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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2022 03:07 Post subject: The whole woke/the social climate is bad/whatever post |
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To save from clogging other threads, posting a thread here. If anyone care to engage in it is a shot in the dark
And general chatter? Bitching section? Not sure where to put it..so it goes here.
I feel the whole situation of calling things woke as a derogatory term, and judging how women act based on how you would want yours to act, and how some kids today have lost it and are total batshit, and such is just us following the repeating pattern of time.
Remember hippies? Remember Yuppis? 'Pandering' Black TV shows like Good times, Shaft? Bra burning? Hell even women NOT wearing long dresses in the 60's was a 'my god what is wrong with these kids forcing this (pick that generations word for gender agenda) shit down our throats'?
Now is the same: Simply people our age and us refusing to acknowledge that we are older, and not part of the perpetually changing social economy anymore.
Its just an ever repeating scenario of old generation out, new in. Old does not like the way the new is changing things. Happens every decade or so as social climates change to fit what the 'current generation' dictates. Not ALL that generation dictates it, some hate it too..but its change.
Spoiler: | 50's people moving to 60s version of "Back in my day": Woman wait to be asked out, A woman that speaks her mind and makes the first move is prone to be called a Tramp. Thats what women thought of as Tramps do. And what happened to the good family shows like leave it to beaver, and my three sons. Now all the shows pander to these hippies. Its propaganda for the hippy movement I tell you. Look at laugh in..that show is just a hippie drug fueled nod condoning of doing acid.
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60's people moving to 70's version of "Back in my day": TV shows and movies was good, Like James bond, and good good guys. Now they got Police shows that show cops in a bad light. Gun violence in a show about a black man named shaft. Black shows just for the sake of pandering to the blacks that cry they dont get equal time on tv..then make your OWN Shows...stop taking over ours.
[b]70's people moving to 80's version of "Back in my day": (So from above they DO make thier own shows) Whats with all these black shows? Like Good Times, it's a show about being black and poor. Way to pander to the poor minorities by glamourizing poor urban people. And when did women start wearing slut clothes? Fishnets? OUTSIDE? Fucking immoral whores that will turn out for no good if you ask me... |
And so and and so on like in the spoiler (to stop from being a long...er post).
So here we are, 30-40+ years old.
Bitching about how things are changing from what we are use to, to some 'fringe' thing (to us) , and clinging to how it was 'Back in our days' and what we grew accustomed to that was targeted at OUR juicy 18-30 demographic.
So not realizing the days now are not our 'days' its theirs the 18-30 group. And like our 'days' was, and how it was changing for ways our parents didnt like and labelled as pandering..to whatever they disagreed with that was never talked about when they was young. So talking about it to them now, is pandering to it. As to them: WE never had to talk about it, or have movements about that stuff...you are pushing an agenda.
No they are shaping the world to thier future "Back in MY day" as right now..is thier 'days'. Every social decade has uncomfortable change to those that lived before it. And see it as pandering as they are being pushed out of slowly but surely, having an opinion of what is what anymore.
Sure there are the extremist 'warriors' for the current flavor of the decade movement. They all had them. But the majority (even for sake of argument ifs its only 51% majority) of 'These are now our days, grandpa' generation is for, in some form, the things that are 'different and forced' in your eyes.
And media, movies, social profiting companies, like they ALWAYS do. Will falsely bind to whatever sells the 18-30 are talking about needs change.
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-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Comics is an example of how wrong companies are thinking they just need the youth. They don't care about comics (and who has more money, the 40 year old or the 18 year old?) 18 year olds don't give a shit if the comic has the most extreme left leaning agenda in the world, they don't buy comics.
But also companies who thinks Twitter is the real world and reflects real world opinions are just idiots and we can all laugh at them and watch them fail. There's a current immense backlash for woke series, movies and we've recently seen some stuff pulled completely because it's just too woke and stupid. So they're starting to realize they can't live off those ESG points (yet, anyways) and that they are embarrassing themselves completely.
Woke (how we use the word now) means basically Scam or Scheme, politics posing as entertainment. A TV series or a comics can have zero interest from anyone but still make money (ESG, papa government pays for doing propaganda and brainwash). As a company it must be wonderful of course, you can be completely fucking lazy just do propaganda and you will be fine, you have money secured already (less unpredictability, sucks for companies not knowing how well something will do).
