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vurt
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i've been thinking about doing that for years but the money always seems to go to something else. i have a bookmark of a good water filtration system somewhere.. costs a bit but seems to be worth it.
teflon is also everywhere, started with one entire city getting cancer from it (watch Dark Waters), now it's absolutely everywhere.. they've tested people all around the world and everyone has that crap in them.
you can't dwell on this shit too much though, gets you down. but it's also good to not be completely naive.
and, no fruits will not filter it out via the roots, this is why when you grow your own stuff (vegetables, weed, whatever..) you should be careful of what you put into the ground, natural fertilizers are good, chemical ones, not so much, you need to grow it organic. you can even give fruits or weed extra flavor via chemical fertilizers.. im sure that's used a lot, so yes, they take that stuff in, but the particles needs to be small.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 19:22 Post subject: Re: microplastics |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | [...]
at this rate u can only trust fluids from fruits to be plastic free "clean" , as all animals n fish also consuming it. Or would juicy fruits like water melon also be tainted, id hope the earth and their roots filter it out ? |
I would like to think yes, but I don't think its that easy.
Its really amazing how a century of shitting out billions over billions of tons of fossile based synthetics and fuels has polluted and tainted the entire ecosystem of this planet. And somehow idiots still can't fathom that there even is an ecosystem and will never understand the scale of the production and pollution.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 19:33 Post subject: |
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Most of the really harmful pollution is done by a hundred or so companies if I remember correctly. So don't let em take it out on us by imposing stupid laws that fuck with our use of combustion cars. The switch to electric needs to happen naturally overtime when the electricity itself is mostly all clean energy. Not through increased taxes and restrictions on cars and travel.
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couleur
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 19:35 Post subject: |
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| FireMaster wrote: | | Most of the really harmful pollution is done by a hundred or so companies if I remember correctly. So don't let em take it out on us by imposing stupid laws that fuck with our use of combustion cars. |
But but, we need to sell you a brand new irreparable e-car that you will need to update every few years for more happy consumption.
"Enlightenment is man's emergence from his self-imposed nonage. Nonage is the inability to use one's own understanding without another's guidance. This nonage is self-imposed if its cause lies not in lack of understanding but in indecision and lack of courage to use one's own mind without another's guidance. Dare to know! (Sapere aude.) "Have the courage to use your own understanding," is therefore the motto of the enlightenment."
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 19:37 Post subject: |
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I'm counting on them to use a BS green angle to accelerate their market share dominance not just in cars but many fronts but fuck em. I'm not riding a smartphone on wheels anytime soon until it makes actual sense.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 19:38 Post subject: |
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| couleur wrote: | | PickupArtist wrote: | [...]
at this rate u can only trust fluids from fruits to be plastic free "clean" , as all animals n fish also consuming it. Or would juicy fruits like water melon also be tainted, id hope the earth and their roots filter it out ? |
I would like to think yes, but I don't think its that easy. |
The soil is definitely not a filter, quite the opposite, and neither are fruits and vegetables. in fact we rely on fruits to take up stuff like MSM and other important nutrients from the soil, but the soils are getting worse and worse which in turn makes the vegetables and fruits we consume rather useless apart from their fibers.. it's very expensive to fertilize the now crappy soils, you can still get fruits and vegetables by ignoring it, but the end product is kind of useless. I use a MSM supplement (among many other ones).
About cancer and longevity it's good to read up about what cleanses your body and what can regenerate cells (autophagy is good, do water fasting for at least 48h every now and then, everyone can learn this even if its hard in the beginning).
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Nalo
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:12 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:22 Post subject: |
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"what cleanses your body and what can regenerate cells "
yes sources please cause this sounds like straight from some homeopathic snakeoil scammer textbook
only the kidneys cleanse, nothing else ... and guess what kidneys need ... water
and i think our guts are full of this microfibers by now with no way to get them out
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:24 Post subject: |
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Yeah I'm not sure how dehydration is helpful in anyway to the body. That's how you get kidney stones.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:29 Post subject: |
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| Nalo wrote: | @vurt "Water fasting good for long term heath"
Citation needed. |
https://www.bluezones.com/2018/10/fasting-for-health-and-longevity-nobel-prize-winning-research-on-cell-aging/#:~:text=Japanese%20cell%20biologist%20Yoshinori%20Ohsumi,content%2C%20a%20process%20called%20autophagy.
you can just google autophagy then you can choose source yourself, it's much better that's why i didn't include any link...
and no it's not snake oil, he won the nobel price for proving how it works.
@firemaster water fasting is not dehydration since you drink several litres of water + a tiny bit of salt. if you mean dry fasting (= not drinking water either for several days) its not something i would try.. i've seen a crazy youtuber who did that and he worked out too... idiot.. i would never do that.
water fasting is really interesting, you get a ton of energy and i usually get horny as hell  seems like it's very anabolic. you use your fat reserve which just gives way better / more efficient energy than food. its how we are supposed to function, we are not meant to eat all day, it's very new to humans.
we have a fat reserve for a reason. you can water fast for a year if you are _very_ fat / obese... I watched a YT documentary about a guy who did that, but he had medical supervision throughout, which is a must if you go for a long time, it can be dangerous, salt is very important to take. i've only done around 56h.
