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 Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 08:31 Post subject: ARM macs |
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Anyone getting that new Arm Air? I need something new and don't want another Windows shitbox
https://www.theverge.com/2020/11/10/21552828/apple-macbook-air-arm-m1-chip-laptop-specs-price-release-date
| Quote: | | But Apple says the it’s faster than “98 percent of PC laptops sold in the last year.” It’s also up to 3.5 times faster than the MacBook Air released earlier this year, with up to five times faster graphics performance, nine times faster machine learning workloads, and two times faster SSD performance, per the company. Apple didn’t say how it measured these differences. |
| Quote: | Apple says you’ll get the longest battery life ever on a MacBook Air, with 15 hours of wireless web browsing and 18 hours of video playback to a charge, an increase of four and six hours, respectively, compared to the MacBook Air with an Intel chip. There’s no fan inside, so it should run noiselessly as well. (But we’ll have to see about the heat.)
In terms of specs, the new Air comes with the same 13.3-inch 2560 x 1600 Retina display with P3 wide color gamut support and 400 nits of brightness, a backlit Magic Keyboard and up to 16GB of memory and 2TB of storage. It supports Wi-Fi 6, Bluetooth 5.0, and Touch ID. There are two USB-C ports (which support charging, DisplayPort, Thunderbolt 3, and USB 3.1 Gen 2) as well as a headphone jack. |
Apart from the million-and-one applications that will no longer work, are there any other likely downsides? It sounds pretty good and I only need it for script writing / emails etc, nothing fancy.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 08:38 Post subject: |
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Have you seen macOS Bug Sir? It’s rancid. I won’t be touching those.
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 08:40 Post subject: |
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Regarding “apps not working”, wtf are you talking about? It has a dynamic translator which runs Intel code faster than Intel CPUs (in Macs). 
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 08:40 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 08:51 Post subject: |
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The difference being that all software runs here, whereas nothing ran on RT. 
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 09:33 Post subject: |
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So how quick is this thing? "Faster than 98% of the laptops sold last year" they say... I assume the AMD and Intel U series sell more than just 2% so... do they claim that these are faster than f.e. a ryzen 4500u?
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 09:34 Post subject: |
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I will be definately getting the new Mac Mini to pair with my iPad Pro for photo editing. Affinity Photo, Lightroom etc.. they work so god damn good on the iPad Pro, its amazing.
| LeoNatan wrote: | | Have you seen macOS Bug Sir? It’s rancid. I won’t be touching those. |
What bug?
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 09:43 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Wed, 11th Nov 2020 09:59 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 08:08 Post subject: |
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https://www.macrumors.com/2020/11/11/m1-macbook-air-first-benchmark/
Not bad for a small laptop with no fans. And this is their first step into the desktop CPU game.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 08:28 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 09:16 Post subject: |
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Honestly for a small portably office machine and the occasional Photo edit, this is quite good.
I've been a happy MBA user since 2009 (got a new one in 2015). At work, I need a thing that just does what it needs to do and this has never let me down.
But it becomes very difficult to justify a new purchase, when the old machine still works.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:01 Post subject: |
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The single core speed beats a 5950x.
My 3800x has ~1,350 points single core and 10,000 multi core. Mathematically 8 cores at 1,350 should lead to 10,800 points but there is some overhead which results in a ~93% efficiency. Let's assume the same efficiency for the 4 firestorm cores of the m1:
1,687 * 4 * .93 ~= 6,276 points out of 7,433 points. So the rest has to be the icestorm cores... let's calculate their single core speed by also assuming that the difference is the result of a 93% efficiency:
((7,433 - 6,276) / .93) / 4 = 311 points performance per icestorm core
So the firestorm cores are significantly quicker (in geekbench 5) than allmost all high end consumer desktop cpus and the icestorm cores are at a 5th of the speed of the firestorm ones and on par with some old snapdragon/chromebook/celeron n processors.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:13 Post subject: |
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It’s still a very limited baby CPU. There is a hard limit right now on total memory (16GB) due to how the memory architecture is built on the CPU die. So future CPUs will be much more interesting. Also, this slow/fast cores does nothing for me. Show me many cores at full speed, compare it to Threadripper/Epyc, and then I’ll be impressed.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:29 Post subject: |
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Why do you want to compare the computational power of an ultra lightweight laptop with that of a server CPU?
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:29 Post subject: |
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| Interinactive wrote: | | Nice! If the cooling isn't as abysmal as their previous Air, I'll definitely get one |
It will be interesting to see did they replaced Air's crappy TN panel with IPS or some other. Airs' displays were definitely one of their weakest links.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:50 Post subject: |
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It has DCI-P3 wide color gamut display, so it has to be good IPS panel.
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 10:54 Post subject: |
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| PumpAction wrote: | | Why do you want to compare the computational power of an ultra lightweight laptop with that of a server CPU? |
Where did I say that?
I said, these CPUs, introduced for laptops, do nothing for me. I have a laptop, and it's fast enough already. Also, I never disconnect it from power, so couldn't give a toss about batter life. I do want to see what they can do on a proper computer, not a shitty laptop. |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 11:00 Post subject: |
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OK, I get it, you want to see what a big boy design of M1 could offer compared to the big boys from AMD and Intel.
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| escalibur wrote: | | It will be interesting to see did they replaced Air's crappy TN panel with IPS or some other. Airs' displays were definitely one of their weakest links. |
Apple hasn't shipped a TN panel in years. Airs ship with a high quality IPS since 2018. |
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| Posted: Thu, 12th Nov 2020 11:08 Post subject: |
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Last time I had a look at Airs they had a TN panel. It's nice to see that that has been fixed.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2020 08:34 Post subject: |
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Of course, the only difference between Air and Pro at this point is the ventilation system.
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| Posted: Wed, 18th Nov 2020 09:25 Post subject: |
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It is fucking amazing what these little things can do, Mac Mini with 8GB RAM in FCP runs Blackmagic Ursa 12K raw video with LUT without any skipped frames, jesus. Also the integrated GPU is very impressive, its like 1050Ti level and above, intel 11th gen Xe graphics cannot match it.
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