ESG - their and the investors prediction of it - some companies has went all in with it, is hopefully not the future for entertainment (woke is anti-entertainment - being lazy and doing propaganda instead of actual entertainment that people wants).
Woke is not doing great, i'm on Facebook and i get notified by anything news related to Amazon's LOTR (any of the big entertainment sites will show up in my feed if they have an article about it, i see at least 3 daily, followed it for over 1 year now). The ratio of Laugh emoji to Heart is hilarious, people hate them. The downvote ratio on YT is also telling, there's far more of us than there are of them (AND paid bots -which will be an enormous amount). I do predict that the Laugh emoji (as a reaction to posts) will be removed by FB eventually. Just like Dislike was removed from YT..
As for the "back in my day" argument.. I mean it works for almost anything i guess. Be it climate change, current politics, games getting loot boxes, electricity prices or whatever it may be you can always counter argument with a good old "sure grandpa, 'back in your day'..." and yes i guess it's always correct that things does change and that some specific themes are more worrying to older people. But i'm not sure it's more true for "woke" than current electricity prices here or whatever, i think there's a common ground.
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The fuck is this? Just use the gaymurgayte thread, that's what it exists for? It does need a name change, though
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Live and let live is my life motto.
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omfg with the spoiler it's even a bigger wall of text.
gonna grab a coffee and respond in a bit
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DXWarlock wrote: |
I feel the whole situation of calling things woke as a derogatory term, and judging how women act based on how you would want yours to act, and how some kids today have lost it and are total batshit, and such is just us following the repeating pattern of time. |
incorrect. it's how about how people want women to act. it's how the media wants women to act. it's a funky mirror in a carnival. it doesn't show the true image. it creates. it doesn't showcase. reality tv showcases.
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Remember hippies? Remember Yuppis? 'Pandering' Black TV shows like Good times, Shaft? Bra burning? Hell even women NOT wearing long dresses in the 60's was a 'my god what is wrong with these kids forcing this (pick that generations word for gender agenda) shit down our throats'? |
incorrect. good times, good show. shaft. good series. long dresses? that was a sign of class. being dressed meant you had class. not being dressed you were a vagabond. bra burning wasn't stupid. only sexist men thought it was stupid. it was an upgrade. we aren't gonna take it. that movement had a purpose. liberation. independence.
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Now is the same: Simply people our age and us refusing to acknowledge that we are older, and not part of the perpetually changing social economy anymore.
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you do have a point there. if birthrates were at a 0 and we didn't have kids to raise that look up to incredulous values and mark their self worth based on how many sexual partners they've had.
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Its just an ever repeating scenario of old generation out, new in. Old does not like the way the new is changing things. Happens every decade or so as social climates change to fit what the 'current generation' dictates. Not ALL that generation dictates it, some hate it too..but its change.
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you are correct here. people get older, values change, self worth changes, responsibility changes. you know when you were a young father raising your kid was the most important aspect of your life, now kids are commodity. either it's a dead fetus, or extra govt monies every month. hold on a second. values haven't changed in decades. self worth has not changed as it's still based on class. class has changed to indicate many things.
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Spoiler: | 50's people moving to 60s version of "Back in my day": Woman wait to be asked out, A woman that speaks her mind and makes the first move is prone to be called a Tramp. Thats what women thought of as Tramps do. And what happened to the good family shows like leave it to beaver, and my three sons. Now all the shows pander to these hippies. Its propaganda for the hippy movement I tell you. Look at laugh in..that show is just a hippie drug fueled nod condoning of doing acid.
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60's people moving to 70's version of "Back in my day": TV shows and movies was good, Like James bond, and good good guys. Now they got Police shows that show cops in a bad light. Gun violence in a show about a black man named shaft. Black shows just for the sake of pandering to the blacks that cry they dont get equal time on tv..then make your OWN Shows...stop taking over ours.
[b]70's people moving to 80's version of "Back in my day": (So from above they DO make thier own shows) Whats with all these black shows? Like Good Times, it's a show about being black and poor. Way to pander to the poor minorities by glamourizing poor urban people. And when did women start wearing slut clothes? Fishnets? OUTSIDE? Fucking immoral whores that will turn out for no good if you ask me... | |
media has changed. people have not. women still see other women as whores for wanting dick. media shapes culture. it doesn't shape people. outliers exist that follow media. not all do.
