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 Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 17:24 Post subject: got my internet phd |
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Internet is so boring now. They've clamped down so hard on the "free speech mandate". At least I can say whatever I want (and is actually true) here as long as a Gen X mod can relate to it. Propositional arguments are damn near worthless. You try and say something and people just pick keywords out of your conversation, take that as your meaning and don't stop to hear the rest of the sentence.
Idras Elba could be giving his "we're gonna cancel the apocalypse" speech at the end of Pacific Rim and the people living in this world would stop at the word "cancel" cause that's cancel culture and why is Idras Elba in favour of cancel culture...zzzzzzzzzz
The Gen X peeps I grew up with understand what having a good attitude meant. That's all it is now, gotta have a good attitude. Words just get you dead.
Anyway, getting outside the Pope's thought-and-metaphor control, I wanna just plow into TOR or the dark web and build something worth while. Where conversations can be whatever they want and a Reddit mod isn't tyrannizing the economic success of every, single, non-roman catholic, thought on internet. Where you can see real sh*t and not be baited by fake view counts, sign up boxes, deliberately shitty apps that suck the life blood out of you.
Thanks for coming to my forum post. Please leave the thought control box inside the incinerator on the way out.
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 18:20 Post subject: |
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kiwifarms.net
Good luck and have fun
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 18:34 Post subject: |
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haha yeah i know kiwifarms
probs part of the internet phd
it's not "it" captain. the free world wide web is ripperoni. can't be online without cloudflare protecting you from "foreign ddos", cloudflare decides who is hosted, and who isn't. cloudflare polices the content it protects, no freedom there.
the dumbest thing is even on "dark web" forums, demonsaw, ect. peeps silence themselves for fear of being caught out saying the wrong thing.
the mind control is near complete. kf is lame, lolling at lolcows ain't freedom. freedom is static html, css on a tor hidden service. can draw pretty literary pictures and the pope can't reach his hand up my bum to puppet my brain from the vatican.
Ahh there's the feeling. the imaginary place where i can make a video game where you have one character with permadeath and you learn to wade across the river jordan into freedom, rather than getting ur face roasty-toasted off by the ark of conven....
but no anything produced by mankind must be pre-approved by some authority figure, shitfucked full of ads, open to dumb reviews from people who don't know what they're seeing and sold for a monthly fee which it never merited in the first place, just to suck the blood from your dick and send you back into the slave mines.
but alas i speak too much. i'll put all this stuff on a fax machine and send it to someone from the 80s who cares.. .. ????
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tonizito
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 18:41 Post subject: |
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So far they've been able to stay up without cloudflare, troons will eventually run out of money for all the ddosing too. Hopefully it can inspire other sites (nice or not so nice sites) but it's extremely hard nowadays to have that "free" internet of old back withput a huge sum of money.
Everything is mainstream, and if you step out of line you're fucked. Unless you're on the "right side of history", of course 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 18:55 Post subject: |
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holy ship you actually related to what i was saying even tho you disagree with me.
fuck me dead i must be in the future.
yeah my whole life has been an attempt to get into the mainstream, the universe (or whatever) kicks me out. i was studying theology a couple weeks ago, discovered i could have a rare problem irl that rules out that line of work. so odd, i tell people the plain-facts of my life and people get suspicious of my motives. nah just trying to make it work.
anyway thanks, it's probably worth throwing something up on tor later. just cause why not.
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 19:23 Post subject: |
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yeah well it's gonna get more rough (for guys)... downward slope started 2010. bottom of the hill is in the 2060s. afaik. i'm no time wizard. lock up your daughters, make ur son do all the work. if you end up chasing the image of women, you're a horny unicorn. think so hard you bleed from the forehead or just find a virginal woman to capture you ... (and the hunters will murk you when she catches you).
idk even talking about what will protect people from the meanings/differences that will kill them is kinda boring. maybe its just me.
freedom for sure, still valuable
EDIT; oh dogma isn't streamable? add that to the list of shit i can't find online anymore. dogma's not even that bad, come on. did they not get a streaming deal and are now selling cancel culture as a bullshit cover though?
so many political-flavoured ads to cover normal everyday life bullship.
it's so weird. roma-catholics go hard against lukewarm media. Philip pullman's "His Dark Materials" series is a fantasy book sold to teenagers. It's explicitly anti-catholic (through identical metaphors to the church) and sells maturity, to fall from the garden of eden and get away from clerics and priests, to divine the future on a three-handed compass.
not a peep from RC. Dogma tho, b&ed.
