This February, enter the Quantum Realm. Watch the brand-new trailer for Marvel Studios’ Ant-Man and The Wasp: Quantumania, only in theaters February 17, 2023.
So Kang is actually blue now? He can travel to quantum sizes? He is from the future with tech to control space time. Not quantum sizing, at least not a power he ever had canonically.
Unless the quantum realm..thing. Is them slipping into one of Kangs dimensions, if so then all the characters it shows are wrong.
Cassie Lang is a troublesome arrested teen (vs her father being arrested to cover for her) and starts the progress to Stinger before the events of HER helping her father out of jail (not vice versa).
Maybe the trailer skips over some important details of how the story got backwards, but why does marvel movies like to take what would be a fantastic story for a movie, even for none comic fans, and have to shoehorn in 'movie character tropes 101' messing up the whole actual story to be able to?
They could make a truly non-generic superhero movie if they used the decades of already inplace storyline, vs making it a generic 'same formula' movie every time.
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So Kang is actually blue now? He can travel to quantum sizes? He is from the future with tech to control space time. Not quantum sizing, at least not a power he ever had canonically.
Unless the quantum realm..thing. Is them slipping into one of Kangs dimensions, if so then all the characters it shows are wrong.
Cassie Lang is a troublesome arrested teen (vs her father being arrested to cover for her) and starts the progress to Stinger before the events of HER helping her father out of jail (not vice versa).
Maybe the trailer skips over some important details of how the story got backwards, but why does marvel movies like to take what would be a fantastic story for a movie, even for none comic fans, and have to shoehorn in 'movie character tropes 101' messing up the whole actual story to be able to?
@Karmeck
Watching it twice with explanation didn't help sort out the problems it causes me.
Kudos and enjoyment for those that will love to see it. I will give it a skip.
Dont judge a book by its cover (trailer) for sure. But the cover art and words at least let you know if its a genre you would enjoy or not no matter how well done the writer did. And seems I would spend more time going "that's not right, at all...or that, or that.. who the hell is that? What WHY can he do that??" than enjoying it.
In my head its like having Gandalf whip out a lightsaber to win a fight when he loses his cane. He never had one of those..why add it? Story was amazing by itself without hollywooding it up.
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@Yondaime
Thats a good point too I think. They seem to be getting more and more entrenched in making the screen as busy as possible with each new marvel movie. Like the Michael Bay explosions of abstract visual overload.
Granted some comic book artist are renowned (or reviled depending who you ask) for overly busy art styles and adding too much background "Panel Candy" to the comic books. But it works much better for that medium as its a static image you can look at all the parts of, at your own pace if you wish or just go to the next page.
But on a screen or such, its what I tell my wife is the "Fireworks tactic". As in like a fireworks show, the more dazzling lights and fantastical visuals you have the less actual story you need to keep the customer staring at it in enjoyment. Up to the point of a pure fireworks show, which needs no story at all to draw a crowd. They come purely for the "oooohh..aaaaah" eye candy.
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That's it for me at least.
(Besides the jumping the shark of the story being nowhere even close to the actual good story of the comics they could have just used.)
That the characters are not interesting in a way of relatability anymore. And it seems they try to make up for the meat they cut out of the story, with extra fake CGI grill marks and fancy visual garnishing so you dont notice maybe.
Sure they are superheroes with super hero problems, but in the comics the story (more or less) conveyed they are super people with superpowers that had to deal with over the top super villains AND was in the end people, that had to do all that while dealing with flaws, emotions and problems internal and external that people do.
The farther the movies go in series, the more its just "Super people dealing with super people world saving" and skim over the parts that made the comics good: These are people after all, that have to save the world while wrestling with humanizing problems that comes with being any average person.
The movies 'people problems' are always the same dead, overplayed, frivolous safe hollywood go to types of problems. Not interesting personalizing ones. Like Your iron man one. His problems was unique to him, Not a: Generic version of what scores high on the trope character movie middle class problems list? Give one of them that problem...type thing: Divorce, job issues, angsty troublemaking offspring, marriage troubles, lack of recognition/acknowledgement for your effort..etc. you know random boring generic problems that are not in anyway solidifying to that character itself as their unique problems.
I dont empathize, or connect, or have any reason to cheer for them beyond "good guys good yay!, bad guys bad boo!". And it seems they know it, so they dangle glitter covered keys at your eyes for 90 minutes hoping the lack of depth to the person holding the keys is made up for how fancy the keys look.
Now I fully admit comics too was just bubblegum entertainment. But at least the bubblegum had some flavor when you chewed it.
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The reviews for Marvel Studios’ “Ant-Man and the Wasp: Quantumania” are in and the word is… not good.
With 107 reviews counted, the film sits at 57% (5.9/10) on Rotten Tomatoes which marks the second worst score for a Marvel film ahead of only “Eternals” (47%) and behind “Thor: Love and Thunder” (64%).
It still confounds me why comic movies insist on making up new, varying degrees of bad, original story plots.
There is literally decades of better story arcs already existing in the comics (albeit sometimes also bad, but not as bad as movie's ones).