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So here we are, 30-40+ years old.
Bitching about how things are changing from what we are use to, to some 'fringe' thing (to us) , and clinging to how it was 'Back in our days' and what we grew accustomed to that was targeted at OUR juicy 18-30 demographic. |
incorrect. the shift changes every other generation. right now what you're seeing is what adults like us, older adults assume 18-30 demographic wants. it's hello fellow kids. still tackles values/ideas we value, but written with wazzups and holla back girl because that's what tiktok tells executives that it is what children like.
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So not realizing the days now are not our 'days' its theirs the 18-30 group. And like our 'days' was, and how it was changing for ways our parents didnt like and labelled as pandering..to whatever they disagreed with that was never talked about when they was young. So talking about it to them now, is pandering to it. As to them: WE never had to talk about it, or have movements about that stuff...you are pushing an agenda. | see above. we are still in the phase of things our parents didn't like. fresh meat still hasn't broken into the core of media to actually make changes. and given the way things are in schools, social media, you won't see much of a change in content once leadership changes to reflect modern demos.
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No they are shaping the world to thier future "Back in MY day" as right now..is thier 'days'. Every social decade has uncomfortable change to those that lived before it. And see it as pandering as they are being pushed out of slowly but surely, having an opinion of what is what anymore. |
you are correct here. from g I Joe in the 80s saying we should work together and not hate people because they're different to... we should work together and not hate people because they are different. captain planet... big corporations are bad and polluting our planet and don't care about little people... to same exact thing.
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Sure there are the extremist 'warriors' for the current flavor of the decade movement. They all had them. But the majority (even for sake of argument ifs its only 51% majority) of 'These are now our days, grandpa' generation is for, in some form, the things that are 'different and forced' in your eyes.
And media, movies, social profiting companies, like they ALWAYS do. Will falsely bind to whatever sells the 18-30 are talking about needs change. |
sure, Jan. we went from those filthy n words with a hard r to those filthy whites.
to sum up. media hasn't changed since the 60s.
strong women have always been available. written well. executed well. and provided a strong message. it becomes an issue when being a strong woman is being a proud whore, having a harem of men, and having abortions just so you can continue fucking around without taking time off.
look at tv from the 50s-60s. sure housewives but they ran a house. they were strong and independent and tackled issues.
70s-80s also had strong women, and focused on healthy strong familial bond.
90s shifted from that slightly, it was ok to be single, and strong and have emotional breakdowns.
that's why married with children worked for so many people, it showed that even a broken family loves each other. you had the strong independent wife, Peggy, a hard working father, slut of the week daughter, incel brother. and they still, even when they hated who they were, what they stood for, were there for each other. strong familial bond made a come back. Malcolm in the middle did the same and improved on it.
so while you're correct on the societal evolution, you miss the mark on the media.
as a people we grow and evolve. are inner values grow and evolve. our values are instilled by our parents or lack thereof. media is meant to reflect that. and it did. now media is used to shape us. it became the babysitter they warned us about. outliers do exist. they're outliers because they're not majority. however add social media to the mix, outliers are seen as majority simply because everyone else doesn't give a fuck. those that do care are seen as a hateful minority. so as it reflects the "majority" it also shapes the minority (actual "majority")
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that's it. spoilered it all. I don't actually care. lol. the whole woke this woke that is ridiculous. if you call everything woke then you will assume everything is woke. and therefore everything is shit. without actually watching it.
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iconized wrote: | Live and let live is my life motto. |
a sober thought! that should be everyone's motto.
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I'm more of a "Death to the living" kind of guy tbh...
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2022 15:38 Post subject: |
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Stormwolf wrote: | "I'm not woke, but.." |
So I have to be FOR something, to disagree with those against it?
Such a binary outlook. Either with us or against it.
Is that the same logic that if I say it silly to threaten a hasty war with china, I am pro China?
Not sure how many ways I can say I think the "Woke Warriors" are deranged, just as much as those that foam at the mouth when they do the smallest thing they can mock and rabble about with fellow anti-woke warriors.
Like I said in the first one, Its like watching the stiff suits of the 60's vs the overly enthusiastic hippies heckle and mock each other.
