100Hz vs. 120Hz vs. 144Hz for gaming
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 09:43    Post subject: 100Hz vs. 120Hz vs. 144Hz for gaming
Coming from a 60Hz IPS monitor at 1200p with relatively good contrast and response times, I was going to upgrade to 3440x1440 in the near future.

I was upgrading to a high Hz monitor for some future proofness (6-8y, which is usually the time I keep my monitors) but the selection for this size is quite limited over 120Hz. Including 100Hz monitos means there is alot more choice on the market.

Is 100Hz compared to 120 or even 144Hz that bad and will I (who plays mostly single player RPGs) see such a mindblowing difference that its really worth it? Or is it just a gimmick?

I hear even browsing is better on high Hz monitors.

Opinions? Experiences?


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:03    Post subject:
its especially easy to compare if you have a 60 hz monitor next to a 120 or 144 one and just drag a window on the desktop from one monitor to the next.
it ruined 60 fps for me which feels like new 30 fps since then.
Once in a while I have to play a switch game like Deadly Premonition 2 to re-callibrate my expectations a bit Laughing
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:16    Post subject:
going from 60 to 100-120 is the biggest difference.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:28    Post subject:
going from 60 to 100-144 is the biggest difference.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:29    Post subject:
But... your eyes dont see more than 30 fps Cool Face
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:42    Post subject:
In conclusion: Going at least 100Hz is minimum but >120Hz would be better for futureproofness.

Thanks for the speedy replies guys. I will heed inter's advice and get at least 120Hz.



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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 10:53    Post subject:
I replaced all my 60hz monitor to 144/165hz ones. It is noticable. Is it something that "you can no longer 60hz"? no.

Good to have, but its marketing BS that you need a 100+Hz monitor.

Not to mention that in games it looks really good only if you can achieve the same FPS. Which probably won't happen. Or if yes, then that person probably won't ask the question "is it worth to buy 100+hz"

(Yes, I know old games would work at 100+ FPS)
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 11:49    Post subject:
I will obviously upgrade the GPU with the monitor. So +100 FPS shouldn’t be an issue in many games. Not all of them of course.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 12:22    Post subject:
Matching FPS to hz to see real benefits is bullshit myth that does the rounds to justifying blowing tons of dollars of SLI garbage. Regardless of FPS unless it's trash your going to get a better experience with higher hz screen. Especially now you have strobeing backlight, free/gsync technologies as standard on many PC monitors. Also Gsync is not worth extra money over freesync especially when it's hundreds of dollars difference.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 12:26    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
I will obviously upgrade the GPU with the monitor. So +100 FPS shouldn’t be an issue in many games. Not all of them of course.

What resolution?
1440p is still hard to reach 120FPS consistently in many games. If 1080p, I don’t know, I’d prefer a 1440p60 panel instead of a 1080p120.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 12:30    Post subject:
3440x1440, and as I said, its for the next 6-8 years. I may not reach 100 FPS consistently now but it will happen in 4 years and I play older games. Plus its a bonus in Windows.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 12:42    Post subject:
Right, for Windows and productivity, you will feel a difference, but that comes with an all other set of considerations. For example, buying a 5K display for desktop work will probably provide better advantage than HFR.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 13:22    Post subject:
Regular WQHD is already a BIIIIIIIG improvement compared to just 1080p, Ultrawide 1440p sounds like a dream Smile But don't go for a tiny monitor! I really enjoy my 32" WQHD Smile But it's at just 60hz Sad Oh and - I know it's just a personal opinion - don't pick a TN or VA Panel. Look out for some IPS.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 13:26    Post subject:
The only good specced and fast IPS on that resolution is an LG. Yeah, no.

