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 Posted: Mon, 23rd May 2005 23:56 Post subject: My New Rig - Looking For Feedback.... |
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Case - THERMALTAKE SHARK VA7000BWA Black Aluminum ATX Full Tower Computer Case - Retail
CPU - AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego Integrated into Chip FSB 1MB L2 Cache Socket 939 Processor - Retail
Motherboard - MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum SLI Socket 939 NVIDIA nForce4 SLI ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail
Power Supply - ENERMAX All in One Noisetaker Series EG701AX-VE SFMA(24P) ATX12V 600W Power Supply 90~265V(Adjusted Automatically) UL (Level 3), cUL (Level 3), VDE, CB, NEMKO, SEMKO, DEMKO, FIMKO - Retail
Graphics Card - eVGA 256-P2-N376-AX Geforce 6800GT 256MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI-Express x16 Video Card - Retail
Sound Card - CREATIVE Sound Blaster Audigy2 ZS SB0350 8 (7.1) Channels 24-bit 192KHz PCI Interface Sound Card - OEM
RAM - CORSAIR XMS 2GB (2 x 1GB) 184-Pin DDR SDRAM Unbuffered DDR 400 (PC 3200) Dual Channel Kit System Memory - Retail
HD - Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 ST3200822A 200GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 Hard Drive - OEM
OS - WinXP Home OEM
Total Price (w/o shipping) - $1,911
Really excited about this rig, but was lookin for some feedback from some of you hardcore hardware gurus before I go through with it. Just glancing at the specs, any red flags go up?
This is my first AMD based system, thus still kinda jittery about going with it, but from what I've read, the AMD 4000+ San Diego is a nice chip.
Didn't Jenni get one for her new rig? If ya see this post, hows it workin out for you?
Also, would somebody care to explain AMDs processor speed conversion for me? Never quite understood it fully.
The processor is listed as having a core speed of 2.4GHZ, but from what I've read its equivalent to a 3 GHZ P4....so ehrm, how does that work?
Would really appreciate any feedback you guys could give, as I haven't built a comp. fully before, and its been four years since my last one, so would hate to make a stupid mistake as far as hardware selection goes.
As far as the Motherboard, and Powersupply go : picked em cause I wanna have the option of trying out SLI a few months down the line when I got more cash. Looks like a nifty feature.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
i9-9900k, MSI MPG-Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, eVGA GTX 1080 DT, Samsung 970 EVO Plus nVME 1TB
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| Posted: Mon, 23rd May 2005 23:59 Post subject: |
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looks like a very nice system.
good powersupply hehe.
just w8 for jenni's reply because she had some problems with her rig. 
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 00:10 Post subject: |
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Thats a very nice set up Immunity. You've chosen well.
Nice big PSU to bring that beast to life. The motherboard choice is nice too. A great board from what I've been told and perfect for a new builder with less experience.
Bad choice in hard drive though. Bin that and get a Sata. Much better for raid system if you ever decide to get another drive. They are slightly harder to set up to boot, but it is worth it.
As Skid said. I'm having no end of problems with my system right now. I bought memory which isn't 100% okay with my DFI Lan Party. Just another week before I get them back.
Are you getting that built for you or are you taking the plunge yourself?
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 00:18 Post subject: |
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Well, a buddy of mine that builds em is doin it for me. Hopefully, he knows his shit
As far as the harddrive goes, I really needed to keep the cost under 2k, and it seemed like a good choice at the time. Reviews on it didn't seem too bad.
Wasn't planning to do a RAID setup as I haven't really looked into those at all.
Is it a huge performance boost as far as gaming goes, worth the extra money?
Appreciate the replies guys
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
i9-9900k, MSI MPG-Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, eVGA GTX 1080 DT, Samsung 970 EVO Plus nVME 1TB
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 07:26 Post subject: |
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The price difference between sata and ide is not great. Nor is the preformance. But that small difference can improve gaming. Take counterstrike for instance. Ever missed the pistol round? You won't with sata. Well actually you may on occasion. But if you had raid, then you'll never miss the first round again.
On top of all this you have no jumpers on sata and one of the best things for me is the much more efficient wires. Sata drive cables are less than 50% of the bulk an IDE cable is.
You're not needing a 36/74gb 10000 speed drive. 7400 rpm will do.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 07:35 Post subject: |
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AMD conversion is easy.
If it says 4000 then even though it's not ghz it is the intel equivalent, so p4 4000.
At least that used to be the case.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 07:47 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 07:52 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | AMD conversion is easy.
If it says 4000 then even though it's not ghz it is the intel equivalent, so p4 4000.
At least that used to be the case. |
Ehrm, so what you meant to say is AMD 4000 = 4 ghz Pentium.
AMD 3200 = 3.2 GHZ Pentium etc etc correct?
Ah I see. So simple...yet so....abstract. 
