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 Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 00:00 Post subject: Anyone ever have a GPU driver shut your system down? |
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Built a new system for a Ryzen 5900x and been constantly crashing. Went through everything I could think of before saying fuck it and got a new motherboard coming.
HWInfo has a crash logger and my buddy looked through it and couldn't find anything. Windows error event thing said it was something like x8000000000000 or whatever which was something along the lines of a shitty install on the redists from MS.
Did the sfc scan now and it found some fucked up shit, games still crashed.
Just updated the driver that came out a few days ago and hasn't crashed at all.
Halo Infinite couldn't get passed the title screen. Occasionally I could get into the game but then it would shut my system down.
I've been in the game for 40 minutes, restarted the computer, loaded it back up, can't get the system to crash now.
Been fucking with computers for 20 years and never once have I seen a GPU driver shut a system down.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 01:00 Post subject: |
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Previous driver crashed system.
Updated driver no crash.
So yes, I assumed it was a driver issue
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tonizito
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 01:08 Post subject: |
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AMDerp GPU? One of my friends, a huuuuge AMDerp fanboi at that, has been telling me some horror stories with drivers for his RX5700 for quite a while now 
| boundle (thoughts on cracking AITD) wrote: | | i guess thouth if without a legit key the installation was rolling back we are all fucking then |
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 01:19 Post subject: |
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| SpykeZ wrote: | Previous driver crashed system.
Updated driver no crash.
So yes, I assumed it was a driver issue |
Could be power supply also, and old driver didn't control wattage as well as new one, or new one tweaks wattage down a bit with same performance due to optimization. And you was on the edge range of what triggered the PSU to trip/fail safe turn itself off.
Might be that, remember CPU and GPU listed wattage usage can be WAY more than that based on your auto overclock/overdrive settings. And they are usually on in the bios by default, at least some of it.
My 6800xt says 300 watts. changing a 1080ti to it in my system was tripping a 800w power supply which was way over what a 6800xt and a 5600x should need. A kill-o-watt between my system and the wall would spike to 850(ish) in games [but that is wall output, so input wattage, not DC converted to system pull some loss between the two but still pushing the safe output limit into the system side]. I got a 900 and no more issues.
I have never seen a driver shut down a system. Not saying I have seen it all though, who knows.
Have seen it blue screen, crash, and such. But if you mean full on 'like pulling the power plug' shutdown. I doubt its software related.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 01:32 Post subject: |
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I had HWInfo logging multiple times before the shut down. The voltages never got whacky. Everything was where it was supposed to be.
Still got all the same hardware outside MB/CPU. Went from an i7-8700K to the 5900x but the power draw on the cpu wasn't even spiking, i was crashing at the title screen with like 5% cpu usage. I've got a Seasonic X series 750 watt, thing has never hiccupped and I know it's not the issue.
I'm going to go with your driver issue on fucking with voltages cause that's the only thing that makes fucking sense.
| tonizito wrote: | | AMDerp GPU? One of my friends, a huuuuge AMDerp fanboi at that, has been telling me some horror stories with drivers for his RX5700 for quite a while now |
GTX 1080ti
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DXWarlock
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Long as it works now: If it's not broke dont fix it.
Id say if its stable now, let it be. Investigate further if it starts again.
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 01:41 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | if it starts again. |
If it starts again, it's going out the window lol. |
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 07:22 Post subject: |
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It could be the CPU too. I read some of these 5xxx throw whea errors pretty fast even without Ram OC, so that happens too.
But I guess that wasn’t it for you. Glad it works now!
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| Posted: Wed, 1st Jun 2022 13:01 Post subject: |
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| DXWarlock wrote: | | SpykeZ wrote: | Previous driver crashed system.
Updated driver no crash.
So yes, I assumed it was a driver issue |
Could be power supply also, and old driver didn't control wattage as well as new one, or new one tweaks wattage down a bit with same performance due to optimization. And you was on the edge range of what triggered the PSU to trip/fail safe turn itself off.
Might be that, remember CPU and GPU listed wattage usage can be WAY more than that based on your auto overclock/overdrive settings. And they are usually on in the bios by default, at least some of it.
My 6800xt says 300 watts. changing a 1080ti to it in my system was tripping a 800w power supply which was way over what a 6800xt and a 5600x should need. A kill-o-watt between my system and the wall would spike to 850(ish) in games [but that is wall output, so input wattage, not DC converted to system pull some loss between the two but still pushing the safe output limit into the system side]. I got a 900 and no more issues.
I have never seen a driver shut down a system. Not saying I have seen it all though, who knows.
