Nvidia ShadowPlay: H.264 video recorder with no fps drop
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consolitis
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 15:41    Post subject: Nvidia ShadowPlay: H.264 video recorder with no fps drop
nvidia's answer to PS4/XO's video capturing capability. Needs a Kepler GPU.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jasonevangelho/2013/05/23/nvidias-shadowplay-brings-effortless-gameplay-recording-to-the-pc-masses/

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Not content to let consoles have all the fun, NVIDIA has announced “ShadowPlay,” an upcoming game capture utility for their freely available GeForce Experience software.

ShadowPlay, planned for Summer 2013, constantly works in the background utilizing the H.264 encoder built into every Kepler GPU from NVIDIA to auto-record your last 20 minutes of gameplay. “But wait,” I hear you saying. “FRAPS has recorded my game footage for years.” While that’s true, the recording process comes with a noticeable hit to performance, something NVIDIA tells me isn’t a concern with ShadowPlay.

Moreover, FRAPS creates impossibly large video files. Set to comparative quality settings (30fps at 1080p), a 1 minute and 9 second clip of Borderlands 2 results in a 3.6GB file with FRAPS. Using ShadowPlay to record the same length of gameplay yields a file size of 238MB.

To break it down even further, ShadowPlay’s high quality setting — a 30Mbps video bitrate and 48Hz 16-bit audio — produces a 675MB video without audio, and 708MB with audio. It’s a manageable file size, already encoded and ready for sharing. Like GeForce Experience itself, NVIDIA is trying to remove the technology and just let PC gamers play.

First and most importantly, there are no hard limits for recording. If you want to record a marathon Conquest match in Battlefield 3, have at it.

Next I asked about video sharing: “There won’t be automatic sharing buttons in the initial release, but this is something we’re thinking about for version 2,” Daniel said. “In the meantime, GeForce customers can manually share the video files over whatever medium they choose (Facebook FB -0.43%, YouTube, Vimeo, etc.)”

During a recent hands-on demo for NVIDIA SHIELD, I noticed that Twitch.tv came pre-installed. My brain instantly started fantasizing about what ShadowPlay could bring to the table for e-sports, specifically broadcasting and commentary. Daniel said that “in the first release” only default game audio can be recorded. As for Twitch, what about the option to stream your live gameplay? “Not in the first release. This is a great idea for version 2 though!”


It's not going to meet the quality of eg Fraps, but if all you care is about uploading to youtube then it's a great step in the right direction and it's *free*.



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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 15:43    Post subject:
Not bad. Smile
(Though I have no experience or knowledge with video editing whatsoever.)
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 15:49    Post subject:
Fraps sucks. Try



Its WAY BETTER!

25 min recording at 60 fps, 1:1 quality - 10gb. GG Fraps.


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 15:50    Post subject:
Interesting.
Nvidia need to steep up their game if they want to stay on the surface, with both consoles having amd gpus.
And that seems like a good idea


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 17:25    Post subject:
Draps creates a lossless footage. That's often important. nVidia's h264 CUDA encoder has been shit for years. I think I'd still prefer lossless->AVS->very slow x264 encoder, thanks.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 17:46    Post subject:
I've stopped using Fraps and switched over to Afterburner since not only is it free, it has way more customisation options than Fraps.

Oh and it uses less resources than Fraps when recording video so your fps doesn't plummet as much.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:06    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
Draps creates a lossless footage. That's often important. nVidia's h264 CUDA encoder has been shit for years. I think I'd still prefer lossless->AVS->very slow x264 encoder, thanks.


I'd say that more often than not it's not Razz


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:13    Post subject:
warriormax wrote:
Fraps sucks. Try



Its WAY BETTER!

25 min recording at 60 fps, 1:1 quality - 10gb. GG Fraps.

no its not , it hooks up into your memory and turns any application into a network emitter ... like a spyware , posting what software you use or record ... if its not on the list it will not record and write software blocked ... oh and you have to be connected to online ALWAYS to record ... trail version or cracked all have to be connected always to net ... or your program will not start at all Laughing

http://dxtory.com/v2-home-en.html is the way to go




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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:15    Post subject:
DXTory anyone?


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:16    Post subject:
Aeon wrote:
DXTory anyone?
+1


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:35    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
Draps creates a lossless footage. That's often important. nVidia's h264 CUDA encoder has been shit for years. I think I'd still prefer lossless->AVS->very slow x264 encoder, thanks.


I'd say that more often than not it's not Razz

It is if you care about colors and quality. It is important if you want to make modifications before encoding. Taking an already encoded footage and editing it creates bad results.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:39    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
. oh and you have to be connected to online ALWAYS to record ... trail version or cracked all have to be connected always to net ... or your program will not start at all Laughing

Thats not true.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:42    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
consolitis wrote:
LeoNatan wrote:
Draps creates a lossless footage. That's often important. nVidia's h264 CUDA encoder has been shit for years. I think I'd still prefer lossless->AVS->very slow x264 encoder, thanks.


I'd say that more often than not it's not Razz

It is if you care about colors and quality. It is important if you want to make modifications before encoding. Taking an already encoded footage and editing it creates bad results.


"I'd say that more often than not it's not Razz"

Wink

If you care about all this then likely you don't care about a product whose function is to record in the background the last 20 minutes of your playthrough no matter what.

Very different needs.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 18:46    Post subject:
They present it as a Fraps alternative. What you said there is not the function of Fraps.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:01    Post subject:
LeoNatan wrote:
They present it as a Fraps alternative. What you said there is not the function of Fraps.