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:46 Post subject: |
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"you use your fat reserve which just gives way better / more efficient energy than food. its how we are supposed to function, we are not meant to eat all day, it's very new to humans.
we have a fat reserve for a reason. you can water fast for a year if you are _very_ fat / obese... I watched a YT documentary about a guy who did that, but he had medical supervision throughout, which is a must if you go for a long time, it can be dangerous, salt is very important to take. i've only done around 56h."
this sounds more like KETO, which is diet based and requires a LIFELONG commitment to certain foods avoiding sugars/carbs, not really anything to do with water ? Many people do/try keto but many fall back to carbs , in stead of fats because so much food is full of carbs/sugars, body doesnt switch to fats overnight, it takes like a week of feeling like shit
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 20:54 Post subject: |
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| PickupArtist wrote: | "you use your fat reserve which just gives way better / more efficient energy than food. its how we are supposed to function, we are not meant to eat all day, it's very new to humans.
we have a fat reserve for a reason. you can water fast for a year if you are _very_ fat / obese... I watched a YT documentary about a guy who did that, but he had medical supervision throughout, which is a must if you go for a long time, it can be dangerous, salt is very important to take. i've only done around 56h."
this sounds more like KETO, which is diet based and requires a LIFELONG commitment to certain foods avoiding sugars/carbs, not really anything to do with water ? Many people do/try keto but many fall back to carbs , in stead of fats because so much food is full of carbs/sugars, body doesnt switch to fats overnight, it takes like a week of feeling like shit |
No, Keto is not fasting for 48h. I find keto hard to do too but i did it for around a year. keto is a high fat and protein diet. im not sure keto is that good tbh, i've read both good and bad. water fasting isn't something you do every week or something like that, i do it perhaps every 2-3 months but i do try to do a serious one (48h+).
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 21:40 Post subject: |
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Used to be you'd boil your drinking water to be sure but with microplastics it might make it worse. Best thing for that is a good quality filter.
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vurt
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| Posted: Wed, 28th Apr 2021 22:07 Post subject: |
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mm interesting, not sure i have the willpower, especialy at night , hungry and not able to sleep , ugh sounds like torture |
like everything you have to train to get good at it, fasting is no different. if you are unused to fasting you have to try for 8-12h several times, get good at that, then just increase. Every time its easier until its just a thing and the body isn't yelling as loud for the "fix".
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Nalo
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DXWarlock
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2021 13:33 Post subject: |
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I do the 12-24 hour fasting by accident  I usually only eat once a day, maybe twice if hungry.
I can't remember the last time I had breakfast, lunch is rarely. Now I do have a big dinner but that's usually my food for the day. Think its from back when I did 12 hour a day construction...Id rather sleep than eat breakfast back then, and lunch was just resting, too damn hot and tired in the florida heat to want to eat lunch. And just got 'stuck' that way.
But my take on it is fasting/keto/etc is one of those 1/2 myth 1/2 truth things. As far as I can tell looking into it (my son had a phase where he wanted to do it).
It's marginal and situational returns based on contentious medical data [IE not unanimous in the medical field for the extents of the claims made], such as autophagy, it IS a thing. But it is a separate biological event describing what/how cells can repair and clean up damaged 'ends', that fasting is attributed with causing. When it's the term in which cells can repair that is autonomous, that fasting MAY partially induce in some people.
It's like saying fuel combustion is the act of moving a vehicle forward. When the correct context to say it is a vehicle is moved forward by USE of fuel combustion. (Things can burn without needing a car, but a car needs fuel to move).
Then mix with selective bias of anecdotal correlation results that are real, but magnified by desire to attribute all results to it of those that practice it. Causing a circular loop of those that do sharing the above positive medical data amplifying it to be taken as conclusive.
That the variables of more than just the fasting in that particular person plays more of an effect than the act of fasting. The same way someone that want to be healthier and goes on a diet, stops smoking, and drinking sugar might accidently attribute being less winded to mostly the fact of losing weight. It does play a part but the act of stopping smoking, probably played a bigger factor.
It's easier to rationalize and attribute positive change to things you actively started doing that are daily conscious decisions to do that take effort, vs things you chose once to stop doing.
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vurt
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2021 15:23 Post subject: |
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Cell repair / exchange and cleaning is an ongoing process for humans, it happens all the time, but it's very slow. Autophagy makes the process much quicker/more extreme. But you need to fast for around ~48h for it to kick in.
Getting rid of bad cells can prevent cancers and it gets rid of inflammation among other things. They discovered autophagy in the 60's, but it's just now in the more recent years they have proven more how it really works, but they still don't know everything about it.
Letting the body rest from all the processes that contributes to eating is a really nice feeling, i can recommend everyone to try it.. of course what's not nice at first is that you will quickly also realize how much of a drug eating is, how addicted you are to eating when you don't eat for 24h. The body will scream to you that it wants the fix, and not because you are dying of starvation, it's withdrawal symptoms and changing to a new source of energy (fat). You can break it like any other addiction, and that's always a good thing.
It's also interesting to go from glucose energy usage to fat as a source of energy, you can definitely feel the change, it's kind of like using a drug, you do get hyper and can have difficulties with sleep, mood will likely increase (it does for me). But it's not a feeling that feels "forced" like it can feel on e.g amphetamines or similar.
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vurt
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| Posted: Thu, 29th Apr 2021 16:42 Post subject: |
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it's especially important for the brain, the brain is all fat, replacing it with good unsaturated fats can be a good idea.
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