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Frant
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 21:00 Post subject: |
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Don't forget that catholics and christians in general in the west attacked Lord of the Rings movies for being blasphemous... 
Of course, that's more funny than serious, at least in hindsight. Now filmmakers etc. can't joke about ANYTHING that any self-interest group find "insulting", cancel culture has turned the film and streaming industry into a sociopolitical platform where minority groups agendas are prioritized over any other considerations.
It's no longer acceptable to belong to any kind of majority whether it be heterosexual, male, caucasian origins or a different view of religion and faith than some loudmouthed minority groups who want to control how other people think and form opinions. These groups don't use debate or informational discourse, they use cancel culture via social media to affect any industry where they can replace the existing culture to push their own tunnel vision agendas on us all.
As for the topic of this thread, it's everywhere. You can't discuss or criticize anything that goes against the twisted Millennial/Gen Z nonsense that is infecting those generations. The origins of their beyond-woke/hyper-sjw agendas had a place and changed society slowly over the last century to greatly improve anything from womens rights, racism, mandatory religion, increase acceptance of homo/bisexuality etc...
Those issues have been hijacked by nitwits with social media (twitter & texting->)goldfish memory where they base their own knowledge and opinions on superbly ignorant nonsense they see on their phones. The actual progress in those areas have halted to some extent and in some cases they're even reverting due to the damage these salty cancel culture nitwits is causing.
So yes, whether it's forums or other forms of communications online, it's very hard to find anywhere that you can have proper discussions about things whether it's politics, personal opinions etc. You risk being doxxed or have a weak pissant report someone for no reason, leading to a swat team killing you based on those false accusations.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 22:30 Post subject: |
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Free speech gives you the right to say whatever you want. It in no way obligates anyone else to relay or host, or give you a free platform to spread it.
I am ALL for free speech. No one can tell you what words can come out of your mouth. They dont have to agree with them. But no one can stop you from saying it. BUT that freedom does not mandate anyone to repeat, process, store, or host your speech.
I do disagree with those persecuting others for free speech by making it personal and doxxing and such.
And the free internet IS still free. Make as many websites, forums, blogs, whatever you want, about whatever you want. No ones stopping you or should be able to. The complaint is other peoples owned property like that isnt allowing you free speech is wrong. They are not stopping you from doing whatever you want on the internet with the parts of it you own.
People confuse free speech with others having forced commitment to relay that speech for you.
The day you host a domain of your own opinions and someone forcibly by law takes it down from outside when you own it, is when free speech on the internet is dead.
Its the difference between a newspaper saying they will not print your opinion and spread it, vs saying that YOU cannot print your opinion on your own paper and spread it.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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| Posted: Mon, 10th Oct 2022 23:07 Post subject: |
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I'm just gonna use my free speech to say this: fgds fds mlksdgfdg ^qlsdqsldùq slfdkgkjdf cl,xlwc,sqd fhpokkopskqpdkqsf
That's all folks.
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Frant
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2022 02:22 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | Free speech gives you the right to say whatever you want. It in no way obligates anyone else to relay or host, or give you a free platform to spread it.
I am ALL for free speech. No one can tell you what words can come out of your mouth. They dont have to agree with them. But no one can stop you from saying it. BUT that freedom does not mandate anyone to repeat, process, store, or host your speech.
I do disagree with those persecuting others for free speech by making it personal and doxxing and such.
And the free internet IS still free. Make as many websites, forums, blogs, whatever you want, about whatever you want. No ones stopping you or should be able to. The complaint is other peoples owned property like that isnt allowing you free speech is wrong. They are not stopping you from doing whatever you want on the internet with the parts of it you own.
People confuse free speech with others having forced commitment to relay that speech for you.
The day you host a domain of your own opinions and someone forcibly by law takes it down from outside when you own it, is when free speech on the internet is dead.
Its the difference between a newspaper saying they will not print your opinion and spread it, vs saying that YOU cannot print your opinion on your own paper and spread it. |
Where is this "free internet" you speak about?