Actually I think they present it as the equivalent of the PS4/XO capture function.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:03    Post subject:
Forbes article didn't read like that, and it was obviously a PR "article" written exactly how nVidia wanted it to be written.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:12    Post subject:
Start of the article:

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With the Xbox One at least partially revealed, we know that both next-generation consoles from Sony and Microsoft will include built-in video recording features. A “Game DVR” as Microsoft calls it. Not content to let consoles have all the fun, NVIDIA has announced “ShadowPlay,” an upcoming game capture utility for their freely available GeForce Experience software.


Conclusion of the article:

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They’re making the PC their console, pushing the envelope further and faster than the traditional “Big Three” can. It took 8 years for Microsoft to evolve the Xbox. In less than 8 months, NVIDIA has launched GeForce Experience and is poised to offer effortless gameplay capture as a default — and free — experience available to all PC gamers.

Well, at least those PC gamers who make the investment in NVIDIA hardware.


In the middle part they compare it with FRAPS because it's the most well known video game capture utility.

But it's clear they want to present it as a "nvidia can do it as good as MSONY can!" solution.


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:15    Post subject:
And it's all bunch of bullshit as well. "pushing the envelope further and faster ... It took 8 years for Microsoft to evolve the Xbox. In less than 8 months" Laughing What a buch of PR bullshit. So they waited 8 years for "MSony" to think about something and stole it err sorry implemented it in 8 months. Amazing. Laughing PC gaeming at its best.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:23    Post subject:
How can you record a marathon BF3 session if it 'records your last 20 minutes of play' ? Confused
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 19:27    Post subject:
In another 8 years, when "MSony" "evolves" its software to record 2 hours, so will nVidia. In 8 months. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 20:03    Post subject:
Why only '20 minutes of gameplay', don't understand the limit, only if there is a 'pro' version which will cost money.
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 20:32    Post subject:
warriormax wrote:
Hfric wrote:
. oh and you have to be connected to online ALWAYS to record ... trail version or cracked all have to be connected always to net ... or your program will not start at all Laughing

Thats not true.
have you even used it , I have and it turns any window into a calling home device , checking if your license is ok , checking if this software can BE RECORDED if its not on the list it will block it with a pop-up Laughing

and if you block your connection or turn off your net this program will not start at ALL

next time check your facts


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 20:39    Post subject:
i love when people skip through stuff and then don't understand half of it Smile


it auto records last 20 minutes.

you can record a year and a half nonstop manually, if you like (took random number out of my ass).
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 20:47    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
warriormax wrote:
Fraps sucks. Try



Its WAY BETTER!

25 min recording at 60 fps, 1:1 quality - 10gb. GG Fraps.

no its not , it hooks up into your memory and turns any application into a network emitter ... like a spyware , posting what software you use or record ... if its not on the list it will not record and write software blocked ... oh and you have to be connected to online ALWAYS to record ... trail version or cracked all have to be connected always to net ... or your program will not start at all Laughing

http://dxtory.com/v2-home-en.html is the way to go

That's utter, utter bullshit. I've been using Mirillis Action for years now and I always block it's access to the internet, it always works fine here, nearly no fps loss anywhere.


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:10    Post subject:
dxtory + x264 encoder that i posted with the settings does very high quality encodes where i cant tell difference between it and uncompressed footage while having manageable file sizes. check out the thread .
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:13    Post subject:
Plus in DXTory you can set custom resolutions. I record in 1280x760, while my resolution is 1680x1050.


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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:18    Post subject:
Hfric wrote:
warriormax wrote:
Hfric wrote:
. oh and you have to be connected to online ALWAYS to record ... trail version or cracked all have to be connected always to net ... or your program will not start at all Laughing

Thats not true.
have you even used it , I have and it turns any window into a calling home device , checking if your license is ok , checking if this software can BE RECORDED if its not on the list it will block it with a pop-up Laughing

and if you block your connection or turn off your net this program will not start at ALL

next time check your facts


Yes I have it and I use it every day.. I recently did a Metro LL Playthrough with it and two days I had problems with my internet and everything was ok. Its something on your side. Actually this is the first time when I read that my connection MUST be always on for Action! to work.

I never heard about that software whitelisting either. Can you give me an example for software thats blocked by Action! ?
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:19    Post subject:
Dxtory is not free nor is it performance hit free.

It's like someone asks you "sooo should I use paint.net or gimp to edit this picture into a nice wallpaper" and you guys respond "what's this weak shit, son, you need to get the latest Photoshop" Laughing


TWIN PEAKS is "something of a miracle."
"...like nothing else on television."
"a phenomenon."
"A tangled tale of sex, violence, power, junk food..."
"Like Nothing On Earth"

~ WHAT THEY'RE TRYING TO SAY CAN ONLY BE SEEN ~

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHTUOgYNRzY
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:21    Post subject:
consolitis wrote:
Dxtory is not free nor is it performance hit free.

It's like someone asks you "sooo should I use paint.net or gimp to edit this picture into a nice wallpaper" and you guys respond "what's this weak shit, son, you need to get the latest Photoshop" Laughing

What's the problem, they are all free? Confused


This sounds as ridiculous to me as "I like Linux much better because it's free" while pirating Windows. Price considerations while on a piracy board. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri, 24th May 2013 21:25    Post subject:
i dont notice any performance hit on dxtory.
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