wrote: | As JK Rowling said (oh dear...) if she's wrong, the damage caused is far less than if the mob is wrong.
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But don't you know? If trans activists don't get their way 100% of the time, they will suicide themselves. If you don't submit to the emotional extortion you are complicit. Also they are being genocided on a daily basis.
Well the ones who are going to suffer in the end are the tiny minority of kids that are really trans. They do exist - it is a biological fact - during embryogenesis a female body can develop a male brain and vice versa, but it is pretty rare. But because most of what is happening right now has gotten out of control and turned into a trend, social contagion and mass hysteria at the same time the conservatives will get their way eventually and ban all "gender affirming care".
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 12:12 Post subject: |
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Shocktrooper wrote: | Lopin18 wrote: |
Now some countries allowing sex change on the birth certificate? WHAT? Yeah, im very confused.
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This is great, see Spain for example. Now you can become part of the most privileged group (i.e. women) by filling out a simple e-government form. Better social safety net, more stipends, more job offers, no selective service and earlier retirement in some countries. Awesome!
Interinactive wrote: | As JK Rowling said (oh dear...) if she's wrong, the damage caused is far less than if the mob is wrong.
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But don't you know? If trans activists don't get their way 100% of the time, they will suicide themselves. If you don't submit to the emotional extortion you are complicit. Also they are being genocided on a daily basis.
Well the ones who are going to suffer in the end are the tiny minority of kids that are really trans. They do exist - it is a biological fact - during embryogenesis a female body can develop a male brain and vice versa, but it is pretty rare. But because most of what is happening right now has gotten out of control and turned into a trend, social contagion and mass hysteria at the same time the conservatives will get their way eventually and ban all "gender affirming care". |
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 12:14 Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 12:33 Post subject: |
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It is not a culture war, for them it is a way of living.
You don't have to get involved unless you are like that
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 13:17 Post subject: |
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 14:18 Post subject: |
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paxsali wrote: | It's very simple.
Trans ppl have existed since forever and they'll exist forever. That's a true fact.
Different societies of humanity have made it difficult for trans ppl in different degrees, from very difficult to impossible to we'll straight up kill you.
Trannies won't go away.
You can chose for yourself to make it "less sucky" for trans ppl, based on moral values that you hold.
If you let yourself be mixed up in the culture war and side with ppl who want to make it "more sucky" again for trans ppl, at least know what you're talking about.
Most ppl don't know what they're talking about, because they're listening to Ben Shapiro and Steven Crowder who tell them trans ppl are mentally ill, sexual predators, fakers, dangerous and even conspiracy theories, how they want to "change the whole society" secretly and horseshit like that.
That is the bottom line.
The culture war is still going on in the meantime.
You will hear from both sides of the camp some unrealistic, unrepresentative bullshit, because both camps are participating in political activism, some of it leggit, some of it "sensationalist", "provocative" - that's part of the political activism.
Some ppl believe if they want to be able to jump 2 feet high, they have to "demand" to jump 10 feet high.
Other ppl listen to this and say "what? you're gonna jump higher than me? No, I'll have still still nailed to the ground, instead".
The truth is that trans ppl are nailed to the ground, barely jumping 3cm high right now, and that's talking from the western perspective. Imagine other countries.
Up to this day, in Germany there is a Transsexual Law, that states that a trans person has to "convince" a psychologist and a judge that they're "for real" and they have to answer a question catalogue with humiliating and demeaning, intimate questions ... for what you ask? Simpy if they want to change they're name, that is all. Cis ppl don't have to go through the same ordeal.
It's the little things like that, which make the difference between one class of citizens and ... the other.
I personally am ashamed of such instances of "official" laws that are still in place, because somehow I thought "we were over that" in our society - coming from the progressive perspective.
But that isn't true. There's still a lot of backwards, hillbilly legacy shit going on, in many countries.
This "legacy" backwards shit .. needs *clap hands* to *clap hands* go.
Period.
Don't get mixed up in the culture wars, boys and gals. |
Great post.
Seems like a lot of us have drank that kool aid and are fully invested in said culture ( .. emotionally-fuelled on a very basic level is more like it) war. You can really feel the empathy for the subject and the people it concerns (no, not just the poor non-willing kids that are being forced into being trans, apparently) as well.
It's almost a fully-American phenomenon that's being spun around as some kind of fundamental issue for the upcoming Presidential campaign, it's so fucking obvious too. You'll see, it'll be all they'll (and us, seemingly) be talking about then.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 14:56 Post subject: |
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TheZor wrote: | You can really feel the empathy for the subject and the people it concerns (no, not just the poor non-willing kids that are being forced into being trans, apparently) as well. | It's not that kids are being forced to be trans, it's that if you as a parent dare to think that maybe it's not that great of an idea to have your kids exposed to that bullshit, expect to be called a bigot/nazi/etc.
But go on, let your kids go to the cool pride parades, drag queen story hour events, etc.
The worst (and probably more common) trans people welcome more newly converted members, the younger the better apparently:
https://twitter.com/Christhealtgod/status/1588259381162160128
Disgusting fucking freak.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:07 Post subject: |
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Thx for the great post paxsali!