While normal people, doing normal life, walk past on the street seeing them yell at each other "Get a real job you pot smoking hippie! And take a god damn bath!"..."YEA? Well you stop your cooperate greed that is killing mother Gaia! Try just talking to mother nature, she can tell you what she needs"
As some of us would have wanted to stop and put clown noses on them both to warn others.
@WaldoJ
For some of yours, like which TV shows was good to you, you are using counter examples of your own opinion, to imply general sentiment was the same as yours.
There was boycotts of ABC and CBS by the..status qou... types(? not sure the right term). That TV was showing stuff they didnt like, and seemed to be trying to pander to poor urban minorities and they would not stand for it.
Was a few stories of people in electronic stores changing the channel on TVs on display if Sandford and Son was on. (One person did it, it was reported on and then copy cats did it..didnt last long but it happened).
And maybe its a difference in take on the media/consumable content part since you work in it vs me. So you see the the whole as a basis, I see the end result that has been strained out and presented.
I have the exact opposite stance. People shape media more than it shapes them. The action is both ways, neither wholly good. BUT media plays what people want to see, they want the biggest income they can get so do what the people want. They make whats popular, and what is popular the people pick.
IF what the people want is shit, give them 110% shit. News stations cater to thier audience, the audience watches the one they like more, that news station fragments more into an echo chamber...repeat.
They make a reality show about celebrities, people watch the fuck out of it, so make more shitty reality shows about celebrities. People pick the path media as a whole goes down, media just picks which attractions on that road the tourist ride goes down to point out.
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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2022 18:23 Post subject: |
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no idea how this reply slipped my mind in my last post...old age and distractions suck
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incorrect. the shift changes every other generation. right now what you're seeing is what adults like us, older adults assume 18-30 demographic wants. it's hello fellow kids. still tackles values/ideas we value, but written with wazzups and holla back girl because that's what tiktok tells executives that it is what children like.
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I stand corrected. I was off on the distance of time over generalizing to a 'round' number that gave the wrong speed of the change.
It is roughly every 20 years, as the 20 something's turn 40, and the ones growing up become adults. Now that IS a fluid replace, not a tiered step of at 20 years it changes. But more that after 20 years those things that are ever evolving standards and what we grew to hold as mundane and socially established, has finished its transition out of the 'pool' giving way to those growing up to adults to establish new ones, or alter existing ones.
Overall I feel the in the end will be the predicable result we always get over social issues that flare up (warranted or not):
It will move in the direction of change. Just not as much as some hoped, and more than the other side wanted.
The quote somewhat rings true here too: “It only takes 20 years for a liberal to become a conservative without changing a single idea.”
Because what was liberal 20 years ago is not so much liberal anymore, and the new changes brought by those after you is different and evolved from what you still hold to. What was progressive 20 years ago is the 'middle ground norm' now.
-We don't control what happens to us in life, but we control how we respond to what happens in life.
-Hard times create strong men, strong men create good times, good times create weak men, and weak men create hard times. -G. Michael Hopf
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Posted: Sat, 20th Aug 2022 21:01 Post subject: |
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Being liberal stands for humanism, enlightenment values, universal rights, equality (not equity) and objectivity. That hasn't changed much.
Critical social justice on the other hand is illiberal and authoritarian. And gaining a lot of influence.
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You mean the field (I guess it's the academic field you're writing about) in itself is essentially authoritarian, or rather that the use of some of its hypothesises being made by certain groups is akin to authoritarianism ?
Would you rather not have it whatsoever ?
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I'd say it is the latter. Those theories - when being applied in practice appear to take an authoritarian turn. Well intentioned maybe, but leading down a worrisome path. While relegated to academic discourse, they were mostly harmless.
Most that is now considered woke started as an academic field under the umbrella of postmodern critical theories. Postcolonial studies, Critical race theory, Intersectional feminism, Queer theory, Fat studies...they are all based on the same framework. Now we have corporate ESG goals, DEI officers placed in every institution and woke-hijacked SEL in schools. I'd rather not have that in practice no. I want back to classical liberalism as defined above.
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But the nontrivial underlying root cause (along with many other interconnected causes we cannot ignore too) of all those admittedly abhorrent examples of how they are tackling it Shocktrooper, are from the pressure cooker concept:
A suppressed, frowned upon, or taboo state of being exploding violently once a critical point of slow boil is reached, and a weakness in the walls of the pot is found to not be able to withhold it.