Have seen it blue screen, crash, and such. But if you mean full on 'like pulling the power plug' shutdown. I doubt its software related. |
100% this 
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As opposed to DX changing his GPU, SpykeZ changed to a new CPU. And while the 5900X consumes roughly 40W more at full load than his previous 8700X, I don't believe that the new system suddenly produces spikes that would make the PSU fail just like that. Not with the new CPU alone and not with the headroom available with 750W.
And whats more, any modern PSU can handle spikes way over its rated wattage or its a shit PSU. (which this isn't or its severely degraded)
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Jun 2022 05:21 Post subject: |
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aaaaaaaaaaand the issue is back. System shut down while I was using steam link to my TV playing sleeping dogs.
What in the ever loving fuck. The one god damn time I decide to not go Gigabyte and use Asus that's been on my black list for 15 years and I have nothing but issues.
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couleur
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Jun 2022 08:17 Post subject: |
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System crash sounds more like a CPU or Ram issue to me.
You could test Ram with some tool like Testmem5 .
I know its tedious. But it could be the CPU too. If per chance you happen to know someone with a 5xxx CPU, you could swap it for a while and see what happens.
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| Posted: Fri, 10th Jun 2022 09:36 Post subject: |
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Random shutdowns might be caused by faulty PSU or motherboards VRM. Especially if the shutdown happens at load. Installing drivers -> causes more load in system -> crash.
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| Posted: Tue, 21st Jun 2022 05:45 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | System crash sounds more like a CPU or Ram issue to me.
You could test Ram with some tool like Testmem5 .
I know its tedious. But it could be the CPU too. If per chance you happen to know someone with a 5xxx CPU, you could swap it for a while and see what happens. |
memtest came back fine.
I've already put the cpu under prime95 for a while, nothing.
Might borrow a gpu when I can to see if it's that, though I doubt it because it's never been an issue until I upgraded. I'm blaming the motherboard, fucking Asus. |
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 21:11 Post subject: |
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Well I said fuck it and swapped that pile of shit Asus out of my system and replaced it with the Gigabyte I should have bought in the first place and no shut downs yet. Hell even my cpu is running 10C cooler with lower fan speeds. I thought I just had bad mounts on my Asus and remounted it like 2 times just to be sure.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 22:52 Post subject: |
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My vote would be bad PSU.
PC: Yes. Console: No.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 23:28 Post subject: |
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Sounds almost like my problems that took me over 1 week to figure out (literally swapped every single part in my rig), it was a bad CPU lol (never had CPU fail on me). The 5900X degraded so much in less than 2 years that it would not work anymore on idle voltages, would freeze or reboot whole system on windows desktop, disabling C-states made it work on idle, the CPU worked fine on gaming or when it was stressed enough tho, so it was so hard to find real problem, it could have been anything in the system. The CPU also behaved differently on another mobo, would not even boot to windows.
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 23:38 Post subject: |
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I've been having similar issues for a while with the Zen2 system. Random reboots under idle, never under load. I'm afraid to start re-buying components without identifying the problem first.
Is there a clear indicator for a faulty CPU?
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| Posted: Tue, 30th Aug 2022 23:49 Post subject: |
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something like not managing to start your pc. Last time i had a faulty cpu nothing happened when i pressed the power button
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 14:29 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | I've been having similar issues for a while with the Zen2 system. Random reboots under idle, never under load. I'm afraid to start re-buying components without identifying the problem first.
Is there a clear indicator for a faulty CPU? |
Disable C-states from bios (it will force your CPU not going to to the very lowest idle voltages), if it works without crashing idle, then it is the CPU. Seems that these modern AMD Ryzens degrades pretty fast, so they will need more voltages to be stable at stock clocks, especially idle voltages. To me this seems to be pretty bad problem, CPU should last more than 2 years lol.
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| Posted: Wed, 31st Aug 2022 17:46 Post subject: |
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| me7 wrote: | I've been having similar issues for a while with the Zen2 system. Random reboots under idle, never under load. I'm afraid to start re-buying components without identifying the problem first.
Is there a clear indicator for a faulty CPU? |
I remember an old intel I had long ago core two duo, or core quad..cant remember. Anyway after a point it would refuse to boot if it wasnt overclocked. Weirdest thing: no voltage changes, or any bios tweaks other than core speed to 'fix' it.
If I left it at default, it would crash loading windows. Overclock it like 15% ran fine for years.
Luckily I have had zero issues with CPUs since then. on 5700x now for last 2 years overclocked a hair and undervolted.
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| Posted: Thu, 1st Sep 2022 06:31 Post subject: |
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| Areius wrote: | | My vote would be bad PSU. |
I don't know how many times it's had to be said it's not my PSU. It was a Asus' typical pile of shit quality control. Stopped using them 15 years ago, first time I buy a shit Asus product since, I have nothing but issues. Swap my normal Gigabyte back, 0 issues. |
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