At tonizito you see sexuality as a kind of religion.
One you can choose, and one you can not.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:26 Post subject: |
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tonizito wrote: | TheZor wrote: | You can really feel the empathy for the subject and the people it concerns (no, not just the poor non-willing kids that are being forced into being trans, apparently) as well. | It's not that kids are being forced to be trans, it's that if you as a parent dare to think that maybe it's not that great of an idea to have your kids exposed to that bullshit, expect to be called a bigot/nazi/etc.
But go on, let your kids go to the cool pride parades, drag queen story hour events, etc.
The worst (and probably more common) trans people welcome more newly converted members, the younger the better apparently:
https://twitter.com/Christhealtgod/status/1588259381162160128
Disgusting fucking freak. |
Not even discussing the reality of it and to what sort of specific "bullshit" kids are exposed to in some US states (not like they're being influenced by the other "sane" side of the argument non-stop)..But is anything of this a reality in Portugal or France ?
Some of it is objectively very borderline, in poor taste stuff I would never begin to agree with, but I wish the same very rigorous questioning and very high level of scrutiny was also consistently applied to other societal values as well
However, it only gets people going when it's stuff they don't really like, and it works even better when it has something to do with what goes on in their pants, doesn't it.
I had to read for a dozen minutes or so to figure out what the story behind this last picture was. At the end of it, I'm not sure whether I should be outraged at people displaying their lives on social media to begin with and everyone participating in that circus as if he/she had any moral high ground, the rather poor timing of his transitioning relative to the rest of that father's life, the people making a literal story out of a picture nobody would give a shit about without the context and "narrative" to go along with it (although it's a complete strawman objectively speaking, the gist of it is people suppose she's grooming her child to be trans as well even if everyone's tip-toeing around it in a very pathetic kind of way), how that issue becomes apparently completely fundamental over anything else and trumps basic decency for a lot of commenters.
I wouldn't begin to judge the vast majority of people I know intimately, I won't be starting with some random Internet celebrity I have never followed through the prism of whatever made it through the Internet.
I'll be completely honest, I don't get your love for all this drama to get outraged about, it just seems completely pointless and downright harmful to me, regardless of the "side" of the argument one is siding with. I don't see anything beneficial coming off it either way.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:32 Post subject: |
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Ok, this thread is slowly leaning into madness now. Yikes
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:37 Post subject: |
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paxsali wrote: |
Trans ppl "raise" their kids to be trans. Okay.
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But is that really happening? Why should you raise someone who feels right in his body to be trans?
That doesn't make sense at all.
Now if its just dressup for the fun of it. We did that too.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:45 Post subject: |
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Of course, that supposes all the actors are of good will and honest, though.
I mean, you could argue one could easily groom his child into becoming trans over the years - after all, [BIG BAIT AHEAD], people have been doing it conversely grooming their gay child into becoming heterosexual, why shouldn't it be okay ?
Basically, it's so much of an issue because gender identity will always be a defining point of identity (way more than one's job, although it's a very key defining feature throughout humanity, for instance) and that it's at a crossroads of so many societal key subjects.. it'll always get us talking, in Europe at least. Not much of a subject in South-East Asia.. 
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:55 Post subject: |
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I think you are born with a blueprint.
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 15:59 Post subject: |
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TheZor wrote: |
I mean, you could argue one could easily groom his child into becoming trans over the years in a planned way - after all, [BIG BAIT AHEAD], people have been doing it conversely grooming their gay child into becoming heterosexual, why shouldn't it be okay the other way around ? |
This is perhaps the dumbest thing i've read in maybe a week. What the fuck is wrong with your head?
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Posted: Mon, 1st May 2023 16:06 Post subject: |
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As pax said, trans people have always, and always will exist. Just their ability to say they feel that way doesn't get them beat, put in an asylum, or killed nearly as readily as it did before.
Are there some nutjobs out there? Sure any sufficiently large group of people will have them. Pick a thing you are for, it has nutjobs too. Do you listen to them? Probably not. So why base the opinion of the majority of this one on them?
Are Trans 'grooming' kids? No. Don't care what you hear. It is not a thing. Do parents raise their kids 'trans'? No. Are trans trying to bang kids? No. Are trans trying to groom kids, tro bang other kids. No....All fear mongering boogieman bullshit they feed people by the spoonful. \
Again, other than the single percentage nut job that might do those. None of those are true to any degree.
I'd wager I am in the top 3 of people here that activelty have trans/lgbtq contact daily from either my sons or daughters friends or friends of fiends. As they are over here a lot for them, and a few that are in their 20's I am friends by association with.
And I feel 99% of the hoopla is overblown online. NONE of them talk about, start, or engage in any of the things that online seems to imply they are. Online is concerns and conversation they have, media frenzied up 1000 times.
That 99% of the panic is what you hear and see online constantly, that makes you really notice the rare occasion you actually 'see' the controversy in person.
I mean to ask honestly here. Does anyone encounter, deal with, or have to face the issue as much as online makes it seem like it happens?
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