Thanks for the valuable info regarding sata/raid as well.
| whoKnows wrote: | | You are totally wrong here Jenni |
DOH. I give up then on trying to figure it out heh. Ill just hope, like a damned newbie, that the damn thing is fast. Perhaps one day this mystery shall be unravelled and someone will post an equivelency chart.
Now my problems will be threefold however:
1. Convincing the ever economical/tightarse parents of my oh so wise and planned out purchasing decision. Cash isn't the problem, they are very unsupportive of my hardware purchasing though. I catch shit for weeks on end. This one will probably have me sleeping outside for a month.
2. Waiting for the damned thing to get here.
3. Waiting for the end all, be all, second coming of christ: Battlefield 2.
The urge is growing daily, pretty soon I won't be able to contain it! 
Hopefully I'll be able to crank the details on it, and (sadly for the first time in gaming career), enjoy AA+AF to some degree without stutter smoothness. Here's to hoping anyway.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
i9-9900k, MSI MPG-Z390 Gaming Pro Carbon, 32GB DDR4 @ 3000, eVGA GTX 1080 DT, Samsung 970 EVO Plus nVME 1TB
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 08:15 Post subject: |
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I just checked the official mobo manufacturer site and became aware of a potential problem. It states (under supported memory):
• Supports dual channel DDR 266/333/400, using four 184-pin DDR DIMMs.
• Supports the memory size up to 4GB
• Supports 2.5v DDR SDRAM DIMM
My current memory selection checks out on points 1 and 2, but it is 2.6 volts (not 2.5 as stated). Will this totally fuck me over? Should I go with another pair that is identical in every aspect but has 2.5v instead?
Let me just link you the two direct products:
My current choice: http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820145486
Should I go with the following instead:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.asp?Item=N82E16820145575
Differences:
2.6 v has CAS 3 whereas 2.5 v has CAS 2
The timing is not listed on 2.5v, but is on the 2.6v choice.
Also, the official mobo link: http://www.msicomputer.com/product/p_spec.asp?model=K8N_Neo4_Platinum/SLI&class=mb
Basically, if I go with my CURRENT selection, am I running into risk of problems. Is the 2.6v guarenteed to cause problems on a board specced for 2.5v ram?
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 08:51 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | | Jenni wrote: | AMD conversion is easy.
If it says 4000 then even though it's not ghz it is the intel equivalent, so p4 4000.
At least that used to be the case. |
You are totally wrong here Jenni 
The official word from AMD is that this rating is based on the first Athlon series, so you can compare it to the fiist series, because the frist models with these ratings had a lower clock rate as older models AMD was forced to do that. So 4000+ meant to be compared to the first Athlon series. (Thats the official meaning to it ) |
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 09:02 Post subject: |
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I would follow the mobo's directions to the letter.
Better to be safe than sorry.
Yes I'm waiting for the second coming too. I know that with my new system it won't crucify my system.
Good luck convincing your parents. I know I've not told my hubby yet.
Got this email yesterday:
The following poducts are on this rma, if there are any discrepancies please contact Overclockers as soon as possible by phone on 0871 *** ****
MY-039-CS Corsair 2GB DDR XMS3200PT TwinX (2x1GB) (MY-039-CS) x 1
CP-120-AM AMD Athlon 64 4000+ San Diego 90nm (Socket 939) - Retail (ADA4000BNBOX) (CP-120-AM) x 1
MB-011-DF DFI LanParty NF4 SLI-DR (Socket 939) PCI-Express Motherboard (MB-011-DF) x 1
Regards,
Overclockers UK - Returns
It had better work
Edit!
Just got off the phone to them. The memory was faulty. Gonna have a working pc tommorow.
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Jenni
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 11:31 Post subject: |
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WOOHOO!!!
My parts have just arrived. Gotta love Amtrak. They told me on the phone that they would be here tommorow.
I'll do a bit of housework then get it running.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 18:02 Post subject: |
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Regarding the memory: DDR400 ram (184pin) usually has a voltage of 2,6v. Maybe it was a typo. Doesn't MSI has a list of memory modules and brandnames on their site with wich they have tested the board. Intel and Asus do have them.
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 18:59 Post subject: |
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| Jenni wrote: | | The price difference between sata and ide is not great. Nor is the preformance. But that small difference can improve gaming. Take counterstrike for instance. Ever missed the pistol round? You won't with sata. Well actually you may on occasion. But if you had raid, then you'll never miss the first round again. |
 you really think the downloading of security files onto a normal HD makes a difference? I have a maxtor 7200rpm and i'm usually the first one to connect. If you find it takes more than 2 seconds on steam try changing the connection speed  on topic.... good PC i cant wait till i can start pricing mine up |
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| Posted: Tue, 24th May 2005 21:33 Post subject: |
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| whoKnows wrote: | | Regarding the memory: DDR400 ram (184pin) usually has a voltage of 2,6v. Maybe it was a typo. Doesn't MSI has a list of memory modules and brandnames on their site with wich they have tested the board. Intel and Asus do have them. |
Yes and no.