Everything is owned by corporations that severely limits what you can and can't do on any of their platforms/services. Governments have laws in place to force ISP's to log information about your usage (IP, dates etc.). The only remotely free internet can only be found on private servers not controlled by any third party (ie. on a server in your own home, not a rented virtual server from some provider). Good luck finding a thriving "free internet" community that is bigger than.. well, something.. and isn't full of idiots, adolescents, perverts etc. that turn the "free internet" into a porta-potty.
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn!
"The sky was the color of a TV tuned to a dead station" - Neuromancer
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2022 06:43 Post subject: |
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I meant free as do whatever you want in response to his first post. Not free as in a right to have internet. But that is a different topic that could be argued for.
I was speaking as in throw up a server, expose the IP to the internet and put whatever opinion on it you want, or whatever you want at all long as it isnt illegal no one can stop you.
Google anything you can get millions of results of people saying whatever that thing is. There is billions of self owned websites with all sorts of opinions, conspiracy theories, hate, counter govt, counter establishment content on them, good and bad. Hell 4chan exists openly on the internet
So id say the internet its the most free of all the collective options. Freedom of Speech does not guarantee you get the top 10 popular established places helping you say it.
Freedom of speech does not afford you the right that others must supply you a specific soap box you'd prefer to stand on, and megaphone to use. It just means you have a personal right to hold whatever views you wish and freedom to use your means to say them, so you CAN build all the soapboxes and horde all the megaphones you want yourself. It also doesn't include that someone must provide you ears to speak it to (a large community).
We even do that here: Tell people they can think and say what they want, just not on this platform they dont own, and we [well the mods] 'run' this place. Well MrT actually does but you get my meaning.
Reminds me of the "Just because you have a right to be a nudist, doesnt mean your local gas station must let you buy gas naked".
To me its the same as saying I stood outside in public to say what I wanted, but claiming its not free speech since no one rented for me the space to stand in, and they didnt gather people for me to say it to.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Tue, 11th Oct 2022 10:28 Post subject: |
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(double post as I realized something about the context).
@Submiqent
To me, personally this sounds more like: I cannot find an already popular place to get people to listen to me and my important opinions. Sure I can start my own webserver, but no one would read it, and thats a lot of work my opinions are important but not enough to be assed to facilitate them myself and work to get people to listen on my own..so whats the point?
Freedom of speech, again, means you have a right to say it with your own means. Not that people are obliged to help you spread it or a guaranteed audience to hear it.
Also...melodramatic much? You dont need a tor/dark web website.
I will bet money if you started a normal ass self hosted website to post your opinions on, no one will force you to take it down. I would even host one for you. I got free space on a private webserver I can spare.
But I doubt you would want it. Since its not about if you can simply say it, it seems. its seems the important part is needing to make sure a certain guaranteed threshold of people see it without you needing to do the effort of gathering the listeners yourself, and that OTHERS freedom of speech to disagree is not applied back to you.
Free speech does not mean your right to crop dust an opinion into a room and then tell everyone that disagrees with you (even if wrongly) to shut up about what you said. Even if you ARE right, everyone, even idiots, have the same freedom to say what they want...yes even if it relates negatively to what you used yours to say.
Freedom of speech does not come with the implied freedom from rebuttals, even if they are wrong rebuttals. They dont have to be right in the counter argument, thats what the 'freedom' part of it is. You are free to think what you want..even wrongly be it you OR them. Others trying to convince you otherwise (even if dumbly) is not in violation of a thing about your rights.
And even them removing it from thier own site does not remove your right to say it, just your privilege to use thier services to spread it around the world for free.
Let me know when reddit/twitter/whatever comes to your house and goes "That thing you said on our site? We are here to make sure you do not say it in any capacity in any setting and you are not allowed to talk about it anywhere". Then I will side with you.
Didnt want to double post, but a pet peeve of mine: People confusing freedom of speech with obligations of others to carry that speech to others.
If anyone tells you that its illegal/punishable to speak what you think in your own capacity using your own facilities. Then I will 100% stand beside you that you are in the right to.
You want to hand out fliers in a (actual) public setting? No one should be able to stop you. But no one is burdened to print the fliers for free for you, or give you a window of time on thier property to do so if they do not wish to. Nor is anyone you hand them to restricted from responding to you on the street about what it says when you hand it to them. The internet is just a digital extension of that premise.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
Disclaimer: Post made by me are of my own creation. A delusional mind relayed in text form.
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Nalo
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