I am in no way condoning such militaristic or authoritarian approach to force acknowledgment of states of being. But is just a natural human quirk/flaw/path of reasoning that if you was once behind a door fearful of opening it, when you realize you can crack the door and its safer than it was before, you kick it open and walk out defiantly. While those that was outside the whole time wonder what your deal is about being so dramatic and theatrical about such a simple action of coming out of a door.
Like one conversation with a dude I know about "Why do gays now how to announce to the world they are gay? I Dont do that about being straight?"
I get it, it is tiresome. And no you don't have to say you are straight but if the subject comes up, you have had the ease of mentioning you are without any worry of saying it..or displaying it, or people knowing it. So you do not feel an urge to say it all the time. Since its apropos for you to at any given moment.
Vs to them its been a stigma and pause in conversation usually as people stop to ponder they said they are something that wasnt 'expected norm'.
So now they can they, in a sense (right or wrongly) want to make up for all the lost time they couldn't. And maybe even if just metaphorically, feel what its like to say it at the drop of a hat and have no one react (Which when doing it so as above, causes the opposite effect of a reaction because its done so much).
A reaction of feeling once what was shameful to be, is now a sense of pride, even if only in thier own heads, they are proud to not have to hide it anymore so perhaps go overboard.
When being different is no longer a taboo: Those that was different flaunt what was hidden about them, until by natural progression of dulling of the social norm its not different anymore.
Is it always right to do so? (Fat acceptance, body normalization, etc). No. But people that are repressed (by thier own hand of becoming that way, or born that way) and see themselves lower than what they see around them as norm. Will want to rush in and 'join the normal people' even if it means they feel the need to remind everyone that its becoming normal to 'be' that thing.
IF it becoming normal is good is a different discussion as woke as a term has such a wide swiss army knife application we cannot blanket call them all good.
This is about why they act they way they do when they get a glimmer of they can proudly walk around like everyone else has without feeling judged, and those that are not on board resisting it because of the emergent property of the the pressure cooker exploding and saying all that noise and shrapnel wasnt really necessary now was it?
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Shocktrooper wrote: | Being liberal stands for humanism, enlightenment values, universal rights, equality (not equity) and objectivity. That hasn't changed much.
Critical social justice on the other hand is illiberal and authoritarian. And gaining a lot of influence. |
mmm, Kamala Harris is pushing equity in murica thanks to the new billions they printed.
40 years ago you'd be right. heck, Obama era too. you'd be correct. somehow, somewhere liberalism no longer means what it used to. people still say it means all those things, but actions speak louder than words.
edit- guys my thumb hurts scrolling through this page.
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@DXWarlock You mostly describe a movement of the past. Acknowledgement was necessary. Pride is fine. Getting it rubbed in your face after being
taboo in the past may be an annoyance, but it is understandable. But we're past that now.
The current phase is mainly about dismantling perceived systems of oppression and getting revenge. "The only remedy to past discrimination is present discrimination"
This is not a valid justification.
We've moved from coexistence to antagonism.
"Patriarchy", whiteness, heteronormativity are considered the enemy. The goal is to deconstruct and replace with new, equally oppressive systems that adhere to their ideology. There is also a lot of engineering going on with language. According to Theory language creates reality and that is why it is important to control language and the resulting discourses. These are just some examples of the points where it becomes illiberal and authoritarian.
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Again, no different than the 60's out of all of the decades as the best example.
People seem to misremember the hippies and such as being peaceful protestors doing sit ins and prayer circles to push the cause.
There was widespread confrontations, both political and physical between both sides. The Free Love side vandalizing buildings, CEO's cars, military statues. Also attacking business workers in suits and forcing some businesses to close temporarily because they sold items made by (or for) the 'evil other side'. While the other side called police, used firehoses, got into physical fights with the free love and world movement hippies outside their businesses if they was protesting violently or not.
Granted not ALL of them was/doing that. But the movement had a LOT of that from it.
The ENTIRE 60's movement was about dismantling perceived systems of oppression and getting revenge. Just because it was all flower power and make love not war PR spun by its mass members, does not mean the core was not to literally use the term that did "Down with the man, man!".
The whole persona and prom dress the movement wore was done with a lot of engineering with language.