It lists the BRANDS it supports, but no particular models etc.
It has some listings on the Corsair site, but nothing with my particular motherboard.
Guess I'll go with the 2.5 to be safe.
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005 09:26 Post subject: |
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| Sublime wrote: |
you really think the downloading of security files onto a normal HD makes a difference? I have a maxtor 7200rpm and i'm usually the first one to connect. If you find it takes more than 2 seconds on steam try changing the connection speed on topic.... good PC i cant wait till i can start pricing mine up |
Sublime. The longer it takes the map to load the less chance you have of getting onto the pistol round.
As for Corsair memory, my motherboard needs to run them with 2.8v and a cas timing of 3.0 |
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| Posted: Wed, 25th May 2005 09:56 Post subject: |
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 17:18 Post subject: |
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Had to post, couldn't contain myself
Ordered parts this morning, should get em in Tues. or Wed. Oh joy, oh rapture!
Went with 2 120mm fans + Sleeve System Exhaust blower for cooling. I know, its not much, but couldn't afford to go with those uber effective yet insanely expensive water cooling solutions heh.
Given that the entire side of the case is very open...hopefully heat won't be too big of a problem.
Now to pray for no freak accidents/incompatibilities heh.
I have finally found my happy place
I can never be free, because the shackles I wear can't be touched or be seen.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 18:27 Post subject: |
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I won't be upgrading my whole computer for a while, it's almost top of the range as it is.
I'll probably at least wait for the new wave of cards to come out.
"Techniclly speaking, Beta-Manboi didnt inject Burberry_Massi with Benz, he injected him with liquid that had air bubbles in it, which caused benz." - House M.D
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 18:42 Post subject: |
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Maybe some of you can offer me some suggestions. I'm not trying to break the bank here, so keep that in mind. Also, any suggestions for good 'bang for the buck' would be appreciated. I'm thinking of buying within 1-2 months. I'm upgrading for gaming, and I'm not a total graphics whore.
AMD® Athlon™ 64 - 3500 - 512K L2 Cache (Socket 939) [130nm Clawhammer] Retail Box $334.99
Enlight Mid Tower ATX Case w/ 7 Bays w/o Power Supply, Black $54.99
Enermax Noisetaker EG495P-VE SFMA 485W ATX 12V Ver 2.0 Power Supply (Retail Box) $89.99
Heat Sink and Fan included with CPU $0.01
MSI K8N Neo4 Platinum, Socket 939, nVIDIA® nForce4 Ultra Chipset w/ PCI Express x16 (ATX) $179.99
1Gb DDR SDRAM Ram Module, PC3200 $129.99
200GB Seagate Barracuda 7200.7 Plus ATA-100 7200RPM 8Mb 8.5ms OEM $134.99
Sapphire® Radeon™ X800Pro - Radeon™ X800Pro VPU w/256Mb GDDR3 & PCI Express x16 TVO $359.99
SoundBlaster® Audigy™ 2 ZS (Retail Box) $109.99
Pioneer DVR-109 Dual Layer DVD±R/RW Drive (IDE) OEM, Black $79.99
+ other bullshit
Price: $1554.26 CAN or $1225 USD
Some general questions...
how much should I spend on a heatsink and fan?
is name brand memory worth it, and what minumum speed should it be?
any real bottlenecks in this system?
is that a big enough power supply?
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 18:52 Post subject: |
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Sata drive I would get.
Gah I can't get bloody Yoda out of my head.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 21:38 Post subject: |
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Isn't the X800XL cheaper than the X800Pro nouseforaname? At least this is the case in Germany, i paid 295 euro for mine (retail, agp). As to the memory, go for a good brand name from a REAL ram maker like Samsung or Infineon, don't go for these overclocker ram crap, these ram are way out of any standard and you will not notice any differences during gaming.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 21:53 Post subject: |
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The X800XL is $435 (~275 euro), the X800Pro is $360 (~227 euro), and the X800 is $315 (~198 euro).
The RAM in the above cost was generic (or unspecified?) ram. The same place looks to only have that and Corsair or OCZ. The name brand stuff is like 150% of the price (or more). And is PC3200 fast enough?
All prices were from http://www.pccanada.com/quote.asp which is a pretty good computer store in my area.
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| Posted: Thu, 26th May 2005 22:28 Post subject: |
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Yes, PC3200 aka DDR400 is the fasted DDR speed certified by Jedec, so that's fine, the speeds Corsair and OCZ are offering are way out of standards and therefor cause only trouble.
That X800Pro is a good deal, you have to pay more for that over here.
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) and same HD but SATA and 120GB, and dual layer x12 dvd writer. Costed me 670 CY pounds but it is a good deal here...