They either just make up whole new stories, or take existing ones and twist or change them up hurting the story, simply for the sake of CGI/movie scene snippets of 'ohh and ahh' eye candy. Or smash in 'hollywood movie trope #[something something]' B plot fluff nonsense that sells, but only because it's used so much it's what people was groomed to expect to see, so it sells tickets.
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It still confounds me why comic movies insist on making up new, varying degrees of bad, original story plots.
There is literally decades of better story arcs already existing in the comics (albeit sometimes also bad, but not as bad as movie's ones).
They either just make up whole new stories, or take existing ones and twist or change them up hurting the story, simply for the sake of CGI/movie scene snippets of 'ohh and ahh' eye candy. Or smash in 'hollywood movie trope #[something something]' B plot fluff nonsense that sells, but only because it's used so much it's what people was groomed to expect to see, so it sells tickets.
Honestly, I believe it just boils down to creative ego (it feels there are currently more movie directors that have at least some contempt towards comics and their authors, rather than the other way around, it's hard arguing otherwise) and trying to justify their salaries, top execs will understand they actually did some work, pay them for it, and won't give a damn whether it faithfully followed whatever original comics plotline or not.
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nobody cares about the mcu movies anymore, the universe died with endgame
I didn't find Part 2 to be that good relative to the hype it generated, agree that it was the nail in the coffin (and should obviously have been this whole era's end for a couple years at least), people are just burnt out on anything MCU for a good while, their style has become a parody of itself too.
Same thing for SW, even if Andor is clearly the best content to come out in a while, I have trouble bringing myself to watch it even though I enjoyed Rogue One a lot, still haven't done it yet.
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part 2 was shit yeah but it ended the whole arc so there is no reason to watch another mcu movie after that one cuz they are just not good movies and its pointless for the new story they trying to do..
in the past u would have watched a shit mcu movie couse it felt connected to a bigger arc, now there is no point, and it shows in the ratings and box office...
these new mcu movies now are the shit quality marvel released some 20 years ago
I'd say the biggest mistake was the stupid snap at the end of Infinity War and that fake tension of many characters 'disappearing' . Endgame was a complete mess with the time travel that didn't even follow its own rules.
MCU was never amazing but it was the novelty of a shared universe that made people check out the films. Now many people are able to see past that and aren't giving it any free passes.
Also I'm glad that Disney/Marvel's scummy practice of underpaying VFX artists is backfiring
MCU was ok when it was fresh. It stale now, there's superhero fatigue and that mainstream shit rarely kill someone off. There are no stakes, there's a bad guy he will loose.
Not to mention that there isn't much of writing quality too, most big bads are shit - they want to rule, kill, conquer. Not much depth to them. Even Thanos background was thin at best.
And when they are interesting they were wasted like for example Wanda, her resolution was shit.
In almost all those movies every sup is ironwilled, no one is afraid to fight enemies, almost no one has PTSD. Only Tony and Bruce had were somewhat afraid but it was not portrayed well.
Why The Boys are more watched than any Disney show, because it's a deconstruction, something different has flawed characters.
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yeah bring back the snyderverse, dont think there is a superhero fatigue but people are tired of comedy superhero movies, they want movies like the batman, joker, serious type movies. andor was again a serious show unlike the other sw stuff that were comedy.
cant wait for the new daredevil to backfire really bad
I'd say the biggest mistake was the stupid snap at the end of Infinity War and that fake tension of many characters 'disappearing' . Endgame was a complete mess with the time travel that didn't even follow its own rules.
Agree, Thanos snap should have made the whole MCU disappear and never come back.
@StEFaN7
Yea, the direction they are trying to take of 'serious comedy' never works for me. I don't mind a little comedy to break the tension in an action movie. But trying to do 50/50 comedy and action makes both feel forced and watered down.
Especially when its flat prediciable 'by the book' comedy, and the action is cookie cutter 90% eye candy fluff wrapped around a conclusion you can see coming a mile away, because the formula is: The more screen time they spending building up it it's going to be a big hard deal to do, the more chance they will win that scene.
It reminds me of DragonBallZ writing: 70% of the show talking about this huge fight that will happen without actual fighting, then 20% of it them screaming to get ready for fight. 10% of it the actual fight the other 90% talked was going to happen.
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GOTG I liked the least, personally. No ink toward those that did. Everyone has different tastes.
I didn't like the comics either back in 2005ish(?) it was I tried reading it, the ones that started this line of the team.
(Totally self admitted my take on it:)
The humor wasn't my type of humor. It felt like generic every other movie humor in last 15 years type humor. And the characters was flat tropes of least effort (to me).
-Groot: The sellable "NOT THE MAMA" single catchphrase trope (from dinosaurs show) type character.
-Star-Lord: Comic relief with 'patented older viewers nostalgia inducing' soundtrack.
-Rocket Raccoon: Wildcard of the team with as much on screen depth as TF2's scout.
-Drax: Secondary Comic relief by being awkward. the "What if an autistic person was super strong" vibe.
Probably just me. The humor in it wore thin after like 10 minutes of each character. Was just the same 'quirks' repeated in a different scene dressing. Same vibe and reason I didn't like Big Bang Theory. A Trope character is only funny until I know the whole trope..then it's just repetitive and predictable what they will say/do.
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