Thats my main issue. Most of them are VA.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 14:01    Post subject:
Anything over 100 is great and you'll be fine, but you'll never be able to go back. I bring my laptop with me out of town on weekends I'm with my cousin and it's 60hz and I feel like I'm gaming on 30fps


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 14:44    Post subject:
I'm glad I can get a stable 60fps not-even-4K on my 4K screen, you bastards are talking about 144Hz Sad
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 15:12    Post subject:
u are all running behind with the times, tv gaming n working is what ive been doing for 6years + now , and ill never go back to tiny monitors especially with future tvs being that good replacing pc monitors completely, same panels anway, anything above 100 hrz doesnt really matter,. they even do a refresh comparison between the tv and the fastest 360hrz ips panel and the tv wins clearly



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How is oled handling windows desktop?
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 15:30    Post subject:
PickupArtist wrote:
u are all running behind with the times, tv gaming n working is what ive been doing for 6years + now , and ill never go back to tiny monitors especially with future tvs being that good replacing pc monitors completely, same panels anway, anything above 100 hrz doesnt really matter,. they even do a refresh comparison between the tv and the fastest 360hrz ips panel and the tv wins clearly



i m getting that one next week in 65" size Very Happy
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 15:48    Post subject:
What I've noticed with most monitor/display upgrades (as well as GPU-upgrades with new features) is that until you've experienced a better tech (higher res with higher refresh rate) for a while you don't know what you're missing and are content with what you have in case you don't have the budget to go 1440p+ with 120Hz+ display (which tend to require better GPU's with more horsepower as well which makes the budget demands for upgrading quite difficult to sort out for people like me with a limited income.

I'm still content with my 1080P IPS display and 1060 6GB and i5-8400 (it's still remarkably useful for a budget CPU and most games I play and apps I use don't seem to hit a CPU bottleneck). I've got a Z370 motherboard with proper bios updates so I could go 9900K if I had the money but at the moment I don't really need one since I'm content with my 8400.

Sure, I WANT a new 1440P/4K display with brilliant color vibrancy and 144hz as well as an RTX 3090 or the top RDNA2-based GPU from AMD as well as a highly overclockable 9900K or the top upcoming Zen3 AMD CPU etc. etc. but I have to ground myself in reality and get by with what I have and can afford to get. And since I don't have any personal experience with gaming/using higher end displays/GPU's I don't know what I'm missing and thus I'm pretty content with what I've got since I don't have any problems running most if not all games at 60fps with high settings (not mega-ultra settings though).


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 15:52    Post subject:
That's with almost anything in life really. The step up isn't really impressive, but when you use old tech again it's a kick in the balls. I'd love a more responsive screen since I've seen it in action a couple of times, but I also want to game at 4K.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 15:55    Post subject:
You can get re-used to anything. I went from 100hz (CRT) to 60Hz (TN) to 144Hz (TN) to 75Hz (VA).
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 16:13    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
That's with almost anything in life really. The step up isn't really impressive, but when you use old tech again it's a kick in the balls. I'd love a more responsive screen since I've seen it in action a couple of times, but I also want to game at 4K.


Nahh, often its enough just to see it. Screens are something else though. I never thought anything above 60 would be noticeable, but i was dead wrong. Others though still struggle seeing the difference between 30 and 60.
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 16:26    Post subject:
Mister_s wrote:
How is oled handling windows desktop?

Personally i love it (panasonic fzw 804, lg panel of course). I mostly sit in the dark and thus prefer unusually dark settings. On the other hand this tv has been my primary and only pc monitor since I had it and its been running for 6300 hours if Im reading the status information correctly (weird panasonic info screen).

I hope to switch to a 120Hz OLED display next year though Smile
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 16:26    Post subject:
No image retention from desktop and/or HUDs?
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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 16:37    Post subject:
Not even temporary so far. As a precaution I set my taskbar to hide automatically and sometimes browse the web in fullscreen (f11 mode).

I only sometimes see potential issues, only to never see them again a split second later or I confirm them to be in the source material. So it seems I have only imagined stuff for now.


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PostPosted: Thu, 22nd Oct 2020 16:38    Post subject:
couleur wrote:
3440x1440, and as I said, its for the next 6-8 years. I may not reach 100 FPS consistently now but it will happen in 4 years and I play older games. Plus its a bonus in Windows.


Well unless you ugprade to the new 3080 or 3090 (or its AMD counterpart) you wont do 100+ FPS in many games. Of course if you play games like:
-CS
-Tomb raider
-Doom eternal

Those will probably like 90000000000000000000 FPS with 1% GPU usage.
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