And not sure where in history coexistence was the main consensus you are speaking of. I dont mean that in an attacking way. As the 60's 70's 80's 90's counter culture movement for change was all about "we deserve equal, nay demand it so we will just take it or remove those that stop us": Malcom X, Timothy Leary followers, The whole sentiment about original punk music, etc.
I mean for just a decade to pick we might all know and remember: how many 90's alternative rock songs wasnt some form of RATMs lyric "Fuck you I wont do what you tell me". They had a song literally named "Take the Power Back".
Or a 2000's anthem Linkin Park "Every step that I take is another mistake to you...All I want to do Is be more like me And be less like you (You were just like me with someone disappointed in you)".
Repeat over and over..until humans are no more.
And counter culture will always be from the ones that feel the most misrepresented, shunned and attacked at the time. And also share the same sentiment: The way to fix what we see as a long running injustice, is to replace those long standing people doing the injustice. Because very view movements have the luck of getting a Martin Luther King like sensible person as the spokesman.
And now we are older, and comfortable with the world view we established. Not sure what all the hoopla about this now-a-days is, because we are not part of this now-a-days. Sure we are in the middle of it, but not part of it.
My best example is when people go: Where did all these LGBTQ people come from? Seems like in the last 10 years EVERYONE is one.
NO, just they was invisible before. They existed before, and others like them existed before them. Just we trained them to keep that 'flaw' from bothering us by knowing about it.
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Woke is not some movement, it's a shill / scam / scheme tactics from the government and from big corporations who chimes in for the ESG they get awarded with, they wash each other's back. Big difference from something like hippies, or punk or anything anti-government. Woke is 100% pro-government - it's their (fake) movement after all - and pro shill companies who put up Pride flags or write "BLM" or whatever happens to be the flavor of the month/day. Anyone who believes it's genuine in any capacity is a total moron.
Disabled LBTQ spiderperson
https://twitter.com/SierraWhiskey9/status/1561110028009910272
how many readers will that have? 100? It's a scheme, it's not done for reading or for selling x amount of copies.
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@vurt
So gays and minorities are making a movement, (checks notes..) so big corporations can make more money? They are not after equal rights after all this time, or being able to be open about themselves in public. They started a movement so big business can squander more money from them by shilling them.
Makes sense to me. Because when I feel I am tired of being marginalized, first thing I do is make sure I help orchestrate businesses can shill me out of my money.
You have the right idea, but backwards on the cause.
Big business is blindly pandering to them BECAUSE people made it such a big deal. Not that its just a big deal because big business arbitrarily started pandering to them. Marketing teams and PR departments might be out of touch, but they are not stupid. They know to aim at whatever the people are making a statement on.
Mislead statement or or not. The businesses do not care if the cause is realistic, they care if the cause seems to have enough steam to hop on the bandwagon and sells products.
Businesses do not make directed advert bandwagons to jump onto. They jump on bandwagons already moving with thier bag of adverts.
Its like saying the Ukraine war happened because businesses starting adding "stand with Ukraine" shallow pandering slogans way before a war was know and that thier pandering caused the events.. And not what happened: The events caused the pandering.
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Why is climate included in this one btw?
shitloads of new stuff in my pc. Cant keep track of it all.
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While i personally don't have enough personal experience to call that any sort of woke, i wouldn't be surprised if the same nutters are big on this also
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Posted: Mon, 22nd Aug 2022 07:36 Post subject: |
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DXWarlock wrote: | @vurt
So gays and minorities are making a movement, (checks notes..) so big corporations can make more money? |
If you really think the Woke ""movement"" belongs to minorities and LGBTQ you haven't understood anything. It's mostly a made-up movement, BLM is a total shit movement too similarly to Woke, 100% made for profit and to get people elected / make person X,Y more influential. The "Buy More Mansions" meme is totally legit. It's often the same people involved with these movements when it comes to sponsoring it, and the government is always in 100% support. How often in history did we have government funded + supported movements. It's not even close to genuine.
But yes you are an example of why it kind of works, some people do believe it's a hip movement and some follow it and advocate it, when all they're doing is basically saying "buy Coca Cola! buy Sony products! Support political person X and Y!" while thinking they're supporting something good against "nazis".
If you want to understand better it you should look more into how China often operates with their people, this is exactly in that fashion...
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